Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[WWWwombat]

Siuan Sanche paced in the Heart of the Stone. She had to protect the Dragon Reborn. She couldn't do that if he didn't let her. It felt like she was sailing the Fingers of the Dragon at night. She needed more information. But first, she needed sleep. Just as Siuan resolved to return to her quarters, a fireball flew past her. Siuan channeled flows of air and spirit to bind and shield her attacker, but the weaves rebounded on her as if something had snapped them. Siuan stood there startled as a shield slammed itself between her and the True Source.

 

"Ah. The Amyrlin Seat. But a child nonetheless. Now you die."

 

Siuan burst into flames.

 

 

MCS, Siuan Sanche, Jailkeeper (town), has been nightkilled.

 

It is now Day 11. You have until Monday at 5 PM ET to lynch someone.

[WWWwombat]

With 14 remaining, it takes 8 to lynch.

[killuliu]

Hmm... Seems I was wrong of MCS' claim.. So now we are mainly waiting for Mynd aren't we? We want to hear what happened and what is his opinion of yesterday...

[DrewRiley]

Just posting this for ease of use. Remaining players:

 

5. Alanna

11. Tiinker

13. Ahmoondah

14. Verbal

16. Adella

17. Mynd

18. Song 2.0

20. drewoftherushes

22. Virtuhall

23. Quibby

26. bgrishinko

31. killuliu

32. Talya

37. Nyn

 

Let's say we started with 7 scum, 1 symp, 1 survivor, 1 SK, and 27 town roles. That means we have three more scum to catch. We may have started with 6 or 8 scum as well, which means we have 2-4 scum to catch.

[Moon Sedai]

My first order of buisness today- Mynd, are you still being quiet?

[bgrishinko]

BG would also like to hear from Mynd.

[DrewRiley]

There probably isn't a restriction on silencing someone more than once, so mafia may have finally figured out that if Mynd is silenced he can't tell us what he's found, and he can't gift his item so someone else can use it. Sucks for him. That, or Mynd is scum and we get into WIFOM. I hope he speaks, but for now I don't see a need to vote for him.

[Moon Sedai]

Take 3:

Townies

Ahmoondah 2.0 [You guys all know who I am by now.]

"Mason team"

Adella, BG, Tayla [Dream messages says there is "Now a fourth"]

Fourth Mason- DId we get a confirmation or confession of this role?

 

who else has been 'proven' town ? [My suspicions here could be wrong, this is just based off observation].

Verbal was a (theoretical) compulsion victim.

drewoftherushes miller?

Quibby (message giver?) The message he claims to have sent me as key sounds familiar. (post #2140)

mcs-- claims Jailor Does this seem like a weird NK to you guys as well?

 

Mynd (role blocker?). Most likely, Mynd was silenced yesterday.

I also think Mynd has the double-vote item [see my previous posts]..

If he's been slineced again, it could be that the Mafia fears his double-vote item because mynd was "on to them."

I'm still relatively sure Mynd is not mafia, so I'm not going to move him into my unsure category.

 

Previously Inactives:

Tiinker- busdriver, Replacement for Kwom. Still unsure, since Kwom was so inactive for so long. If he is a Busdriver, he could be pro-town, the Mafia wiki calls it a pro-town role.

Csarmi [could be town, could be scum, replaced an inactive].

Alanna- slowly starting to be active again.

Others/unsure.

Song 2.0- Voted vs Play3r early, targeted by play3r

killuliu- Refused to vote, basically said "Bring on the Random Lynch"

Nyn-

 

Drew, you seem to think that there are 2-4 scum left to catch. I have 3 unsures because of relative inactivity [or newness] and 3 that are on my unsure list. My reccomendation would be to go after one of those 3 on my unsure list.

THOUGHTS?

[Myndrunner]

A burst of fireworks startles the remaining players....then, the being known as Myndrunner the Great emerges from a cloud of smoke. Whoever he may be in this game, he is still the Gleeman with the Mostess on Dragonmount....and the Kid of Chaos deserves to make an epic return!

 

 

Finally, the Kid of Chaos is back in the game! It must have been quite the lark for the mafia to have kept me muzzled like this, or perhaps that bubble of evil had its disadvantages. Either way, muted as I was, you cannot blind the eyes of he who sees ALL!

 

I was surprised at the turnaround on MCS. I quite thought him scum for a good while and perhaps the mafia did us a favor in keeping me muted for I would have surely suggested his lynch. But....we have bigger fish to fry....

 

First off, being silenced also prevented items from being the victim of thievery! Yes, I do indeed have the double vote item and I hold it proudly. As long as it remains in the town’s hands, we cannot fret over the Dark One having this kind of advantage!

Secondly, while I mostly felt MCS to be scum, that all changed when Piano was revealed as a Symp. The glorious thing about SYMPS is that while the mafia do not know their identity and treat them like town, the SYMP knows who is mafia and who isn’t and isn’t likely to quickly support a Mafioso lynch. The scum likely saw what I saw and that Piano’s lynch essentially made MCS a confirmed innocent. (Re-readers will take note of his votes). MCS became a confirmed innocent with a power too threatening to the mafia to keep in play. Unless the text was just for show, it seems MCS protected the Dragon Reborn last night, thus also power blocking him.

Thirdly, ask yourselves this question. What is the nature of an inactive mafia player? One who is busy with her other affairs on DM only to swoop in and vote when summoned by her mafia peers? And then feel the need to explain why she had to vote such? Using the age old excuse of “offline issues making it difficult” Is this so? Is Alanna so hindered from online access that she was unable to post in the other areas of DM that she is quite active in? Including the Black Ajah mafia game that she is modding?

I find it hard to accept that the one incidence that kept Alanna from posting was in this game here.

[hotpocket2006]

Just to point out, mafiascum wiki does not call the bus driver a pro town role, it says it can be used as both Anti town and pro town as found here: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bus_Driver

[Talya]

Of course they would get rid of MCS...his role was important to the town in protecting people. With him gone it's wide open.

 

I'm most suspicious of Kil and Song at the moment. But I would like to hear from Mynd...I would hope you can't silence people two days in a row, that isn't fair.

 

Ahhh...I see Mynd is back. Alanna is a reasonable vote.

[Myndrunner]

I agree with you Songs, and we musn't assume Kwom Assdrag (now Tink?) is town simply because he drives the cheese wagon.

 

Talya, are you going with your gut in this game? Should you or anyone be nervous about what I now know?

 

The question on everybody's mind is "Did Myndrunner visit the Snakes again?" I will shed more light on that in a bit, but right now, Alanna should be our primary focus.

 

Drew, care to play us a tune on your lute? I've often admired your music, but perhaps the mafia would not. A Forsaken working FOR the town? Hey, you made it this far, which is more than I can say for your WoT counterpart.

 

Kill, I do not consider your unvoting and leaving the lynch noose to chance as scummy in your case, although it was the smart thing to get a majority lynch. After all, like you know more than anyone, sometimes you gotta toss the dice. It is indeed a good thing that you are still around to keep the Moon shining bright and the Dragon Reborn alive.

 

Speaking of LIGHT, nothing annoys me more than those misguided Children of Light. Children is a grand term for them, isn't it? Because no matter how convincing their so called inquisitors can be, they have the intellect of children. NO, I shall NOT be drinking the Kool-Aid of this Xenu-Worshiping...oh whats the word....rhymes with CULT I believe.

 

Songs was quite sure of MCS flipping innocent, she stopped the bandwagon on him essentially. How could she be so sure of his innocence unless she be mafia herself? I agree now looking back that the bandwagon formed hastily, but why did she know to stop it? On the other hand, if she were mafia, why would she stop it at all?

 

Ya know, upon the last visit, I never asked the snakes if more than one N player was mafia. Interesting. I learned my lesson though. When you ask better questions, you get much much better responses. Its all semantics with those serpents.

 

Ah yes, but our first order of business. Alanna. What to make of the stealth voter who shows up only when summoned by her mafia peers? Ready with excuses without accusers. Active everywhere else but somehow prevented internet access enough to explain her hasty votes.

 

Shall I be the first then? So be it!

 

Alanna

[Myndrunner]

"Mason" team

Adella, BG, Tayla [Dream messages says there is "Now a fourth"]

Fourth Mason- DId we get a confirmation or confession of this role?

 

Ah yes, there is still this. While we are lynching Alanna to reduce the number of pesky mafia in this game, I would like to hear from BG and the gang on this item. Surely you see that it only serves the mafia to keep this matter quiet.

 

Is there a fourth member of your "group" now?

 

To borrow from Shylock Holmes, when you eliminate all who are innocent...whoever is left, no matter how pro-town they appear, must be scum.

[hotpocket2006]

I never said he was innocent, I was just worried about how fast the wagon built up and the reasons that people were voting for him. I've never played a game where mcs was scum so it was purely metagaming on my part, but in my mind there was not enough evidence to lynch him. I was also the first one to vote player. And actually use some hard evidence, and not just jump on a wagon for the sake of it. I decided to actually use my brain.

[Talya]

I'm trying to go with my gut, and as far as I'm aware I or anyone I know should at all nervous of you.

 

So very interesting about Drew...so the mafia aren't happy then! But having that character around is to be expected...

 

And I understand what you are saying about Kil...off my list...

 

When did Song stop the bandwagon on MCs, because Me and Ahmoon took our votes off quite early? did she stop it after he had revealed or before...because if he revealed then it would have been prudent of her....I'll need to check.

 

Yes there are 4 of us now, but that person will have to come forward, it's not for me to say. I think at this time it would be good.

 

Lets just say that an Alanna lynch is fine by me.

[Talya]

MCS (7): Talya, Drew, Nyn, Player, BG, Killuliu, Ahmoondah

Player (2): Song, MCS

 

This was the vote before The unvoting started. Song di put her vote on Player. It didn't stop the lynch, because others came in after, but me and Ahmoon had taken ours off. So I have coded the ones we know. So what do mafia do, they sometimes spread the vote around....so Song could well be mafia. But my other question is...At this stage were there really no mafia on MCS? Player obviously (but they wouldn't have known about him. So this, to me makes Song and Nyn look not so good. 1 for keeping off the bandwagon adn the other going on the band wagon.

[Talya]

Okay then Quibby votes him.

 

Some things to note...Verb doesn't vote and neither does CS and yet they are both around at the time.

[Myndrunner]

"Whoa, bandwagon much?" said Songs, with her arms folded beneath her breasts in protest, as the mob closed in on MCS.

 

That's how it would read if this were the book and not a mafia game. I doubt that you are scum, Songs, because a real mafia player would not have made such a blatant stand. Prior unvoters or not, your post was quite against the bandwagon forming on MCS; and any bandwagon that forms that fast likely is riddled with scum. Not so much in this case it seems, but I see one!

 

Now is indeed the time for your fourth member of your gang to come forward.

 

I also agree with your breakdown, Talya. The mafia would not know that Player was a symp. Alanna would have no idea either.

 

Nyn, how do you feel about lynching Alanna?

[Alanna]

So if about 5 of you are okay with lynching me, why didn't you vote already?

 

Thirdly, ask yourselves this question. What is the nature of an inactive mafia player? One who is busy with her other affairs on DM only to swoop in and vote when summoned by her mafia peers? And then feel the need to explain why she had to vote such? Using the age old excuse of “offline issues making it difficult” Is this so? Is Alanna so hindered from online access that she was unable to post in the other areas of DM that she is quite active in? Including the Black Ajah mafia game that she is modding?

I find it hard to accept that the one incidence that kept Alanna from posting was in this game here.

 

Where the hell did I say offline issues were making it difficult for me? If you're talking about my vote on the lynch yesterday, you're blowing what I said way out of proportion, because I was only busy "offline" in that moment - I had just gotten up, my mom was asking me to do something, but the deadline was coming up in two minutes, so I voted quickly before going to help her. Then I came back on to actually try to contribute. I wish you'd make up your freakin' mind about whether you want me to just swoop in and vote, or actually try to contribute and be active, because that's why I was trying to do. Not enough for you? Sorry, I don't post walls of text like Red does, never have.

 

Yeah, I have been active elsewhere on DM, doing things I needed to get done, not things I was doing for the fun of it. Maybe I should've quit the game, but Wombat has had a lot of trouble trying to find replacements for this game, and since I was able to vote and post at least once a day, I figured I'd stay in.

 

So seriously, please, go ahead and lynch me, because apparently I'm not active enough to satisfy Mynd.

 

Oh, and why is the bolded part of the quote bolded? Because it made me laugh. Maybe I'll tell you why when the game is over.

[csarmi]

Okay then Quibby votes him.

 

Some things to note...Verb doesn't vote and neither does CS and yet they are both around at the time.

 

I don't really understand. Who was I to vote, when, and why?

[csarmi]

I was quite inactive in the weekend (most of the time I didn't even have net access) and all I could manage was starting to get the feel of this game. I believe I did contribute to the discussion, however :)

There was no reason for me to jump on the MCS lynch (we were in no hurry) and I had absolutely no idea whom to vote.

MCS revealed his role anyway and I don't think it's a good idea to lynch someone who claims to be able to protect people.

Now as deadline was coming closer I did vote for Player (I still don't have a good reason to do so except that he had the most votes).

[Myndrunner]

For ease of reference...

 

OKay, sorry for the quick run-in. I knew the deadline was coming up so I voted real quick, but I couldn't stay on right away because my mom needed me to do something and was getting quite peeved with me about it LOL.

 

Based off my own reasoning for voting Player, I would agree with BG that this lynch built up so fast because MCS's lynch fell apart at the last minute, due to his reveal. I don't really feel one way or another about Player, though it would be nice if he happened to be mafia.

 

Vote Nae

 

Look at everyone coming out of the woodwork to vote!

 

Pssst.....Alanna, don't worry, this isn't Twitter, you can type more than 140 words!

We're not on Twitter? *iz confused*

 

Sorry for my, erm, laconic-ness lately. I became the new Aiel SG last week, and since we hadn't had an SG for about 3 months, I had a lot to catch up on and do. I actually still have a lot to do, but since I got most of the major stuff done, I feel like I can relax a little more now. So I'll try to get back into this game and be more active. I have completely kept up with reading the thread, though.

 

Honestly, between Nae and Nyn, I was kind of leaning more towards Nyn until Nae folded. I've honestly never seen Nae play this inactively, so I wasn't sure what to make of her until then. I still wasn't sure that meant she's mafia, only that she doesn't care to play anymore. If what Mynd says about her folding when she's going down as scum is true, though, then I feel okay about it, I guess.

 

So, that's that.

 

Let's hear from Nyn on her thoughts of an Alanna lynch.

[Nynaeve]

Nyn, how do you feel about lynching Alanna?

 

Hard to say. I would follow my gut.... but apparently my gut sucks. I was SO sure about mcs that it bugs me now. Do you have anything additional that might hint at her being scum, besides her lack of activity? Because mcs was quite inactive as well till now... and it wasn't much of an indicative, it would seem :/

 

 

And just to clarify something, I wasn't 'jumping on a bandwagon'. I've been pointing out mcs' apparent scumminess since the previous day, with his reactions to the N tip that Mynd offered. So I knew all to well he was going to be the one I voted the day after. I was obviously way off and there isn't much I can do to remedy that... but I just wanted to make a point of explaining this.

 

 

 

Nyn

[Myndrunner]

It's not just her lack of activity here. A scum hunter would see what I mean. Alanna's only activity had been to cast her vote. TWICE now. Once when Nae was ready to commit game-a-cide and the second with Piano. Your reluctance to vote for her combined with your failure to see why she deserves it does not surprise me in the least.

 

I'd like to hear from Verbal now. Does the Ewok agree or disagree with a lynch on Alanna?

 

...and Talya, who would you MOST NOT agree with a lynch on at this time? You can name multiple names of course, including the one that "found" you without revealing them to be the fourth member of your team.

[Alanna]

From Mynd: (didn't feel like finding the individual posts to actually quote)

And then feel the need to explain why she had to vote such? Using the age old excuse of “offline issues making it difficult” Is this so? Is Alanna so hindered from online access that she was unable to post in the other areas of DM that she is quite active in? Including the Black Ajah mafia game that she is modding?

I find it hard to accept that the one incidence that kept Alanna from posting was in this game here.

 

From me:

Sorry for my, erm, laconic-ness lately. I became the new Aiel SG last week, and since we hadn't had an SG for about 3 months, I had a lot to catch up on and do. I actually still have a lot to do, but since I got most of the major stuff done, I feel like I can relax a little more now. So I'll try to get back into this game and be more active. I have completely kept up with reading the thread, though.

 

OKay, sorry for the quick run-in. I knew the deadline was coming up so I voted real quick, but I couldn't stay on right away because my mom needed me to do something and was getting quite peeved with me about it LOL.

 

This is what I'm saying: You're making it sound like I've been "inactive" because I supposedly said that "offline issues" were keeping me from getting online. Then you're saying that that obviously isn't true, because you've seen active elsewhere on DM. You're saying that I've been lying about why I haven't been "active" and that is what's pissing me off.

 

Understand, this isn't about me defending my innocence in this game; I don't even care about that anymore. But I hate that you're implying that I've lied about being able to get online in order to, what, hide my scumminess or something. Lying about being able to get online, or lying about being busy, even in a mafia game, is despicable, because sometime people really have RL issues and they should be able to say so without getting attacked for it.

 

In fact, as you'll notice by the second quote up there, what has kept me busy over the past few weeks has nothing to do with "offline issues," it has to do with the other thing you've noted - that I've been busy elsewhere on DM. The "offline issue" was a one-time, five-minute deal that only applied to yesterday's voting.

 

For the record, you've never played with me before, Mynd, and again, I don't say this to try and defend myself in this game because frankly, there's nothing more annoying than a player trying to use the defense of 'Well that's just my playstyle!' (Because if you don't already know what my "playstyle" is, then I could be lying, so there's no point in saying that to defend your innocence in a game). I only say this because I'm sick of being called inactive in this game. My activity in this game has been down a little bit lately, yes, but otherwise, how I've played in this game is how I always play. I lurk, as a playstyle, not because I'm not commited to or don't care about the game. I've checked into this game thread probably 5 times a day for as long as we've been playing, I just don't post every time I do. I've voted, I've sent in my night action, every night, without fail. That's why I didn't just drop out of the game.

 

Anyhow, I'm sorry about the ranting, but I've been wanting to say that for a while now, and now that I've said it, I think I'm calmed down enough that I can go elsewhere and get some work done. Go ahead and lynch me. Seriously.