Moiraine

[rd2000]

Wasn't Noal a prisoner of Semi for a period of time?

 

Ba'alzamon brags to Rand that Jain Farstrider was his prisoner.

 

Didn't he brag that Jain was his puppet?

[Guest cwestervelt]

Wasn't Noal a prisoner of Semi for a period of time?

 

Ba'alzamon brags to Rand that Jain Farstrider was his prisoner.

 

Didn't he brag that Jain was his puppet?

 

A bit of both actually. He held Jain for a time and then, after Jain was pretty screwed up in the head Ba'alzamon sent him back with the "message" that the Dark One intended to blind the Eye of the World. Considering the story that they Ogier tell, Jain didn't even remember who he was anymore. He definitely wasn't a knowing or willing puppet.

[Ilyena]

If he doesn't know who he is, then why's he still remeber all of Jain's stories first hand? And why when asked, does he grumble that he was a cousin?

[mercurial67]

If he doesn't know who he is' date=' then why's he still remeber all of Jain's stories first hand? And why when asked, does he grumble that he was a cousin?[/quote']He acts like he has been remebering things here & there. I'm sure he would have been extremely messed up after being set loose. He has had enough time to start recovering though. In my opinion at least.

[Almearafan]

Rand: First disbelief, he'll test her somehow to prove who she is. Once he believes something emotional will break in him.

 

Nyn: Relief (her husband is suicidal due to the loss of Miss M after all)

 

Mat: Frustrated-Most likely Miss M will start bossing him around shortly after she thanks him for her rescue (don't get me wrong...I love Miss M)

 

Egwene: Won't know she's returned for a while, but once she does, she'll be hesitant (even as the Amyrlin of the newly mended tower) as to how to act with her...Miss M did start her initial training in the one power (if you don't count Nyn)

 

Min: Relief/amazement that she wasn't wrong after all.

 

Perrin: Not much reaction most likely. He hasn't had Miss M on his mind for quite some time I don't believe.

 

Lan: Won't understand why he still feels an emptiness even though she's still alive after all. (he'll be reminded that the loss of the bond is permanent unless reforged by Miss M) but he'll begain to mend emotionally before his bond is even able to be passed to Nyn.

 

Elaida: Rage

 

Siuan: Amazement and relief that she didn't send her childhood friend to her death.

 

Thom: Love on a level he had forgotten existed since the whole Morgase fiasco.

 

Cadsuane: Will re-appraise Miss M, and respect her a little. (not sure if they ever knew each other/met or not)

 

Miss M herself: Well thank the Light, and not a minute to soon either, there's plenty of work to do.

 

Most of the readers of the WOT:

ECSTATIC DELIGHT AT THE RETURN OF THE WOMAN THAT WE LEARNED EARLY ON WAS FULL OF SURPRISES, SECRETS, KNOWLEDGE, AND DETERMINATION NOT MATCHED BY MANY IN THIS SERIES.

 

Let me know if I left anyone out. Can't really think of anyone, but then I'm not as good at keeping up with all the characters as some of the posters to this board. I know some of the above is silly sounding...but I really do LOVE Moirane. She's my favorite after Nyn. A close 3rd is Egwene, but of course I know she gets VERY mixed reactions from people...LOL.

 

Peace to all.

[dragonlover]

Moiriane has met Cadsuane before in the prequel new spring, Moiriane didnt trust her, she thinks that she may be black Ajah

[loki redfern]

 

Min: Relief/amazement that she wasn't wrong after all.

 

isnt min kinda basing the fact that some of the things shes seen won't happen because that she thinks moraine can't be alive and she saw some thing where she had to help rand for him to win. I think she'll be more worried

[Sweet 666]

I thought they already decided who would go and aludra wasn't one of them? In mat's tent when thom gave him the note remember? 8)

[Almearafan]

 

Min: Relief/amazement that she wasn't wrong after all.

 

isnt min kinda basing the fact that some of the things shes seen won't happen because that she thinks moraine can't be alive and she saw some thing where she had to help rand for him to win. I think she'll be more worried

 

Very good point. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I think there will still be some relief that her ability didn't fail after all. But I think there will definately be some worry as well when I come from it at your angle.

 

Dragonlover....thanks for the clarification.

[Kadere]

They pretty much did, but nothing's set in stone. I personally don't think Aludra has any reason to go, so I don't think she will.

[Luckers]

lans suicidalism comes from the severing of the bond, its not just a sadness over the loss of his friend, its something he cant stop. IT may help that moiraine is in fact still alive, but that doesn't change the fact that he had his bond snapped, and will still feel those symptoms. Aditionally, i dont see egwene being hesitant around anyone anymore. She took suine in hand, and she will not hesitate around moiraine, though it will be harder to take her in hand because she probably wont want to be taken.

[Artemis]

almearafan:

Let me know if I left anyone out

 

Damn straight!!!

The Dark One: Oh shit! Im buggered , going back to my stincky prison...stupid woman....

[ronoc/booms]

of course, moiraine is coming back. silly question. she is after all,(to me personally) the very embodyment of aes sedai serenity.

 

p.s. O'Neill, stargate ROCKS!!!!! "that's O'Neill with two "L"s.

[sunking]

Yes she is definitly alive. 100% people. Min said she would be coming back. Im just curious about what cool new powers she will have when she comes back.

[Luckers]

My guess, none. I suspect she'll have been severed by the collapse of the doorway. She's needed just because of her innate awesomeness. Like seriously, she makes a dangerous enemy.

[rd2000]

I know a lot of you think Moiraine is one of the central characters to the story but at this point in the series, all she can add now is some closure to previous plot-lines.

 

 

Rand keeps a list of women he's killed or has caused the death's of in his head. Over and over we have been told that Moiraine is at the top of that list.

Her return will be part of the process to "strengthen, not harden" Rand that Cadsuane and Sorilea agreed on.

[prophetman]

Moiraine is THE best character, and the biggest problem with KOD was that she didnt return then. She'll be rescued by Mat, Thom, and Noal, and then she'll tell Rand to stop moping around. Oh, and also shell kick that stupid Cadsuane out of her advisor role, cause Moiraine plays like that.

 

In all seriousness, she has to be back, or ill cry myself to sleep every night for the rest of my life.

[Luckers]

Moiraine is in some ways more dangerous then Cadsuane, though i dont see Cads being kicked out by anyone. Moiraine will definitely have a larger part to play then simply solving some past plot points... while i agree that RJ doesn't grant any characters and super-human specialness, its in Moiraine nature to be near the centre of power, and influencing events almost as much as its in Cadsuanes. She wont be declared Queen of the Univers or anything, but you can be damn sure she'll get back in the game.

[Kadere]

I really think it all depends on what her wishes were, and what the price she agree to was. If the price was to simply stay put until Mat got there, then she could have made a lot of different wishs. One of these wishs could have been to be the most powerful Aes Sedai ever. Now, I admit that's kind of out of character, but since her return is one of the MAJOR points fans have been waiting for, one of her wishes had have been something major enough for her return to merit greatness.

[Luckers]

RJ wouldn't make her more powerful then Rand. That would be authorial suicide.

 

And your assuming that there were wishes, which i somewhat doubt given her entrance, she came with fire, and a woman bound to the shadow. I think it more likely that the Finns were pissed as all hell, specifically given that she broke the old agreements.

[Kadere]

She came with the ability to make fire, but she wasn't exactly whilding a torch. As for coming in with Lanfear, we don't know that she did. From what happened with the Aelfinn it seems very likely that Lanfear went to a seperate room and faced seperate Eelfinn. And there's nothing in the old agreements about not being allowed to come with a Forsaken, there probably should be, but there isn't.

 

No, I'm pretty sure she had to make some kind of wish or wishes, otherwise putting her with the Eelfinn is a bit of a let down. The point of the Eelfinn is to grant wishes, and if she doesn't get them that's kinda ludicrious. Maybe she's not as powerful as Rand (which I wouldn't see as being that bad since there are about a couple hundred or so people already more powerful then Rand) but she's got to have SOMETHING, otherwise it was all pretty worthless.

[Jackalyn]

I agree with most of you that It'll be Mat, Thom and Noal going to the tower. But, Knowing Oliver i think that he'll sneak along after. Remember Moraine Said that there was still a change that even if all three went there was still a chance that it would fail. It's possible that she just left some information out. Remember is is an Aes Sedai.

[Luckers]

Kadere, firstly Lanfere and Moiraine went in surrounded by flame. The ter'angreal blew up after them, specificaly in the form of the white light that is present on both sides of the door. Very likely it formed a fire on the other side that was just as badass as the one on this side, only without a male channeler to funnel the toxic fumes or remove the fire and spread it in the water of a river.

 

Additionally Lanfear and Moiraine went through together, grappling as it were. At least part of the blame for Lanfears presense will fall on Moiraine. And finally the Eelfinn do not live only to give things--one of the key themes in rJ's books is that no on is that simple. Aside from the fact that even if you keep inside the prescripts the Eelfin are inclined to cheat, when you come breaking two of the cardinal rules, they would have no reason to award you wishes... after all, that is not what they do, its just a function they chose after encountering people in the age of legends. For instance, would you, if you were a carpenter, build a chair for a women that came staggering through your door, lighting it on fire (which you hate and fear) and bringing a woman whose name you wont even let be mentioned. No, you'd call the cops and have 'em both arrested.

 

This isn't lotr, Moiraine isn't going to return more powerful then ever at the turn of the tide having been granted three wishes--after all, why wouldn't she just wish herself back to the real world.

[Kadere]

So they go in surrounded by flame, the flame goes out, they have nothing to make flame, they're not breaking the rule. Second, there is no rule about not bringing a Forsaken just fire, iron, and music. Third, there's no proof that they would have ended up in the same room. We don't know if the doors work that way. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that they wouldn't be in the same room, it's a magic door which could probably tell that two entities entered and two rooms are needed.

 

Moriaine knows from before she goes in that she's going to go in, and that Mat and Thom and someone else would have to come save her. She can't leave before that. Even if she could use a wish to free herself she would not because she knows she shouldn't. Certain things have to happen before she can come back, as she said in the letter.

 

Thus, she can use her wishes for things other then returning. Sure, things are never as simple as they appear, but the function of that part of the world is to grant wishes on the return of the subject. If she comes back the exact same Moriaine as she left, it would be a waste to have gotten rid of her in that way. If RJ is going to have something that cool, he's going to use it.

[TaeaDawn]

Got to agree with you on that Kadere. Something that cool has to be used well.

 

But something to add... If Morraine is getting wishes out of this do you really think she'd waste it on a way to get out?? Honestly, she went into this knowing what would happen to her. She took her chances. She's spent most of her life dedicated to finding and guiding the Dragon Reborn. She wouldn't waste her energy on anything less.

 

IMHO :P