Discuss Logain

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Is it possible that Logain is masquerading as an Asha'man in the BT already?

 

We've seen other characters using the One Power to change their appearance.

 

 

Perhaps he's the Asha'man mentioned that doesn't wish to discuss his past? Could he be suspect?

i'm pretty sure thats the owner of the manor in tear where rand and logain gets attacked

[blazetheearth]

Is it possible that Logain is masquerading as an Asha'man in the BT already?

 

We've seen other characters using the One Power to change their appearance.

 

 

Perhaps he's the Asha'man mentioned that doesn't wish to discuss his past? Could he be suspect?

i'm pretty sure thats the owner of the manor in tear where rand and logain gets attacked

 

Exactly, Emarin is Algarin, the noble whose house Rand and Co. was at during the big trolloc attack. After the attack Cads and Rand discuss how she knew Algarin, and it comes out that Algarin had a brother who could channel, named Emarin. Cads caputred him and took him to TV and he was gentled. Emarin lived for 10 years after the gentling. Algarin asked to be tested, and went to the BT. When he got there he took his dead brother's name.

[Haran]

Min has viewed numerous times that Logain carries an aura of a golden halo over his head indicating that he will one day attain great glory.

 

Also, Egwene once had a dream in which Logain steps over Rand's corpse, sits on a throne and laughs maniacally, while Rand's corpse collapses into leaves.

 

The first one is hard to predict other than to say that he must be important somehow in the next book.

The second foretelling though I understand to mean that he will step over the "paper figurehead" that is Rand as the leader of the black tower and then sit on the throne of the m'hael. The dream was a bit more extensive in the book, but I can't find it. Black stone was mentioned though.

So what is left to figure out is how this can come about as the two visions seen together must be related. How can Logain ascend to the throne? He steps over Rands corpse, does that also mean that he rejects Rands leadership? Surely he will fight in the last battle, but maybe he will do it as a “man” and not Rands weapon?

We haven’t seen Logain for quite some time. The last time we saw him he visited the Sea Folk, but surely he didn’t have to stay there and monitor them. The sea folk stick to their bargain. Logain would know this and after a quick series of instructions and threats he would have been able to run off. Where is he now? Logain sees himself as a leader. He, just like Eggy has a thirst for power. He is ambitious. They are both also fiercely loyal to their people. Would not Logain after having warned Rand about Taim without getting any help in return decide to return himself? It was first after DarthRand refused to help that Logain started to wear his own house pin. The 3 diamonds or whatever. I understand this to mean that Logain is trying to show the world who he is. He is an ashaman, a man that can channel. But he is also a nobleman, a man of responsibility, honor and of course ambition.

I believe that Logain has finally decided to act as nobleman, as a leader should. He will do what Rand ordered and then he will figure out how to save his people from Taim the darkfriend.

[Corvinus]

Actually the last time we saw Logain was in Altara. He was with Rand when he went to meet the Daughter of the Nine Moons and turned out to be Semirhage. So of course, the big question is where did he go right after that? Rand kept Traveling for a while but then moved to Arad Doman. Did Logain accompany him? Doubt it. I looked through TGS and Bashere went to speak to the Seanchen with Flinn this time, and not Logain. I said in another post that the Darkfriends in the BT tried to capture Logain but he escaped and went into hiding, probably in a stedding. That's my opinion at least.

[FarShainMael]

Logain was last seen just outside Ebou Dar, where Rand is returning the sul'dam and damane who were in Semi's party to the Seanchan. (TGS Prologue) With him also are Nynaeve, Cadsuane, and Merise. We know what the girls did after that, more or less; but not Logain.

[weccer]

Min has viewed numerous times that Logain carries an aura of a golden halo over his head indicating that he will one day attain great glory.

 

Also, Egwene once had a dream in which Logain steps over Rand's corpse, sits on a throne and laughs maniacally, while Rand's corpse collapses into leaves.

 

The first one is hard to predict other than to say that he must be important somehow in the next book.

The second foretelling though I understand to mean that he will step over the "paper figurehead" that is Rand as the leader of the black tower and then sit on the throne of the m'hael. The dream was a bit more extensive in the book, but I can't find it. Black stone was mentioned though.

So what is left to figure out is how this can come about as the two visions seen together must be related. How can Logain ascend to the throne? He steps over Rands corpse, does that also mean that he rejects Rands leadership? Surely he will fight in the last battle, but maybe he will do it as a “man” and not Rands weapon?

We haven’t seen Logain for quite some time. The last time we saw him he visited the Sea Folk, but surely he didn’t have to stay there and monitor them. The sea folk stick to their bargain. Logain would know this and after a quick series of instructions and threats he would have been able to run off. Where is he now? Logain sees himself as a leader. He, just like Eggy has a thirst for power. He is ambitious. They are both also fiercely loyal to their people. Would not Logain after having warned Rand about Taim without getting any help in return decide to return himself? It was first after DarthRand refused to help that Logain started to wear his own house pin. The 3 diamonds or whatever. I understand this to mean that Logain is trying to show the world who he is. He is an ashaman, a man that can channel. But he is also a nobleman, a man of responsibility, honor and of course ambition.

I believe that Logain has finally decided to act as nobleman, as a leader should. He will do what Rand ordered and then he will figure out how to save his people from Taim the darkfriend.

[weccer]

Perhaps Logain has remained with the Sea Folk and discovered a group of male channelers there that he will bring to battle Taim's faction. So that the Windfinders would be balanced out by a group of male channelers among the Sea Folk. Just a thought.

[Tom Sawyer]

Maybe he found some writings by Masema and he's taken them door-to-door in some city asking people if they've heard the Good News about Rand Al'Thor.

[Haran]

Perhaps Logain has remained with the Sea Folk and discovered a group of male channelers there that he will bring to battle Taim's faction. So that the Windfinders would be balanced out by a group of male channelers among the Sea Folk. Just a thought.

 

Rand did send Naeff or some other lojal ashaman with a message to Logain. Where did he send him? Thats right, to the black tower.

Rand at least thinks he is there.

[Thews Lerin]

In chapter "Working Leather" from Androl's POV, Logain left in the night, had been gone for weeks, took Donalo, Mezar and Welyn.

Then later, in "Something Wrong" Androl notes "something not-quite-alive" in Mezar's eyes, and he's described as "a shadow stuffed inside human skin." Tarna is also described similarly. Many posters think this is a sign of being converted to the shadow by the 13 x 13 process, though I don't know if there's proof of that.

 

So, it's likely that Mezar was converted either with Logain, or after returning for some reason. More likely after returning, since Tarna was converted too. OR - Logain never actually left, but was captured with the other 3 by Taim. That seems to me to be the most likely, considering that Mezar was made a full Asha'man, which Taim wouldn't do if he had left with Logain and returned as a messenger.

 

SO, like someone suggested earlier, the rest of them are being held and haven't been converted yet (I don't think we know how long it takes). Which will likely set up a rescue coordinated by Androl and "the plump Red."

[moratcorlm]

The Sea Folk theory seems quite far-fetched.

Logain never actually left, but was captured with the other 3 by Taim. That seems to me to be the most likely, considering that Mezar was made a full Asha'man, which Taim wouldn't do if he had left with Logain and returned as a messenger.

He did it to induce members of Logain's faction to voluntarily join his own. After being turned, of course, it wouldn't matter that he had been loyal to Logain.

When Mezar had returned a few days back—explaining that Logain was well and that all would soon be resolved with Taim—Androl had begun to hope that there was a way out of this mess. But something had seemed off about the man. Beyond that, the M'Hael had made a great show of accepting Mezar as a full Asha'man; the Dragon had raised him. And now Mezar—once fiercely loyal to Logain—was spending his time with Coteren and Taim's other lackeys.

 

[...] We've lost a good dozen to Taim's side in the last few weeks. Soon there won't be anyone left besides us here. I'm afraid to talk to half the men I used to trust.

"the plump Red."

Her name's Pevara.

[Haran]

In chapter "Working Leather" from Androl's POV, Logain left in the night, had been gone for weeks, took Donalo, Mezar and Welyn.

Then later, in "Something Wrong" Androl notes "something not-quite-alive" in Mezar's eyes, and he's described as "a shadow stuffed inside human skin." Tarna is also described similarly. Many posters think this is a sign of being converted to the shadow by the 13 x 13 process, though I don't know if there's proof of that.

 

So, it's likely that Mezar was converted either with Logain, or after returning for some reason. More likely after returning, since Tarna was converted too. OR - Logain never actually left, but was captured with the other 3 by Taim. That seems to me to be the most likely, considering that Mezar was made a full Asha'man, which Taim wouldn't do if he had left with Logain and returned as a messenger.

 

SO, like someone suggested earlier, the rest of them are being held and haven't been converted yet (I don't think we know how long it takes). Which will likely set up a rescue coordinated by Androl and "the plump Red."

 

Ah great. I missed that. Yeah this strenghtens the theory that Logain is held prisoner by Taim. I still think that Logain is the man who will sort out the Bt though, maybe with some help from Androl though.

Not sure about the whole 13x13 thing though, Compulsion seems to be used much more often.

 

btw. Branderson has said that all storylines except the one in the black tower at the end of ToM are at about the same level. Which means that we can expect something is about to happen in the black tower before the fields of Merillor / the Camelyn attack.

[Arc]

I guess this hasn't been said yet on this discussion, so i just throw it out to ya guys: i always thought that logains glory would come from defeating Demandred at the end, and doesn't necessarily got anything to do with BT. Mins viewing said Logain would laugh over a corpse very similar to Rands, and we all know that Demandred looked very similar to LTT in his days. An epic battle between those two would grant some glory for sure to the winner. it also suited the image i got from Logain: quite the kind o' guy who's very dedicated to his own ambition and glory. He likes to distinguish himself from others like Rand. He wants to be a power on his own, not a tool used by the true Dragon. So you should consider him making some very bold and possibly heroic actions (likely on his own, or at least in a leading possition)like killing a forsaken (with a lot of witnesses), or saving Rand at a given moment or something like that.

 

But ok, he always seemed very dedicated and concerned over the BT and Ashaman, or at least more than Rand was (but he was going quite mad at the time so that actualy doesn't say anything) so he'll likely play a major role in the final chapters of the BT plotline. .. and yeah like everybody expects him to become the next leader of the BT eventually. ..if the BT has a future ofcourse.

 

and I realy lolled at some comment made earlier here, about Logain who went to Seanchan to create some order there. Would be nice ofcourse, but not quite describable in one book i'd say.

 

And i don't think he got the time to go some place secret to build his own army, like some said above. where would that be? everywhere he would go every man who would possibly pick up a sword likely already did. and the lands have already recently been scoured for channelers. and like i said, i think his more like the 'i'll do it solo' guy.

 

just saying.

[moratcorlm]

Mins viewing said Logain would laugh over a corpse very similar to Rands, and we all know that Demandred looked very similar to LTT in his days.

We also know Rand looks nothing like Lews Therin: "physically, nothing is the same except your height."

[Thews Lerin]

The Sea Folk theory seems quite far-fetched.

Logain never actually left, but was captured with the other 3 by Taim. That seems to me to be the most likely, considering that Mezar was made a full Asha'man, which Taim wouldn't do if he had left with Logain and returned as a messenger.

He did it to induce members of Logain's faction to voluntarily join his own. After being turned, of course, it wouldn't matter that he had been loyal to Logain.

When Mezar had returned a few days back—explaining that Logain was well and that all would soon be resolved with Taim—Androl had begun to hope that there was a way out of this mess. But something had seemed off about the man. Beyond that, the M'Hael had made a great show of accepting Mezar as a full Asha'man; the Dragon had raised him. And now Mezar—once fiercely loyal to Logain—was spending his time with Coteren and Taim's other lackeys.

 

[...] We've lost a good dozen to Taim's side in the last few weeks. Soon there won't be anyone left besides us here. I'm afraid to talk to half the men I used to trust.

"the plump Red."

Her name's Pevara.

 

I know. I was quoting the book.

[Val Mickey]

I don't know why, I've always had this irrational thought that Logain is Guaire Amalasan reborn. I guess I just want him to be a good general.

[Lacanos]

we all know that Demandred looked very similar to LTT in his days.

This isn't said anywhere; it's pure conjecture and untrue.

[Mystraka]

Mins viewing said Logain would laugh over a corpse very similar to Rands, and we all know that Demandred looked very similar to LTT in his days.

We also know Rand looks nothing like Lews Therin: "physically, nothing is the same except your height."

 

 

We also know that Morridan's new body (his Morridin body) looks similar to Rands, could logain be in store for a battle against the betrayer of hope?

[Lacanos]

Mins viewing said Logain would laugh over a corpse very similar to Rands, and we all know that Demandred looked very similar to LTT in his days.

We also know Rand looks nothing like Lews Therin: "physically, nothing is the same except your height."

 

 

We also know that Morridan's new body (his Morridin body) looks similar to Rands, could logain be in store for a battle against the betrayer of hope?

No.

[Entreri]

Logain is an interesting character.

 

In one of the earlier books, Min said Logain would have glory greater than any...or something along those lines.

 

He could be one of the great generals of the past reborn. Hopefully he does not fight Ishamael, he would be too over matched. The other Forsaken, why not.

[Elan Tedronai]

Logain is an interesting character.

 

In one of the earlier books, Min said Logain would have glory greater than any...or something along those lines.

 

He could be one of the great generals of the past reborn. Hopefully he does not fight Ishamael, he would be too over matched. The other Forsaken, why not.

 

I agree. Although you can never tell with children in this age beating the so called fearsome forsaken. I still think Logain's glory will come from assuming the leadership of all male channellers from taim and in the end from rand after the last battle.

[Declan]

Logain is an interesting character.

 

In one of the earlier books, Min said Logain would have glory greater than any...or something along those lines.

 

He could be one of the great generals of the past reborn. Hopefully he does not fight Ishamael, he would be too over matched. The other Forsaken, why not.

 

A lot of people have theorized that he will fight Demandred and thats where is glory will come. Or that he will go to help Lan attack the Blight, which would be one that is a little more unlikely than the next. The most led up to or talked of is his battle with Taim and him taking control of the BT so that they can fight against the shadow.

[johthohar]

I've got a kinda whacky idea. In thirteen books we've never had a single Logaine POV. So, we haven't "heard" his thoughts ever. Rand hasn't seen him post epiphany (ergo Rand hasn't been able to use his new Darkfriend detector toy on him). I can't remember anywhere it says Min's viewing means his glory has to be for the Light. Maybe Logain has been working with the Shadow the whole time. Maybe the glory from Min's viewing means he will defeat Rand. She did have that other viewing about him stepping over Rand's corpse. That would certainly earn him a bunch of glory with the Shadow dudes. Entirely possible as far as I can tell.

[FarShainMael]

But we have had PoVs from Toveine Gazal, who he bonded, and there was no indication there of him being a DF. Still..

[johthohar]

But we have had PoVs from Toveine Gazal, who he bonded, and there was no indication there of him being a DF. Still..

 

This is true. But it wouldn't be a big reveal if it was obvious. And there are instances in the series where Black Sisters had warders who didn't know they were Black. I can't remember who specifically. But I remember one warder who, when he found out the Aes Sedai he was bonded to was a darkfriend, decided his sole purpose in life was to kill her and then die IIRC.