Does anyone else get this feeling? Possible Spoilers......

[Dagon Thyne]

I have a feeling that the story is leading into a type of "Rand is the Creator in human form" type angle.....

 

I mean, when he returned to Arad Domain, it seemed to be that he simply willed the food on the ships to not be spoiled.....Some would say that it was simply him being Ta'veren, but I would go as far as saying that he changed reality.....Instead of him simply changing the odds of how much food was spoiled, he literally willed it so that the food left on the ship was fresh.

[KrisAnton]

The explanation for the food was in the same chapter. They had simply not opened the right casks of food and grain. This is what happens with a Ta'veren. Rand Al'Thor is NOT the creator nor is he an avatar of the creator. The food in those casks were unspoiled and the people had not bothered to open them.

[Dagon Thyne]

The explanation for the food was in the same chapter. They had simply not opened the right casks of food and grain. This is what happens with a Ta'veren. Rand Al'Thor is NOT the creator nor is he an avatar of the creator. The food in those casks were unspoiled and the people had not bothered to open them.

 

 

That is what Rand said was what happen......Rand has to be in a place for his Ta'veren abilities to have that type of effect......That is why you never heard of things like that happening in tear or Illian when he was in Tar Valon.....or anywhere else that was far enough away.....

 

I get the feeling that it was more than that......

[capuga]

I have a feeling that the story is leading into a type of "Rand is the Creator in human form" type angle.....

 

I mean, when he returned to Arad Domain, it seemed to be that he simply willed the food on the ships to not be spoiled.....Some would say that it was simply him being Ta'veren, but I would go as far as saying that he changed reality.....Instead of him simply changing the odds of how much food was spoiled, he literally willed it so that the food left on the ship was fresh.

 

This is his Fisher King properties. The land is one with the Dragon and all that. That is why you saw the food spoil immediately in Arad Doman when Rand was all Dark Rand. Now that he is Zen Rand the opposite is happening. Add in his ta'veren effects to let them find and open the unspoiled food and this makes sense without Rand having to become a god.

[Dagon Thyne]

I have a feeling that the story is leading into a type of "Rand is the Creator in human form" type angle.....

 

I mean, when he returned to Arad Domain, it seemed to be that he simply willed the food on the ships to not be spoiled.....Some would say that it was simply him being Ta'veren, but I would go as far as saying that he changed reality.....Instead of him simply changing the odds of how much food was spoiled, he literally willed it so that the food left on the ship was fresh.

 

This is his Fisher King properties. The land is one with the Dragon and all that. That is why you saw the food spoil immediately in Arad Doman when Rand was all Dark Rand. Now that he is Zen Rand the opposite is happening. Add in his ta'veren effects to let them find and open the unspoiled food and this makes sense without Rand having to become a god.

 

 

I had always assumed that the food spoilage was caused by the dark one's touch and not rand....the same with bug coming out of people's mouths and blight sickness on plants that are 10000 miles from the blight...I'm noty saying I am rigt...nor that I even consider this any more than idle speculation....

 

I just get the feeling that It was Rand literaly reversing the works of the Dark One.....that he has the power to undo the DO's evil.

[capuga]

I have a feeling that the story is leading into a type of "Rand is the Creator in human form" type angle.....

 

I mean, when he returned to Arad Domain, it seemed to be that he simply willed the food on the ships to not be spoiled.....Some would say that it was simply him being Ta'veren, but I would go as far as saying that he changed reality.....Instead of him simply changing the odds of how much food was spoiled, he literally willed it so that the food left on the ship was fresh.

 

This is his Fisher King properties. The land is one with the Dragon and all that. That is why you saw the food spoil immediately in Arad Doman when Rand was all Dark Rand. Now that he is Zen Rand the opposite is happening. Add in his ta'veren effects to let them find and open the unspoiled food and this makes sense without Rand having to become a god.

 

 

I had always assumed that the food spoilage was caused by the dark one's touch and not rand....the same with bug coming out of people's mouths and blight sickness on plants that are 10000 miles from the blight...I'm noty saying I am rigt...nor that I even consider this any more than idle speculation....

 

I just get the feeling that It was Rand literaly reversing the works of the Dark One.....that he has the power to undo the DO's evil.

 

Oh, its definitely the Dark One's touch that is the major cause of the food spoilage. But you see that grain in Arad Doman spoil immediately and completely as soon as Dark Rand decides to abandon the city. That happened because of Rand's Fisher King, the land is one with the Dragon, properties. The apples blooming in the first chapter as Rand walks by are also because he's the Fisher King.

[Dagon Thyne]

I have a feeling that the story is leading into a type of "Rand is the Creator in human form" type angle.....

 

I mean, when he returned to Arad Domain, it seemed to be that he simply willed the food on the ships to not be spoiled.....Some would say that it was simply him being Ta'veren, but I would go as far as saying that he changed reality.....Instead of him simply changing the odds of how much food was spoiled, he literally willed it so that the food left on the ship was fresh.

 

This is his Fisher King properties. The land is one with the Dragon and all that. That is why you saw the food spoil immediately in Arad Doman when Rand was all Dark Rand. Now that he is Zen Rand the opposite is happening. Add in his ta'veren effects to let them find and open the unspoiled food and this makes sense without Rand having to become a god.

 

 

I had always assumed that the food spoilage was caused by the dark one's touch and not rand....the same with bug coming out of people's mouths and blight sickness on plants that are 10000 miles from the blight...I'm noty saying I am rigt...nor that I even consider this any more than idle speculation....

 

I just get the feeling that It was Rand literaly reversing the works of the Dark One.....that he has the power to undo the DO's evil.

 

Oh, its definitely the Dark One's touch that is the major cause of the food spoilage. But you see that grain in Arad Doman spoil immediately and completely as soon as Dark Rand decides to abandon the city. That happened because of Rand's Fisher King, the land is one with the Dragon, properties. The apples blooming in the first chapter as Rand walks by are also because he's the Fisher King.

 

 

That actually helps prove my point......it is not his Ta'veren ability causing his....but his link to the world.....Ta'verens only cause the odds of something happening to one extreme or the other....with Ta'verens only what is possible will happen.....Rand causes apples trees to bloom right after every apple on them died and in speeds that go against the very laws of nature..........A taveren does not break the laws of Nature....only bends them.....So his changing reality is caused by something else...........and like I said it may be a link to the creator...He lives life to things that had been dead.....like bringing the apple tree back to life

[herid]

 

 

 

That actually helps prove my point......it is not his Ta'veren ability causing his....but his link to the world.....Ta'verens only cause the odds of something happening to one extreme or the other....with Ta'verens only what is possible will happen.....Rand causes apples trees to bloom right after every apple on them died and in speeds that go against the very laws of nature..........A taveren does not break the laws of Nature....only bends them.....So his changing reality is caused by something else...........and like I said it may be a link to the creator...He lives life to things that had been dead.....like bringing the apple tree back to life

I also wondered about this one. The scene with the apples can't really be explained by the ta'veren properties or even the Fisher King effect. is this one of the nine impossible things that Rand is supposed to do? It's really hard to judge what counts as impossible in the world of WoT.

[SuperFade]

I always figured it was like Schrodinger's Cat. The status of the grain could not be determined until the bags were opened. In the presence of Dark Rand, when opened they would all be spoiled. With Gandhi Rand, when opened they are all fine. It's like a super ta'veren effect that automatically makes the grain in unopened sacks good, because there's no way to tell unless you open them.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

i've felt that rand was being "foreshadowed" for deification from the moment the phrase "dragon reborn" was used. the biblical parallels throughout the whole series are difficult to ignore.

[haloun]

there are more than biblical parallels to rand, he has parallels in the Koran, the hindu scripts, the budhist scripts, every savior figure of any religion all has ties to rand. however on a different note, like i have stated in other threads, i think he is thinning the lines betweeb this world and T'A'R somehow, I dont think he will become deified. possibly demigod, but not full god.

[quick ben]

I have a feeling that the story is leading into a type of "Rand is the Creator in human form" type angle.....

 

I mean, when he returned to Arad Domain, it seemed to be that he simply willed the food on the ships to not be spoiled.....Some would say that it was simply him being Ta'veren, but I would go as far as saying that he changed reality.....Instead of him simply changing the odds of how much food was spoiled, he literally willed it so that the food left on the ship was fresh.

 

This is his Fisher King properties. The land is one with the Dragon and all that. That is why you saw the food spoil immediately in Arad Doman when Rand was all Dark Rand. Now that he is Zen Rand the opposite is happening. Add in his ta'veren effects to let them find and open the unspoiled food and this makes sense without Rand having to become a god.

 

 

I had always assumed that the food spoilage was caused by the dark one's touch and not rand....the same with bug coming out of people's mouths and blight sickness on plants that are 10000 miles from the blight...I'm noty saying I am rigt...nor that I even consider this any more than idle speculation....

 

I just get the feeling that It was Rand literaly reversing the works of the Dark One.....that he has the power to undo the DO's evil.

 

Oh, its definitely the Dark One's touch that is the major cause of the food spoilage. But you see that grain in Arad Doman spoil immediately and completely as soon as Dark Rand decides to abandon the city. That happened because of Rand's Fisher King, the land is one with the Dragon, properties. The apples blooming in the first chapter as Rand walks by are also because he's the Fisher King.

 

 

That actually helps prove my point......it is not his Ta'veren ability causing his....but his link to the world.....Ta'verens only cause the odds of something happening to one extreme or the other....with Ta'verens only what is possible will happen.....Rand causes apples trees to bloom right after every apple on them died and in speeds that go against the very laws of nature..........A taveren does not break the laws of Nature....only bends them.....So his changing reality is caused by something else...........and like I said it may be a link to the creator...He lives life to things that had been dead.....like bringing the apple tree back to life

 

But what about Perrin and Mat?? and their respective camps?

No food spoilage.. people couldn't believe that there wasn't any..

Taveren..?

[Sleeper]

I always figured it was like Schrodinger's Cat. The status of the grain could not be determined until the bags were opened. In the presence of Dark Rand, when opened they would all be spoiled. With Gandhi Rand, when opened they are all fine. It's like a super ta'veren effect that automatically makes the grain in unopened sacks good, because there's no way to tell unless you open them.

Exactly. Until the bags were opened the grain existed as being both spoiled and unspoiled, there was no way to determine. But since Zen Rand returned, they manifested as unspoiled grain.

 

That's always how I looked at it as well.

[Dagon Thyne]

I have a feeling that the story is leading into a type of "Rand is the Creator in human form" type angle.....

 

I mean, when he returned to Arad Domain, it seemed to be that he simply willed the food on the ships to not be spoiled.....Some would say that it was simply him being Ta'veren, but I would go as far as saying that he changed reality.....Instead of him simply changing the odds of how much food was spoiled, he literally willed it so that the food left on the ship was fresh.

 

This is his Fisher King properties. The land is one with the Dragon and all that. That is why you saw the food spoil immediately in Arad Doman when Rand was all Dark Rand. Now that he is Zen Rand the opposite is happening. Add in his ta'veren effects to let them find and open the unspoiled food and this makes sense without Rand having to become a god.

 

Food spoilage was a bad example because yes....if Rand is linked to the world then so is his abilityas a Ta'veren and so he could affect the entire world at once....just like it was with the whether (The cloud cover broke at the very point he gave up trying to be hard)

 

But there are other things that would be be effected by a Ta'veren. Suck as the apples growing in mere minutes which is against the laws of nature and thus would not be caused by a Ta'veren.

 

 

I had always assumed that the food spoilage was caused by the dark one's touch and not rand....the same with bug coming out of people's mouths and blight sickness on plants that are 10000 miles from the blight...I'm noty saying I am rigt...nor that I even consider this any more than idle speculation....

 

I just get the feeling that It was Rand literaly reversing the works of the Dark One.....that he has the power to undo the DO's evil.

 

Oh, its definitely the Dark One's touch that is the major cause of the food spoilage. But you see that grain in Arad Doman spoil immediately and completely as soon as Dark Rand decides to abandon the city. That happened because of Rand's Fisher King, the land is one with the Dragon, properties. The apples blooming in the first chapter as Rand walks by are also because he's the Fisher King.

 

 

That actually helps prove my point......it is not his Ta'veren ability causing his....but his link to the world.....Ta'verens only cause the odds of something happening to one extreme or the other....with Ta'verens only what is possible will happen.....Rand causes apples trees to bloom right after every apple on them died and in speeds that go against the very laws of nature..........A taveren does not break the laws of Nature....only bends them.....So his changing reality is caused by something else...........and like I said it may be a link to the creator...He lives life to things that had been dead.....like bringing the apple tree back to life

 

But what about Perrin and Mat?? and their respective camps?

No food spoilage.. people couldn't believe that there wasn't any..

Taveren..?

[Hyronimus]

Talking about Mat and Perrin, I think we need to remember what tav'aren actually are: a correcting device for the pattern. By their very nature they apose the damaging effects of the dark one, to twist those threads around them (and I mean the threads of reality not just those of people)in an unconcious effort to 'set things right'. In Rand we simply see a stronger form of this effect coupled with a self awarness and hefty dose of free will that allows for the possiblity that he can work against the pattern-he is a bit more of a spring loaded thing, set a release and hope he 'works'. As enlightened Rand we see evidence for this in the light that shields him from the madness ie. the dark one's taint. Course I could be of, and he may be gaining far more concious control of the pattern, perhapes to a point where he can manipulate it like the world of dreams hmmm now that would be a power WELL foreshadowed!