Discuss Prologue Through Chapter 40

[Luckers]

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[sdelu]

Halfway through 37...

 

Please, BWS/RJ, let the Bloodknives kill Gawyn and Egwene... please... PLEASE!

 

*reads on*

 

 

Oh. How... disappointing :(

[sdelu]

I don't want to continue reading any longer. Another wasted Forsaken. Why bother having bad guys in a story if they can't do anything?

 

Sigh.

 

Maybe they'll surprise me, and Mesaana tricked Egwene. I won't hold out much hope, though :(

[OsaroLJ]

I didnt think Rand's character could do anything more to impress me but Storm of light may turn out to me my favorite Wot chapter. When was the last time we saw Rand fight with such righteous anger? What a display. Furthermore, his description to min regarding why he did it was almost tearjerking. Rand has become the Dragon.

 

Right now, im sure Rand will die and you know what? I think it is only right.

[GB]

a storm of light reminded me of a fount of power in TGS

 

but great chapter

[Bob T Dwarf]

I didnt think Rand's character could do anything more to impress me but Storm of light may turn out to me my favorite Wot chapter. When was the last time we saw Rand fight with such righteous anger? What a display. Furthermore, his description to min regarding why he did it was almost tearjerking. Rand has become the Dragon.

 

Right now, im sure Rand will die and you know what? I think it is only right.

 

We've got two things at work here, both pointing to Rand's death. The Jesus parallel and the 'Finn's "To live you must die." There's also the whole "Twice dawns the day... " thing.

 

Jesus is supposed to have descended into Hell and fought the devil into submission over a three day period before resurrecting.

 

So, it may be that the only way Rand can defeat the DO is to die and fight him on a spirit level.

[Mulk]

perhaps (and this assumes that Rand/Lews Therin is bound to the wheel as Hawkwing and the rest are) he must die and take up the fight in T'AR? Just a thought. I know he can get there in the flesh already, but that thought did occure to me. People are saying and I tend to agree that T'AR will play a sizable role in TG. /shrug

[NetSlider]

I didnt think Rand's character could do anything more to impress me but Storm of light may turn out to me my favorite Wot chapter. When was the last time we saw Rand fight with such righteous anger? What a display. Furthermore, his description to min regarding why he did it was almost tearjerking. Rand has become the Dragon.

 

Right now, im sure Rand will die and you know what? I think it is only right.

 

Completely agree. I have to say that was by far the best moment of the book so far. More and more I feel like Rand is in the league of his own (i want to see Demondred trying to have Rand's heart now).

 

Also, I have to say that I see more and more Rand as Neo from the Matrix.

 

Something made me wonder - you thing Rand is strong enough to take on a full circle. I mean his power seems to be way above that of anyone we've seen so far. Kind of makes sense how LTT could create DM if he was that strong. I wonder is he "jumped" in strength after Veins of Gold.

[lilinbilly]

Rand is most certainly not going to die. His blood on rocks does not mean he has to die. Rand is going to live and have babies with avi.

[lilinbilly]

I have read many theories on why Taim can not be Demandred. Even if RJ denied it, maybe he lied. In one of the beginning chapters when Messana is given the dreamspike SH says that there are only two and the other one is has been given to someone else. Taim so obviously has the other one which is why no one can travel out of the black tower. Why would the DO allow any but the chosen to have such an object?

[csarmi]

I'm disappointed.

 

Rand routing the Trollocs alone while for some reason Ituralde couldn't do anything with 50-100 Ashaman available to him? (which is ridiculous, having channelers should give him a BIG edge especially with traveling)

 

Ituralde giving up the channelers for the streetfights? WTF...

 

What's up with the remaining few hundred thousand Trollocs anyway? Surely they won't bother Maradon anymore, now would they?

 

Gawyn facing down THREE assasins, taking wounds that should get him dead in minutes? (see Gareth vs Bloodknife, poison)

I call bullshit.

[Gor]

I'm disappointed.

 

Rand routing the Trollocs alone while for some reason Ituralde couldn't do anything with 50-100 Ashaman available to him? (which is ridiculous, having channelers should give him a BIG edge especially with traveling)

 

Ituralde giving up the channelers for the streetfights? WTF...

 

What's up with the remaining few hundred thousand Trollocs anyway? Surely they won't bother Maradon anymore, now would they?

 

Gawyn facing down THREE assasins, taking wounds that should get him dead in minutes? (see Gareth vs Bloodknife, poison)

I call bullshit.

I thought it was ~15 ash'man.

 

He killed a few hundred thousand from my PoV. Don't think there were nearly that many left at the end (I'd have to check but yeah)...maybe 10,000 or so and they were completely broken and terrorized.

 

Gawyn's part was quite over the top, I agree. Especially since it happened before he became a Warder. I don't think anyone left in Randland could touch him with a sword now though. He seems to have surpassed Galad (who barely beat Valda) and probably Lan as well (who lost to Sleete occasionally, who lost to Gawyn 2 on 1). Mat would still kick his ass :)

[sdelu]

I'm disappointed.

 

Rand routing the Trollocs alone while for some reason Ituralde couldn't do anything with 50-100 Ashaman available to him? (which is ridiculous, having channelers should give him a BIG edge especially with traveling)

 

Ituralde giving up the channelers for the streetfights? WTF...

 

While EPIC RAND was a little over the top, it wasn't really that unbelievable (or, at least, there was precedent -- see KOD where he did some whoopin). Plus, he now has a lot more knowledge of channeling and, well, he IS the dragon reborn.

 

As for Ituralde giving up the Asha'man and the fact that they weren't as strong as Rand, that's all explained. The Asha'man had been fighting to exhaustion for weeks to hold the Trollocs at bay. And giving up the Asha'man makes 100% sense since he figured they were all going to die. Why waste 100 men that are easily worth an entire army when fully rested? It makes more sense than keeping them in the city to fight an all-out battle, especially when they'll be overrun eventually.

 

 

Gawyn facing down THREE assasins, taking wounds that should get him dead in minutes? (see Gareth vs Bloodknife, poison)

I call bullshit.

 

Now THAT was complete and utter bull. I like how Hopper can die (twice!) but neither Egwene nor Gawyn have the grace to do it once. Stupid.

[walkerhound]

I’m kind of curis how much Perrin's dreaming abilities are/have spread. Clearly Edarra recognized that he was dreaming and it look's like she has in some way passed it on to the other ail (the reaction of the maidens). Taken with the fact that he's apparently decided to be strait forward about the wolves and even if the wise one's don't know specifically about the wolf dream then as the resident experts on dreaming they should know that wolves have some sort of connection to same

[Jillain Sanche]

Holy Hammer of the gods!!! Shades of Thor!!!

 

Okay, yeah, chapter 40 is my favorite ever, so far! Perrin forges the power-wrought hammer named for He Who Soars, Hopper. That was just the coolest Perrin yet. Even though, I must say, his Wolf King instructions to Egwene in the Wolf Dream/TAR which enabled her to overcome Mesaana putting a dream adam on her was just fabulous. And, Egwene owes Perrin BIG TIME!! (Though one doubts she will ever actually tell him how she benefitted from that "chance" meeting with his ta-verenness in the Dream. Perrin is a Dreamer too.

 

It also was foreshadowed in TGS by (Tylee's?) the Seanchan officers' mentioning of the Wolf King in their prophecies concerning the Last Battle. For now the Wolf King has claimed his due and has forged his mighty hammer.

[Bob T Dwarf]

I'm disappointed.

 

Rand routing the Trollocs alone while for some reason Ituralde couldn't do anything with 50-100 Ashaman available to him? (which is ridiculous, having channelers should give him a BIG edge especially with traveling)

 

Ituralde giving up the channelers for the streetfights? WTF...

 

What's up with the remaining few hundred thousand Trollocs anyway? Surely they won't bother Maradon anymore, now would they?

 

Gawyn facing down THREE assasins, taking wounds that should get him dead in minutes? (see Gareth vs Bloodknife, poison)

I call bullshit.

 

By the time we join Ituralde, the battle has been going on for days. All, the Asha'man he has available included, are nearly exhausted before the trebuchet's are brought up.

 

He has a choice, he can use the Asha'man as weapons and let his men die, or he can use them as medics and keep his men alive. It isn't until after Yoeli rescues them, and after the Asha'man are exhausted to the point that the biggest gateway that can be made is one that has to be crawled through, that he releases the Asha'man so they can escape the slaughter.

 

The Gawyn incident ... I dunno what to tell ya. It was a little hokey. But then so was Rand singlehandedly breaking the back of the attack on Maradon in only one hour. At least we got to see it, unlike Semirhage's even more unlikely destruction of the entire Seanchan Imperial Court.

[Charlz Guybon]

I'm disappointed.

 

Rand routing the Trollocs alone while for some reason Ituralde couldn't do anything with 50-100 Ashaman available to him? (which is ridiculous, having channelers should give him a BIG edge especially with traveling)

 

Ituralde giving up the channelers for the streetfights? WTF...

 

What's up with the remaining few hundred thousand Trollocs anyway? Surely they won't bother Maradon anymore, now would they?

 

Gawyn facing down THREE assasins, taking wounds that should get him dead in minutes? (see Gareth vs Bloodknife, poison)

I call bullshit.

I thought it was ~15 ash'man.

 

He killed a few hundred thousand from my PoV. Don't think there were nearly that many left at the end (I'd have to check but yeah)...maybe 10,000 or so and they were completely broken and terrorized.

 

 

 

 

"the city was now besieged by a force of several hundred thousand shadowspawn."p331

 

"an awesome force of Trollocs, many times the size of the one that had assaulted Maradon" p500.

 

"The field before him was piled with carcasses atop carcasses. Tens of thousands of dead Trollocs smoldering"p503

 

There were over a million trollocs and he killed several tens of thousands of them, so there's probably still a million left. He killed more at the Eye of the World were he had the benefit of the terrain to keep them hemmed in. The only reason he drove them off is that they're cowardly.