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blazetheearth

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  1. k. I voted for Nyn, Mainly because I also hated her early in the series, but grew to love her as she grew. Mat was my close second, but I liked Mat from the beginning, only disliking him while he was under the influence of the SL Dagger. I agree that it takes a good author to transform a hated character to a loved one. Mat was a character that was loved from the beginning, whereas Nynaeve managed to change my opinion of her totally (even before TGS and ToM).
  2. Simple. It wasn't touching his skin for the duration of the healing (which we know seems like forever, but actually happens within a couple seconds).
  3. Just noticed something about the timeline for Verin in tSR. She was in the TR before Fain/Ordieth killed Perrin's family. The thought occurred to me that possibly her letter to Galad may have included a letter to be passed along to Bornhald or possibly informing Galad of events there causing him to speak to Bornhald, which led up to Bornhald's admission to it to Perrin. Yeah, I know it's out there and "why not just send a letter to Perrin?" and all that, but it was just a thought I figured I'd add.
  4. I agree about Siuan. She did not need to die and the way and how of it disappointed me greatly. I feel the way you do in that she "did not need to die", but by the same token I think that I was that much more invested in the story once her death hit me. As a major secondary character, subconsciously during my first reading (consciously during latter readings), I easily accepted her death as one who (exactly like Egwene) gave her own life to forward the goals of the Light. It was only later that I questioned her death. Now, after 3 re-reads including aMoL, I accept it as the only possible outcome for her character. Suian was not a woman of half measures or partial victories, and she would have viewed the end of aMoL as many readers do, a partial victory. She was not a woman whose experience could span Ages, much like Egewene (even Suian says that they are too much alike). It is much better that she and Gareth be reborn and experience a life that they can share,during an era that they both understand. Personally, I think Suian died as a way to kill off Bryne (who some say "is more a symbol of the Throne of Andor than the Queen" because he has served 4 different Queens [yes, I know the text says 3 queens, but he answers to Elyane during the LB which brings the total to 4]), but that's just my opinion.
  5. The way I read the "no evil w/o the DO" is similar to the Catholic version of Original Sin. In Genesis, in the Garden, Adam and Eve (and presumably all other humans in existence) would have lived out their entire lives never having eaten the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge (following God's command) if the Serpent had not convinced Eve to taste the fruit and give it to Adam. Without the DO, humans of Randland would obey the Creator's commands and live in the Light (always finding beauty in everything, even tragedy). "And how do they retain that choice once he is completely sealed away from any influence?" Herid Fel could probably explain it better, but to me it is simply a matter of the wrong language. If you embrace the thought that the Creator never intended mankind to be without choice, then the original prison of the DO (made by the Creator) was created to allow the DO some influence on humans (but not the Pattern itself). The Bore and the Seals allowed the DO to influence the Pattern, not just men. Rand reforging the prison (sealing it as good as new) takes the world back to the status quo that it was at the beginning which does not mean sealed away completely, just sealed away to only influence the hearts of men not the Pattern itself. We even see from Rand's thought's in aMoL that the era of the AoL before the bore was no where close to perfect. Lanfear's lust for power and Demandred's envy both pre-date the Bore being drilled, so obviously the DO was able to influence the hearts of some people before he was even discovered and this was with a "Creator-quality" prison before the Bore. So to reiterate, killing the DO would leave no choice (no serpent in the Garden) where as fixing the prison back to "Creator-quality" allows only some little influence which allows for choice to be present. I don't know if this is satisfactory to you, but it's the best I can explain how I think of it.
  6. Furyk Karede Tylee I'd also like to know the eventual outcome of the Children of the Light as an organization, as well as what happens with Berelain and Galad. And I'm curious what happens with Nynaeve in 50 years. We know that she will be Queen of Malkier, and we can presume that the land will flourish and the people will rebuild. But sometime in the next 50 to 100 years Lan will die, and I'd like to know what happens to her then. Does she continue to rule, step down in favor of one of her children, move back to Taralon/Tar Valon to get away from painful memories, etc...
  7. I may be very wrong here, but I have a vague recollection that Semirhage used TAR to locate the generals and then stepped out of TAR to perform compulsion in the waking world? That was for Compulsion, but she was messing with all of the General's dreams. Perrin saw her do it with Bashere and all 4 Generals were described as behaving tired and not sleeping well, but Ituralde was the only one we have direct evidence of the dreams being altered because he started dreaming about chowing down on his own children. She was Traveling back to the real world in each location too, but it seems I remember all four of them complaining about bad dreams at separate times.
  8. In TDR Ch 6 after Rand leaves the camp and the group are gathered in Moiraine's hut we are told ... Moiraine answered calmly. “Aes Sedai learn to shield their dreams. I do it without thinking, when I sleep. Warders are given something much the same in the bonding. The Gaidin could not do what they must if the Shadow could steal into their dreams. We are all vulnerable when we sleep, and the Shadow is strong in the night.” Lanfear later tells Rand that she could break through the shielding he put on his dreams if she chose to, but that he wouldn't like it (sorry, don't have the quote handy I think in LoC) which would seem to indicate that he would at least be aware of her breaking the protection. So my question is how did Hessalam influence Gareth Bryne without him or Suian noticing or realizing it?
  9. I had to pick Mellar. To me he was almost the Anti-Lan of the series. Where Lan has skills and uses them for the Light, even to the perceived detriment of his own desires (i.e. duty before all), Mellar/Hanlon has a similar (NO, I'm not saying he could beat Lan!) skillset to Lan. As an agent of the Shadow, Mellar was fairly successful in fulfilling his role and his orders. He gradually advanced through the ranks of the Chosen until he finally served Moridin directly and had Dreadlords answering to his command. I agree that he lives only because of the weakness of the Light (Elayne should have had him executed (not as Daughter-Heir, but as a Green Aes Sedai who had uncovered a DF)),but during his escape from capture he followed orders still and kept others from being held - and possibly broken - by the forces of the Light. As a normal non-channeler, he not only survived but thrived in the chaos of the world leading up to the Last Battle, and in the end it took a HotH to take him down. That's why he gets my vote.
  10. I'm not sure if this is actually an erroror just something that I lack further info about, but in tDR Moraine implies that Lan's dreams are protected from Ba'alzamon's influence by the Warder bond when she is telling Perrin why she can't protect his dreams from wolves. Now, in aMoL, we see Suian's Warder have his dreams influenced. How? Did Hessalam know things about TAR and the Warder protections that Moridin/Ishy doesn't know? (Doesn't make sense when you think about the fact that the current Age is brand new to Graendal where as Ishamael started the Black Ajah 2000 years ago).The way Moraine says it, the protection is an inherent part of the Warder bond, so why weren't either Gareth or Suian alerted when his dreams were messed with? Comes across as an error, but like i said might just be lacking info. I would be interested in any info others can share on subject.
  11. Liked the Rand/Mat EB conversation. Loved the "double-bonding". I was hoping it would work the way it did. Loved the Tam/Rand sparring Liked Mat telling Elayne that he wasn't going to tell her the new plan. Elayne's exclamation of "Creator shelter us" and Mat's response of "That's what Tuon said." Captured the three of them perfectly. I laughed out loud over it.
  12. Noticed on a re-read that the conversation in Ch 9 between Agelmar and Lan, when Agelmar says they have to retreat and calls Lan selfish, nicely parallels the conversation between the same two people in TEoTW in Fal Dara. But then Agelmar was trying to convince Lan to lead and attack the Gap, where as here he is convincing a Lan who leads to retreat from attacking the Gap. In both cases, Agelmar calls Lan 'Dai-Shan' and uses duty to compel him.
  13. I agree that it will be Moiraine. I think it will be her because Mat gave up 1/2 the light of the world to "save the world" which means that she has some knowledge that Rand will require to "save the world" (I'm thinking that she asked the Foxes for the knowledge of how to seal the Bore or kill the DO). We know that she got 3 things from the Foxes, but so far we only know 1 of the things (the angreal) She had reason to suspect the Foxes could do implant knowledge directly to her (she had already had suspicions about Mat's battle skill, so it would make sense for her to ask for knowledge and we know the only physical thing she left with was the angreal. Her life's mission has been to help Rand, so it makes sense that she would ask for info to help him, and at the time she disappeared with Lanfear, she didn't know anything that would necessarily help "save the world". Cads says that Callandor must be used with a woman weaving the flows. None of the other women have the knowledge of how to weave saidin, they only know saidar. Just like Rand didn't know how to weave saidar during the Cleansing and his weaving of saidar came out totally different than what he expected. Sealing the Bore is probably not the best place to experiment in trying to do something for the first time like he did with the Cleansing. I think Moiraine's 3 Gifts from the Foxes were 1) the angreal 2) knowledge of how to seal the Bore 3) knowledge of how to weave saidin the last 2 things would make her someone who can "save the world" and would be very important to have in Callandor's circle. A note on all the other circles with men and women combined. Almost all simply had the circle leader using the opposite power to strengthen weaves that were made with the original power. A couple of exceptions were when Rand performed the Cleansing and when Semi used saidin to torture Min. By contrast when Grady and Neald added saidar to their Gateways or when Flinn was fighting Demandred, both were referred to as having "strengthened" existing weaves. I would give supporting quotes for all these if I had my books handy.
  14. It could be a reference to the line from either the Essanik Cycle (sp?) or The Prophecy of the Dragon the refers to the "blind man standing on his own grave" which didn't happen until VoG in TGS. In other words could have been very subtle foreshadowing,but at the time when I read it I thought it simply referred to that he could not overlook the battlefield the way he had at the begining of the battle.
  15. She left her training early. That's the only excuse I can think of and the one that most Eggy fans will probably fall back on. We definitely see nothing from her Dreaming that even comes close to the letter the WO's sent to Moiraine in the Stone of Tear. They included specifics like dates, and people. She can sometimes get the people right, but we have yet to her her have an experience that would allow the type of date accuracy that the WO's showed.
  16. Suian and Moiraine were lovers as novices and accepted. That Seafolk Windfinder and the Cairheinen Lady that Rand tied up and left under the bed during the attack on the Sun Palace, they were having a lesbian relationship as seen from Shaolin's PoV later. Galina and Pevara while accepted, because Pevara thinks about Galina trying to start the same relationship back up after Pevara became AS, but Pevara rejected her because she prefers men. Several of Galina's PoV indicate the fact that she is much more attracted to women than men. As far as male homosexuality, it is not directly referred to between any specific characters, but it is not unknown in Randland. Any time during the series you see the words "pillow friend" it refers to a relationship that is often sexual in nature. It is usually used in reference to lesbian relationships. Here's a link to a good article that discusses the subject. Bloody ashes! - Ninja-posted by Mark Grayson. Oh well, I agree with everything he said.
  17. Amazon sells the e-books, and they display the e-book cover art on the info page for the e-books. All you have to do is right-click on the picture and then choose the option for "Save Image as..." to save it to your computer. No purchase necessary.
  18. I love the fact that right now more people have voted for Bela as have voted for Eggy. I voted for Nyn. But really it's a toss up for me between several, because I have a hard time with defining 'strength of will'. We see many examples of it through the series, but it's hard to compare the 'strength of will' to resist torture with the 'strength of will' to walk willingly to a situation that you know will end up in torture or death. One character might be able to do one but not the other, so which really has a stronger will? To me, while they both require a 'strength of will', they are like trying to compare apples and oranges. Honestly, I think that Brigette deserves a place on this list also, because I could easily see her persevering in almost any situation that many of the the other female characters have found themselves in. I might have included Alise in this list also,
  19. It's not about accidental or deliberate. While stilling/gentling are deliberate acts, the fact that they are deliberate is irrelevant to the issue. If we look at Nyn's description of Logain just before she heals him, and Now think of a normal drinking straw. If you cut it with a pair of scissors then you have 2 clean ends that can be placed back together and secured with a piece of tape to be good as new. Now take an identical straw and holding it laterally place a match under it so that it burn apart. Now you have 2 pieces of straw with melted ends that cannot be put back together because the process that separated them melted the straw itself. That is how I see the difference between stilling and 'burning out'. One is a clean cut which allow the conduit to be bridged (or taped up) while the other destroys the ends (like melting them) so that they could not be pieced back together. I hope that analogy helps explain why I don't think that Setalle will be healed.
  20. I always thought of them as 'Manetherites'.
  21. I voted for "Dislike, and still dislike". I'll admit that a lot of my dislike of her originally came from her interaction with Mat in Salidar and EB, but to me I still see the same spoiled child in her that I saw then. Her treatment of Perrin in ToM was easily equivalent of her treatment of Mat in Salidar (and on the trip to EB). She constantly thinks of others as below her (personally, I think that she could have used a few months as a WO's Apprentice). I would not have such an objection to this if she (and her predecessors) had actually fufilled a nobles obligation to they people they are claiming. Ignoring Perrin and looking only at her interaction with Mat in Salidar and on the way to EB, what did she do? Did she treat Mat as she would have Davram Bashere had he been leading five thousand men and sitting outside the AS camp? Absolutely not. She never treated him as a person worthy of respect (this includes her interactions with him in ToM). Would she have spent the entire trip to EB trying to suborn the loyalty of Bashere's men if he had been the general leading the troops to help protect her in EB? I doubt it, but she didn't give it a second thought when they were Mat's men. To me, her threatening to hang Perrin is along the exact same lines. Her whole attitude of "I am Queen and therefore those people loyalty is mine" to me is very childish. When she grows up and figures out what Nyn learned years ago, that a ruler has to earn respect and loyalty, then I might like her, but right now she is really no better than all the Tarien Lords that Rand stripped privileges away from, claiming the loyalty of a people that she has done nothing to earn the respect of. For me, her scenes with Gawyn are the only scenes in the entire book in which she was remotely likable. Another reason for disliking her in general is because Brigette is one of my favorite characters, and I have felt so sorry for for having been bonded to one who is so reckless with her own life. She knows that her own death (or stilling/burning out) would kill Brigette, but she still continues to do stupid things that could kill her (or since Min's visions preclude death, maim her or burn her out [which would have the same reaction of Brigette as her death would]).
  22. I can't envision the Hall of the Tower + the Amrylin Seat as = to Congress + PotUS. To me, they read much more as British Parliament + King/Queen during Victorian Times. The Monarch (Amyrlin) has absolute authority in decrees and pronouncements, but if the Parliament (the Hall) balks at forwarding the decrees then there is not much the Monarch can do about it without invading (pronouncing penance, for example) the lands held by the opposition within Parliament. I read Elaida as more of a Mary, Queen of Scots, than any PotUS and Eggy as more following the lines of Elizabeth than any PotUS.
  23. IIRC, they are with the SAS waiting to bond AM at the BT, along with several of Eggy's inner-circle from Salidar.Which would mean we will probably be seeing more of them with the resolution of the BT.
  24. No worries about the spelling. For one, you make a really good point about Lanfear assisting Rand to seal the Bore, that makes so much sense! After all she was the one who created it! Had never considered that. Also, it would in fact be nicely symmetrical if Mog/Lanfear/Graendal were cour'souvra'd so that Moridin's "harem" would match Rand's lol. Rand is linked to Moridin.. could he 'take over' control of those cour'souvra, I wonder? (cour'souvrae? -vras? -vren? oh never mind.. ) And then what? He'd have a harem of six? And on the seventh day, he rested. ROFL!
  25. Also, the making of heartstone is not dependent on strength in the power. Leane was chosen because she had shown the most aptitude in the making of heartstone than any of the other sisters, besides Eggy herself. There was a section in KoD, I think, where Eggy goes through the Heartstone Manufactory in the SAS camp and talks about the process. The weave uses very little of the OP, and practice makes the process faster. No matter how strong in the power Leane is, she is the most adept at the weave so far. But I can understand why her being chosen for that mission might lead you to believe that her strength had been fully restored.
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