Toughest of the Tough

[Puck]

All this talk of weapons and blademasters...

 

What I want to know is who would win if it came down just bare hands.

 

I'll stand open to correction but in Randland people are very fond of their weapons and I think only really the Aiel have anything like a formalised approach to hand to hand fighting. Not quite to the level of our own martial arts but certainly far more than the rest of Randland whose default setting for weaponless fighting is 'brawl'.

Rhuarc would win hand-to-hand for sure.

 

I would put Lan as second to Rhuarc then Avi, and Im sure Perrin is fierce with his wolfish hands.

[capuga]

All this talk of weapons and blademasters...

 

What I want to know is who would win if it came down just bare hands.

 

I'll stand open to correction but in Randland people are very fond of their weapons and I think only really the Aiel have anything like a formalised approach to hand to hand fighting. Not quite to the level of our own martial arts but certainly far more than the rest of Randland whose default setting for weaponless fighting is 'brawl'.

Rhuarc would win hand-to-hand for sure.

 

I would put Lan as second to Rhuarc then Avi, and Im sure Perrin is fierce with his wolfish hands.

 

Avi would not stand a chance in a hand to hand fight with most of the males in the series. We don't have any indication that she is even the best amongst the Maidens and the physical strength/size difference between her and any of the tough males would be too much to overcome despite the fact that she would have much more skill then them.

[DigDatDyler]

Furyk Karede?

[cgk84]

All this talk of weapons and blademasters...

 

What I want to know is who would win if it came down just bare hands.

 

I'll stand open to correction but in Randland people are very fond of their weapons and I think only really the Aiel have anything like a formalised approach to hand to hand fighting. Not quite to the level of our own martial arts but certainly far more than the rest of Randland whose default setting for weaponless fighting is 'brawl'.

Rhuarc would win hand-to-hand for sure.

 

I would put Lan as second to Rhuarc then Avi, and Im sure Perrin is fierce with his wolfish hands.

 

Avi would not stand a chance in a hand to hand fight with most of the males in the series. We don't have any indication that she is even the best amongst the Maidens and the physical strength/size difference between her and any of the tough males would be too much to overcome despite the fact that she would have much more skill then them.

 

Why exactly would she have much more skill than them?

[Arc]

*cough cough*... Once upon a time some guys were bickering over who was the toughest fighter with bare hands, a blade or a stave. Then a fellah called Hartha came along and swooped his axe around making them all quitte a bit shorter. -

 

 

 

 

seriously though,

How many in Randland could go toe to toe with the Gholum and come out ahead? I think only Mat.

Maybe that is cause Mat only had the medallion remember? in simple singel combat(no OP, no bloodknive rings or luck) anyone who battled the thing would end up dead IMO

 

I know everyone likes Mat, but seriously, He isn't that good. In a 1vs1 duel (Lan,Galad,...)skill outweighs (Mat)luck. certainly if the duration of the fight increases. Mat might have the experience from a lot of death people, so he knows everything there is to know about spear/ashandarei-fighting (spelling?). So? I think Lan knows everything there is to know about swordfighting, and it's all out of he's own experience. and I don't think Gawyn or Galad are as stupid as to be fooled again by the 'peasant with a stick'-trick.

[capuga]

All this talk of weapons and blademasters...

 

What I want to know is who would win if it came down just bare hands.

 

I'll stand open to correction but in Randland people are very fond of their weapons and I think only really the Aiel have anything like a formalised approach to hand to hand fighting. Not quite to the level of our own martial arts but certainly far more than the rest of Randland whose default setting for weaponless fighting is 'brawl'.

Rhuarc would win hand-to-hand for sure.

 

I would put Lan as second to Rhuarc then Avi, and Im sure Perrin is fierce with his wolfish hands.

 

Avi would not stand a chance in a hand to hand fight with most of the males in the series. We don't have any indication that she is even the best amongst the Maidens and the physical strength/size difference between her and any of the tough males would be too much to overcome despite the fact that she would have much more skill then them.

 

Why exactly would she have much more skill than them?

 

I'm refering to the non-Aiel (and Rand who trains with them) such as Mat, Perrin, Galad, and Gawyn who appear to have very little hand-to-hand training. I believe Avi would be more skilled then them because the Aiel train in bare hand fighting but she would still lose a hand-to-hand fight with them because of the size/strength advantage the guys would have.

[Arc]

All this talk of weapons and blademasters...

 

What I want to know is who would win if it came down just bare hands.

 

I'll stand open to correction but in Randland people are very fond of their weapons and I think only really the Aiel have anything like a formalised approach to hand to hand fighting. Not quite to the level of our own martial arts but certainly far more than the rest of Randland whose default setting for weaponless fighting is 'brawl'.

Rhuarc would win hand-to-hand for sure.

 

I would put Lan as second to Rhuarc then Avi, and Im sure Perrin is fierce with his wolfish hands.

 

Avi would not stand a chance in a hand to hand fight with most of the males in the series. We don't have any indication that she is even the best amongst the Maidens and the physical strength/size difference between her and any of the tough males would be too much to overcome despite the fact that she would have much more skill then them.

 

Why exactly would she have much more skill than them?

 

I'm refering to the non-Aiel (and Rand who trains with them) such as Mat, Perrin, Galad, and Gawyn who appear to have very little hand-to-hand training. I believe Avi would be more skilled then them because the Aiel train in bare hand fighting but she would still lose a hand-to-hand fight with them because of the size/strength advantage the guys would have.

 

If you say Avi has a chance, then certainly Tuon as well (trained from childhood to defend herself). Just saying -

[Xader]

*cough cough*... Once upon a time some guys were bickering over who was the toughest fighter with bare hands, a blade or a stave. Then a fellah called Hartha came along and swooped his axe around making them all quitte a bit shorter. -

 

lol.

 

When the discussion turned toward hand-to-hand, my first thought was "Hartha FTW!".

[capuga]

All this talk of weapons and blademasters...

 

What I want to know is who would win if it came down just bare hands.

 

I'll stand open to correction but in Randland people are very fond of their weapons and I think only really the Aiel have anything like a formalised approach to hand to hand fighting. Not quite to the level of our own martial arts but certainly far more than the rest of Randland whose default setting for weaponless fighting is 'brawl'.

Rhuarc would win hand-to-hand for sure.

 

I would put Lan as second to Rhuarc then Avi, and Im sure Perrin is fierce with his wolfish hands.

 

Avi would not stand a chance in a hand to hand fight with most of the males in the series. We don't have any indication that she is even the best amongst the Maidens and the physical strength/size difference between her and any of the tough males would be too much to overcome despite the fact that she would have much more skill then them.

 

Why exactly would she have much more skill than them?

 

I'm refering to the non-Aiel (and Rand who trains with them) such as Mat, Perrin, Galad, and Gawyn who appear to have very little hand-to-hand training. I believe Avi would be more skilled then them because the Aiel train in bare hand fighting but she would still lose a hand-to-hand fight with them because of the size/strength advantage the guys would have.

 

If you say Avi has a chance, then certainly Tuon as well (trained from childhood to defend herself). Just saying -

 

Actually I'm saying that she doesn't stand a chance against the guys because of their physical advantages. I believe Avi (and probably Tuon) would be more skilled then the men but unable to beat them in a hand-to-hand fight. Particularly Tuon since she is sooo tiny. At least Avi is a sizable, strong woman.

[Arc]

I need to ask this, I'm already pondering on it since his death, but how good was Aram? I never saw him mentioned anywhere where swordfighting was concerned, and I'm already checking forums for years.

Basically the only thing Aram did was training and playing Perrins shadow, and he did it for months, a whole year I think. This combined with his overeagerness(+total lack of fear) for fightning should make him quitte lethal.

He also fought and survived the two rivers attack, Dumais wells and Malden. each time trowing himself in the heath of battle. Shame he got killed by two arrows, if he wasn't he would have killed Perrin.

He was always described as very quick and gracefull(probably his Tinker-dancer skills).

Ok his probably not even near Lan, but I should think he could give Sleete, Perrin, Mat, maybe Galad or Gawyn a hard time.

[capuga]

I need to ask this, I'm already pondering on it since his death, but how good was Aram? I never saw him mentioned anywhere where swordfighting was concerned, and I'm already checking forums for years.

Basically the only thing Aram did was training and playing Perrins shadow, and he did it for months, a whole year I think. This combined with his overeagerness(+total lack of fear) for fightning should make him quitte lethal.

He also fought and survived the two rivers attack, Dumais wells and Malden. each time trowing himself in the heath of battle. Shame he got killed by two arrows, if he wasn't he would have killed Perrin.

He was always described as very quick and gracefull(probably his Tinker-dancer skills).

Ok his probably not even near Lan, but I should think he could give Sleete, Perrin, Mat, maybe Galad or Gawyn a hard time.

 

I always pictured him just a shade under that elite class - Lan, Rand, Galad, and Gawyn. Probably right on the edge of blademaster status.

[David Selig]

I need to ask this, I'm already pondering on it since his death, but how good was Aram? I never saw him mentioned anywhere where swordfighting was concerned, and I'm already checking forums for years.

Basically the only thing Aram did was training and playing Perrins shadow, and he did it for months, a whole year I think. This combined with his overeagerness(+total lack of fear) for fightning should make him quitte lethal.

He also fought and survived the two rivers attack, Dumais wells and Malden. each time trowing himself in the heath of battle. Shame he got killed by two arrows, if he wasn't he would have killed Perrin.

He was always described as very quick and gracefull(probably his Tinker-dancer skills).

Ok his probably not even near Lan, but I should think he could give Sleete, Perrin, Mat, maybe Galad or Gawyn a hard time.

If there was any plausibility in the story, Aram should've been decent at best. He's only trained with a sword for about 6 months, before that he never touched a weapon and didn't have any kind of battle training. I don't care how eager he was to train, people like Lan, or even Galad and Gawyn. who are both talented and had trained their whole lives, should've been able to beat him with ease.

 

But this is fantasy and he somehow was able to kill Aiel with ease at Dumai's Wells after three months training, since he was on the side of the good guys back then. ;)

[Elan Tedronai]

in the wheel of time world nothing and i mean nothing can face the entity known as the gholam. Man to man. Pick a sword, quarterstaff or even the power and it won't make a difference one whit. The only question is how long can you scratch it before it grabs your throat and drinks your blood.

 

The gholam eats everyone for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Literally!

[cgk84]

in the wheel of time world nothing and i mean nothing can face the entity known as the gholam. Man to man. Pick a sword, quarterstaff or even the power and it won't make a difference one whit. The only question is how long can you scratch it before it grabs your throat and drinks your blood.

 

The gholam eats everyone for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Literally!

 

Would an Ogier like Hartha have the strength to physically rip him to pieces? Ogier strength has never really been quantified too much. I know Loial saved Rand from a Trolloc by almost ripping it's arms from it's shoulder sockets. But Loial is only a young lad really, barely finished Ogier puberty (I imagine...) and he's a scholar - never really done physical labour for a living to build up some muscle ala Perrin. An older ogier like Hartha who's soldiered for a lifetime would likely be much stronger.

 

 

Edit - spelling.

[mb]

From my dictionary::

adjective:

1 strong but pliant; that will bend, twist, etc without tearing or breaking

2 that will not cut or chew easily

3 strongly cohesive; glutinous; viscous; sticky

4a strong of physique; robust; hardy

4b displaying mental or moral firmness

5 hard to convince or influence; stubborn

6 practical and realistic rather than emotional or sentimental

7 overly aggressive; brutal or rough

8a very difficult; toilsome

8b vigorous or violent

9 unfavorable; bad

10 fine; excellent: a generalized term of approval

 

noun:

a tough person; thug

[yoshinobu]

Hand to hand combat? Chuck Norris. Really though, Rhuarc would win. He has the skill, the power, and he is not afraid to use it, lets be honest, he has it all. and as always, sorry for misspells

[plague fiend]

In my mind, it's between Lan and Matt. Lan's personality oozes death and his practice sessions, not to mention his fights, back this observation. Matt abilities, including fights, usually leave my mouth hanging open. Catching knives, disarming people without a thought, and who could forget his education of Galad and Gawyn, at the same time. If I remember correctly, Rand got pwned by the Noble man who was hanging with Padan Fain(CoS or PoD).

[Finnssss22]

In my mind, it's between Lan and Matt. Lan's personality oozes death and his practice sessions, not to mention his fights, back this observation. Matt abilities, including fights, usually leave my mouth hanging open. Catching knives, disarming people without a thought, and who could forget his education of Galad and Gawyn, at the same time. If I remember correctly, Rand got pwned by the Noble man who was hanging with Padan Fain(CoS or PoD).

 

He only got nailed by Toram Riatin because Rand turned his attention to the bubble of evil that appeared and Toram took advantage. Up till that point they were pretty evenly matched.

 

Lan later killed Toram 1v1 in WH but it wasn't completely one sided either, Lan definitely took some hits as well.

[mb]

In case anyone missed the definition, here it is again::

From my dictionary::

adjective:

1 strong but pliant; that will bend, twist, etc without tearing or breaking

2 that will not cut or chew easily

3 strongly cohesive; glutinous; viscous; sticky

4a strong of physique; robust; hardy

4b displaying mental or moral firmness

5 hard to convince or influence; stubborn

6 practical and realistic rather than emotional or sentimental

7 overly aggressive; brutal or rough

8a very difficult; toilsome

8b vigorous or violent

9 unfavorable; bad

10 fine; excellent: a generalized term of approval

 

noun:

a tough person; thug

[plague fiend]

In my mind, it's between Lan and Matt. Lan's personality oozes death and his practice sessions, not to mention his fights, back this observation. Matt abilities, including fights, usually leave my mouth hanging open. Catching knives, disarming people without a thought, and who could forget his education of Galad and Gawyn, at the same time. If I remember correctly, Rand got pwned by the Noble man who was hanging with Padan Fain(CoS or PoD).

 

He only got nailed by Toram Riatin because Rand turned his attention to the bubble of evil that appeared and Toram took advantage. Up till that point they were pretty evenly matched.

 

Lan later killed Toram 1v1 in WH but it wasn't completely one sided either, Lan definitely took some hits as well.

I was unsure if Rand "stared in amazement", but I suppose Toram could have been the only one not to react. I thought it strange that Rand would even consider anything else, other than destroying Mordeth, right then and there. Before the fight even happened. He knew how dangerous Mordeth is.

[Luckers]

One of my favourite lines in the series is the one about Lan and Rhuarc which goes something along the lines of "He wasn't sure which of the two men were more dangerous, but a mouse could starve on the difference".

 

Yup.

[mb]

I recall a thought about Lan & Rand like that from Perrin; when visiting Rand after the miasma situation/situations in Tear. Do not recall one about Lan & Rhuarc.

[Luckers]

I recall a thought about Lan & Rand like that from Perrin; when visiting Rand after the miasma situation/situations in Tear. Do not recall one about Lan & Rhuarc.

 

 

It was about Lan and Rhuarc, not Lan and Rand, but yes, that is where the thought is uttered.

[mb]

Misread the sentences before it.

 

The whole paragraph::

As always when they met, Lan's and Rhuarc's icy blue stares nearly struck sparks. A braided leather cord held Lan's dark hair, gray-streaked at the temples. His face looked to have been carved from rock, all hard planes and angles, and his sword rode his hip like part of his body. Perrin was not sure which of the two men was more deadly, but he thought a mouse could starve on the difference.

[Thor]

Perrin's judgement is totally irrelevent anyways.

 

Personally I think he can easily take on either of them. He would beat Mat with no problem.