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bgrishinko Grand Master

bgrishinko

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I think I could

give it away

But I dont think I would

It must have been given to me for

more reasons than to sing, I hope.

I dont truely abhor

this restriction upon me

although frustrating at times

its not a total pity

I like being silly.

 

Good times. You are a kind soul to not want to inflict this on others.

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aemonkristen Mentor

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If no one feels like putting more pressure on Kwon, I move to pressure BG. He seems to have pinged everyone's scumdar. For the record, I think that was kind of a weak half reveal, Kwon. "protecting her in my own way, but I don't have a protective power, but it can be used that way". No sure what that was all about really.

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Re-reading I am less and less convinced as I once was about Aemon. I'll be honest, I was VERY suspicious of the early Dragon call. It got heated. I also have been upset at the quote that Aemon attributed to me of "I'll believe you if you admit you are lying," since I never said that. What I had originally had proposed was for Aemon to renounce his claim as Dragon. Even people who truly believed they were dragon could renounce the claim without being a liar, and re-pronounce later on. As we progressed, I realized I was over zealous and retracted my vote and was then immediately attacked by David pretty strongly. I found it interesting that as soon as I retracted from voting for Aemon I got blasted by David when moments before he almost seemed to be supporting me (see posts #300 - #330ish). Seems like he was upset I changed my vote. I do not say this to show my own character, but to show how David responded when votes left Aemon.

Therefore, as previously one of Aemon's greater enemies, I now have begun to trust in him more. After my review in the past few hours, I am no longer leery of Aemon.

@Song, as far as who I am suspicious of at this time, something still bothers me about blackhoof's posts.He rambles, shifts subjects often, and his logic seems flawed... and uses WAY too many smiley faces.

So, in the hopes of moving this day along: VOTE BLACKHOOF

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So....I just posted and then it disappeared. WTH! Apologies to people if it shows up twice, but it's not showing up on my page.

 

Here's my post -

 

Sweetness! Be'lal AND Fain gone in one day and night!

 

Now to catch up. *mumbles about work and home life being too busy* It's like people don't get that I need to have play time online! Anyway...

 

Sorry ahead of time for the wall of text, but I'm trying to catch up from today!

 

Verbal: How would it be at all safe to gift seals to one person? That would be like painting a target on someone for a 3 for 1 deal or some such, very dangerous, even if we think the person is safe from all kills. I get the concept, but I don't see it being likely.

 

Definitely need to keep the seals safe, but I have to agree with AJ here. Putting all our eggs in one basket – so to speak – is like asking for something to happen to that person. I've never played a game where there is absolutely no chance that they can be killed in some way, and in a game like this with thieving and gifting, I feel even more wary about that.

 

Did I miss where Red explained why her alignment would raise questions if lynched?

Mynd:

as for the possability of a gambit, i'm not surprised someone hasn't calledthis before. but when i get killed,please don't let my allignement clear him.

 

Say whaaaat? Are you admitting to being scum Red? I don'tunderstand how your alignment would clear him if not.

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I’m doing nothing of the sort. Lannie has claimed me and Aemon are running aGambit and I’m not wanting my innocent alignment to benefit him in any way.

 

When I flip innocent, Aemon will quickly change his tuneabout being the true Dragon and claim being a False Dragon that was forced toproclaim to receive a power. He willsurely say that we’re two innocent people arguing and that it was just amisunderstanding. And he will lean onthe fact that he has claimed a finder power to dissuade any votes against him(much like he is already doing)

 

Not that I want to go back to the Dragon Reborn discussion right now, I do have to admit that I thought this was a well thought out and reasoned argument:

 

As I was thinking through Trenches item another thought occurred to me. I know we have beaten, Aemon The Dragon Reborn, to death but I wanted to bring this thought up. Mazrim Taim is first referenced in TGH but actually makes in appearance, and a lot, in LoC. It isn't until the end of KoD that he says, "Let the Lord of Chaos Rule," and reveals himself as darkfriend but that doesn't mean he wasn't sowing chaos way before that. Starting in book 6 or possibly before. We actually know he was. Looking back through all of the posts Aemon was 100% on one thing. He is the DR, and what that caused was chaos. We stopped talking about Song and her questionable intentions early on. He was on the bandwagon to lynch David, but I can't remember right now how many were on there when he jumped on. Finding out that David was scum made me think of two things. One, if he was a darkfriend he would have known David was and jumped on when it was determined that David was going down but I believe he was already on David prior to that. So that leaves me with my second thought. People have brought up before that there could be multiple groups at play other then us townies. There could be more then one mafia group, and reading up on that wiki Wombat sent, thank you by the way good sir, there could be cults I believe as well. So my conclusion is this, and I apologize for writing a novel like Red ;-) j/k, that it seems possible that Aemon is

a) skum with david and jumped on when it was sure David was going down (Not likely as I said above).

b) There is more then one mafia and he is in that (possible I believe from the rules and size of group).

c) Possible cult, which you could say The Black Tower had its factions within. (again possible from the rules I read and size of this group).

 

I do know one thing. Day one was chaos and Aemon was at the center of it. Let me know what you guys think and if I wasn't clear I will try and be more articulate in the future as I get the hang of this.

 

Taim always has been in the background sowing discord, even if we don't meet him until LoC.

 

I'm torn though, to think as others have mentioned that Aemon might be Logain. It would explain his vehemence about being the Dragon Reborn but Red's vehemence against him being so.

 

 

Upon going through the reread (oy!) I think that Bg is still pretty scummy with his posts.

First Day - So much going on. I agree that despite all the talky talky that while people are building defenses and alliances, as well as point fingers, it is still somewhat random until we see the consequences of the night. I maintain my early vote despite the rampant Unvoting of day one.

 

Maintaining a vote on someone 'just because' and calling out people for unvoting when the mod had announced that a lot of people hadn't checked in yet seems kinda fishy to me.

 

If I had to say someone was acting suspicious, I'd say it is our local poet. His unique style of posting makes him someone that we like to hear from and we look forward to his posts, it is a clever tactic to keep people from voting for him. That being said, this doesn't mean he is a Darkfriend at all, could just be a smart citizen Andor looking out for himself any way he can.

 

Using Darkfriend for the first time in the game. As Tigs and Verb suggested after, possible slip up?

 

If I had to say someone was acting suspicious, I'd say it is our local poet. His unique style of posting makes him someone that we like to hear from and we look forward to his posts, it is a clever tactic to keep people from voting for him. That being said, this doesn't mean he is a Darkfriend at all, could just be a smart citizen Andor looking out for himself any way he can.

 

 

This termanology kinda struck me...Nobody has referred to scum as darkfriends even though it is WoT Mafia. Maybe a term in the message from the mod?

 

Totally agree here. Freudian slip, perhaps?

 

Vote: bgrishinko

 

What is this Mafia thing you speak of? I've never heard of such a group. Do you mean the Whitecloaks? It seems there is talk of a Dragon about. That is dangerous talk.

 

UNVOTE;

Vote: *Scribbles the Dragon's Fang on AEMON's house*dragon_fang_bw.gif

 

Goes after Aemon here. Granted, Aemon was taking a lot of heat at the time, but voting for someone claiming to be the Dragon Reborn – especially after Aemon revealed more information which caused others to back off – seems very untown.

 

Aemon: Denounce yourself and you gain my trust.

 

Um...this is just confusing. Denouncing would probably lead to a lynch, so why would anyone do that to 'gain the trust' of one person?

 

Aemon: Denounce yourself and you gain my trust.

 

I assume you are referring to this. I will not renounce because I truly am the Dagon Reborn. And your "I'll believe you if you admit you are lying" play is really making me scratch my head. How is that in any way a logical progression of thought?

 

That's what I thought. But his response kinds of explains it.

 

Defended by David here. The response did not explain it at all, at least in my book.

 

I will not renounce because I truly am the Dagon Reborn. And your "I'll believe you if you admit you are lying" play is really making me scratch my head. How is that in any way a logical progression of thought?

 

I don't claim that you are lying unless you are indeed Dark. My guess is that you don't know that you are a False Dragon, as Logain did not know. I would hope that you would realize that before you get hurt. I don't want to lynch you if you are the Dragon Reborn. But if you are truly the Dragon Reborn, there should be signs of your coming. ;) Take Callandor, talk to me in my Dreams in TAR, Channel for crying out loud, do something besides say "Trust Me!" You should be all sorts of powerful/knowledgeable if you are the DR. (I realize that most of things aren't really possible in this game I think, but you must have some something to go off of)

 

 

What? Then why would he say that he wasn't tDR???? Also, totally hinting at reveals which we can't do...and which Red got in trouble for later.

 

You are under the assumption that the only ways to obtain info are being the Dragon or claiming finder. That isn't really true. In any case, if I came out and claimed Dragon at this time, how would that make me look on the heels of Aemon claiming and my mistrust of him? Also that would make me dead meat for the Darkfriends at this time.

 

Also, I have never said a word that I did not believe to be true though it may have made my life easier if I had, and I regret having said too much.

 

Confused at the bolded statement. That's almost like claiming anyway. Are you trying to claim without saying it outright?

 

You know Aemon, despite my earlier suspicions of you (I still don't fully trust why you wouldn't have waited another day or 3 before revealing) You have been decidedly less scummy to me than both Red and David.

 

You do seem to pretty open about your role without a ton of manipulating other people's opinions. I'm still not entirely sure what to make out of your claim, but for now... You have my support on account of you seem to walk in the Light more than those who are trying to lynch you.

 

I am willing to admit my early prejudices, I am not one to ignore new information as it comes forth.

 

Don't really know what to think of this post, since Red we're pretty sure is super town and David was scum. Could be really rethinking, could be distancing self from the argument since it's been made clear from others that lynching a claimed Dragon is bad news bears.

 

After my reread, here are the players I am most suspicious of:

Red- for obvious reasons

Trench- David spent quite a bit of time complimenting his poetry and how it "had the ring of truth" to it. David's "distraction" from the Song discussion did not look like a distraction to me, but more like trying to clear a teammate. I heard someone ask the question (can't remember who at the moment) What would the mafia gain by faking such a PR? and it just jumped out at me. He said it comes from his item. What if the scum have an item they do not want to lose? What better way to keep it than to make sure no one wants it?

BG- Crazy posts. "tell me you are lying and I will trust you". I don't know what kind of scum you are, but I'm betting you are not on David's team.

I'm getting the same opposing scum vibes from Alanna and AJ, but I really have nothing to back those feelings up with right now.

 

I find it interesting that everyone who puts themselves out there for any reason other to analyze the situation starts to look scummy. Of course these are the people you are most suspicious of; they are the ones that talk the most.

 

And as for this that was posted while I was making this argument (arg!)

Re-reading I am less and less convinced as I once was about Aemon. I'll be honest, I was VERY suspicious of the early Dragon call. It got heated. I also have been upset at the quote that Aemon attributed to me of "I'll believe you if you admit you are lying," since I never said that. What I had originally had proposed was for Aemon to renounce his claim as Dragon. Even people who truly believed they were dragon could renounce the claim without being a liar, and re-pronounce later on. As we progressed, I realized I was over zealous and retracted my vote and was then immediately attacked by David pretty strongly. I found it interesting that as soon as I retracted from voting for Aemon I got blasted by David when moments before he almost seemed to be supporting me (see posts #300 - #330ish). Seems like he was upset I changed my vote. I do not say this to show my own character, but to show how David responded when votes left Aemon.

Therefore, as previously one of Aemon's greater enemies, I now have begun to trust in him more. After my review in the past few hours, I am no longer leery of Aemon.

@Song, as far as who I am suspicious of at this time, something still bothers me about blackhoof's posts.He rambles, shifts subjects often, and his logic seems flawed... and uses WAY too many smiley faces.

So, in the hopes of moving this day along: VOTE BLACKHOOF

 

I can see how someone could change their mind after all of the information has been presented and after a few kills have happened. However, it seems to me like you could be trying to distance yourself from your earlier actions. I also really don't understand this quote, “What I had originally had proposed was for Aemon to renounce his claim as Dragon. Even people who truly believed they were dragon could renounce the claim without being a liar, and re-pronounce later on.” How could he do that without looking suspicious?

 

Anyway. Those are enough thoughts for now. I should have been in bed over an hour ago. Hopefully I'll have a chance to get on at work tomorrow so I don't have to have a wall next time.

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Well I assume since we only had one nk, that possibly one of the four was a kill and one might be a save. I'm just speculating here of course, since I don't know anyones actual actions, but 4 seems a huge number for one target. Not all of them would be good IMO.

 

 

I would assume finder, protector (if they believed her), ect... was it 4 other than you or 4 including you?

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Blackhoof Grand Master

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im glad ur here too dark mistress of Shayol Ghul! :biggrin: together we shall find whoever did this to you and slay them! :baalzamon:

 

but seriously, from my understanding i would assume that she was targeted by

 

-finder

-protector

-NK'er (probably 2nd mafia one, assuming they have a second one, or possible third party other than fain)

-watcher (ie. song if she is telling the truth, and not guessing)

-roleblocker??? if someone was particularly inattentive and didnt realise that she was roleless.

-some other role im not aware of

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hate to say this but thanks scum for taking out the SK. those guys can be pesky later on and it's one less killer we have to worry about.

 

also, Virt, you bring up good points. i think if we do have 2 scum groups, then we're likely looking at the Whitecloaks & Forsaken. atleast those two make the most sense to me as Mafia Groups. i'm unsure why group would make sense as a Cult though. we've also got the Senchan intorduced as a major threat in the first 6 books ... and there are the Red Ajah as well as the Black. Red's aren't necessarily bad, but it depends on if they try to still the true Dragon when he proclaims himself.

 

 

also, Mynd. there is no possability that you are the true Dragon, because you are not Rand AlThor. withdraw your claim, especially since your only doing it for the reaction factor; it only allows more confusion and there for a nice playground for scum to hide under. a False Dragon is nothing to play around with, and if my weaves of air could reach you, i'd swat your bottom good; you shouldn't be off your mothers apron strings, acting like that.

 

 

I'm also interested in Mynd, because he was being suspiciously inactive, until someone pointed it out, and all of a sudden he is active... That is very odd, and yes I am metagaming this opinion.

 

^^ this

 

 

We shall not forget the fun that Red and friends had earlier in this game.

 

yeah, having my NA resricted for the night & my super cool item taken away was real fun Mynd :dry:

 

 

As for Red, I would also love to see arguments as to why Aemon cannot be the Dragon Reborn. Right now, the best evidence we have for your claim is David's support of Aemon's claim, which can be interpreted as either scummy support or a ploy to take down a potential real Dragon if he was busted. The ambiguity makes this argument nearly moot. Is there anything more that you can add after last night in order to support your claims?

 

i have said this 4 times now, and will not be repeating myself again. if i spent all my time repeating myself, i'd never get anything acomplished.

 

i have information that leads me to know that neither Aemon nor Mynd can be Rand AlThor. i have been told i cannot reveal this information unless i wish to be MKd. once i am killed, for i dont expect to survive long in this game due to me being such a threat to the Forsaken, my character alone shall reveal to you why i would know this and other important information.

 

 

 

Well I assume since we only had one nk, that possibly one of the four was a kill and one might be a save. I'm just speculating here of course, since I don't know anyones actual actions, but 4 seems a huge number for one target. Not all of them would be good IMO.

 

 

i agree. 1 NK (even with the SK being gone) seems a bit too small for a game this size.

 

my thoughts on powers that might have visited me would be

 

- NK

- Healer of some sort

- maybe a few cops of some sort.

 

 

Song, did Aemon target me?? i'd be curious to know why he didn't if this is the case. i would think if he had a finder ability, i would be the first person he'd veiw.

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Before I forget to do this yet again, unvote Adella. A joke vote on the second day is both a bit immature and unhelpful, and I shouldn't have done it.

 

Why the vote for Aemon, Curt?

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Red, Aemon is telling the truth he didn't target you last night.

 

 

Also Curt why the vote on Aemon? It's usually not a good idea to vote without any reasoning what so ever.

Actually I read her last statement wrong,it seemed like she was stating she targeted another who walks in the light. After looking at it again I think she walks the light as well

unVOTE aemonkristen

I am unsure who to vote now

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I'll tel you right now that I didn't target you Red. I figured either you or I would be dead in the morning and we'd have alignment. I targeted someone else who, I now know, walks in the light.

 

i can sort of buy that, its a smart choice as a finder to try and target someone who you don't think will draw the NK that way you don't waste you NA.

 

but at the same time, i still don't believe you. if your scum (which my gut says you are) you'd have a good idea as to who is town and who isn't; Aust pointed this out before. i'm not asking you to name names on who you veiwed, you'd just be putting a target on their back. but i'm taking your findings with a grain of salt.

 

 

Also Curt why the vote on Aemon? It's usually not a good idea to vote without any reasoning what so ever.

 

is it too much to hope that Nae was one of those that targetted me? that way atleast one of the people who targeted me can be eliminated.

 

 

also, i 2nd Song on this Curt. especailly when theres so much info out there to make your own opinion on the subject. this makes you look scummy.

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