Will Gawyn Kill Egwene?

[Luckers]

Will Gawyn Kill Egwene?

 

There have been a number of prophecies referring to an upcoming spart between Gawyn and Egwene.

 

For a moment [Min] let herself think of the images she had glimpsed, just for a moment, flickering around Gawyn's head... Gawyn kneeling at Egwene's feet with his head bowed, and Gawyn breaking Egwene's neck, first one then the other, as if either could be the future.

 

[tSR; 47, The Truth of a Viewing]

 

This really couldn't be more clear. Gawyn will either submit to Egwene, or kill her. Note, too, that this viewing is unique. "The things she saw were very rarely as clear in meaning as those two, and she had never before seen that fluttering back and forth, as though not even the viewing could tell which would be the true future."[tSR; 47, The Truth of a Viewing]

 

Twice, right atop one another, she dreamed of taking [Gawyn] by the shoulders and trying to turn him to face the other way against his will. Once he brushed her hands away roughly; the other time she was somehow stronger than he. The two blended together hazily.

 

[LOC: 15, A Pile of Sand, 258]

 

Egwene tries to force Gawyn to do something. Notice the similarity to Min's viewing--two future, equally possible--in fact so much so that in both cases the future is hazy. With Egwene's dream one in which she forces him, the other in which she he stops her--roughly. In Min's, one in which he submits, one in which he kills her--roughly.

 

In support that the two are referring the same thing...

 

In another, [Gawyn] began swinging a door closed on her, and she knew if that narrowing gap of light vanished, she was dead.

 

[LOC: 15, A Pile of Sand, 258]

 

Closing a door on her, turning his back on her, not submitting, all leading to Egwene's death--unless he stops, listens to her, submits. There is also this...

 

...a man riding on a black stallion. Gawyn. Then she was standing in the road in front of him, and he reined in. Not because he saw her...but the road that had been straight now forked right where she stood, running over tall hills so no one could see what lay beyond. She knew, though. Down one fork was his violent death, down the other, a long life and a death in bed. On one path, he would marry her, on the other, not. She knew what lay ahead, but not which way led to which. Suddenly he did see her, or seemed to, and smiled, and turned his horse along one of the forks...

 

[ACOS: 10, Unseen Eyes, 202]

 

I'll cover this in more detail later, as it speaks of his death, not hers--but again we have a crucial decision in Gawyn's like, one which has the potential for great destruction, which Egwene stands in the crux of.

 

So that's the trail I am running with here. Sometime soon Gawyn will want to do something, which Egwene will try to stop him from doing. If he falls in line with her, she lives. He he turns his back on her, she dies.

 

What Is This Choice Gawyn Must Make?

 

The Old Pick - Elaida or Egwene, Rebel or Loyalist

 

In days gone by [i'm sort of talking, pre-KoD, but the idea did hang round after KoD came out] the favourite pick was that this represented Gawyn choosing to go against Elaida to save Egwene. The major force behind this conviction, I suspect, was this dream...

 

Straps at waist and shoulder held her tightly to the block, and the headsman's axe descended, but she knew that somewhere someone was running, and if they ran fast enough, the axe would stop.

 

[ACOS: 10, Unseen Eyes, 202]

 

You can see the points of similarity. A moment when Egwene's life or death hung on the actions of another, and if you look at it just after CoT, you have Egwene being taken to the Tower--seemingly for execution--and Gawyn serving Elaida (thus having a decision to make should Egwene be taken to the axemen). Even during KoD, Egwene's life hung in Elaida's hands, and with the upcoming dinner at the end of KoD looming, the expectation that Elaida might order Egwene's execution seemed very plausible (and it nearly did happen, after all).

 

But now we know things did not turn out that way. There was very little choosing involved in Gawyn joining the rebels--it was just 'Egwene's in danger, decision made'. That scenario does not support what these viewings sustain. Though that being said I do actually think the axe dream, individually, spoke of this--you can read my thoughts on this here.

 

As a final note on this, in [tGS; 30, Old Advice] Gawyn and Bryne have a nice old debate about choosing who to follow, and its clearly implied that Gawyn still has big choices to make, despite having already chosen Egwene over Elaida. No, if that was even a choice, I think we can rule it out as The Choice.

 

Gawyn's Vandetta Against Rand

 

I suspect everyone already knew I was going here. Sorry, I like to be thorough. Gawyn's hatred of Rand has been the long running contention between Egwene and Gawyn. In LoC...

 

"I shouldn't be surprised to find you here. I should have known you would be where al'Thor is."

 

"Why do you hate him?" That had been hate in his voice or she had never heard it. "Gawyn, he really is the Dragon Reborn. You must have heard what happened in Tear. He—"

 

"I do not care if he is the Creator made flesh," he graced. "Al'Thor killed my mother!"

 

Egwene's eyes nearly popped out of her head. "Gawyn, no! No, he did not!".

 

"Can you swear it? Were .you there when she died? It's on every tongue. The Dragon Reborn took Caemlyn, and killed Morgase. He probably killed Elayne, too. I can find no word of her."

 

....

 

"I have a second favor to ask. Rand did not kill your mother." How could she word this to put the least strain on him? Strain or no, she had to. "Promise me you will not raise a hand against Rand until I can prove he didn't."

 

"I swear." Again no hesitation, but his voice was rough, and his hands squeezed again briefly, harder than before. She did not flinch; the slight pain felt like a repayment for the pain she was causing him.

 

"It has to be that way, Gawyn. He did not do it, but it will take time to prove." How under the Light could she? Rand's word would not be enough. All such a tangle.

 

[LoC; 25, Like Lightning and Rain]

 

Of course, he goes on to state he'd betray anything for her, but notice the strain it puts on him, the hard squeeze he gives her hands, hurting her. Besides, the dreams clearly show that there is something which he wouldn't betray for her--something that would even see her dead, perhaps at his hand--and if ever there were a topic that holds enough force in him to equal his love for Egwene, it's his hate for Rand--especially since in the time that's passed since then his world has continued to spiral apart, leaving his hate as the one ongoing constant. Even his love for Egwene has shifted under his feet at the end of tGS.

 

Yes, I think it almost certain that these viewings relate to Gawyn and Egwene struggling over Gawyn's hatred of Rand. I hate saying 'almost certain', it puts peoples backs up, but I don't see anything else that is strong enough to cause such contention between them.

 

The Actual Quarrel

 

Degree of Drama

 

Terez makes the point that we all just assumed Gawyn's hatred would be resolved easily, yet if you accept my conclusion that these prophecies refer to this, then I'd say that’s unlikely. They are just too emphatic. Of course Terez follows this own with the suggestion that Gawyn actually will kill Rand, which I don't think is the case--in all of the prophecies about this, none of them refer to a confrontation between Rand and Gawyn, but rather a confrontation between Egwene and Gawyn about Rand.

 

Of course the logic continues, if its 50/50 that Egwene fails to turn him from his path, then he will continue on in his hatred, and hypothetically kill Rand. I do not regard this as likely--for one thing it would mean that not only has Gawyn killed Rand, but that Egwene is dead because of it also. And she doesn't have a 'get out of jail free card', like Rand.

 

But even so I do agree that we've been shrugging off Gawyn's hatred too lightly--I mean this potentially involves Gawyn snapping her neck over it, and even if that's just metaphor for 'she dies becuase of it', it's still pretty heavy.

 

The Happy Ending

 

Something will raised the subject of Rand between them [My guess--Rand will meet with Egwene--the whole 'he shall know her anger' bit--and Gawyn will be vastly disappointed with the results]. This will combine with his general dissatisfaction to her reaction to him at the end of tGS. This will lead to a confrontation between the two of them, one which potentially turns violent. Gawyn may even come damned close to killing her, but at the last moment he'll back off. This will lead to him breaking down and realising what he becomes.

 

Seems a bit VoG? Try this out for size...

 

The Unhappy Ending

 

Something will raised the subject of Rand between them [My guess--Rand will meet with Egwene--the whole 'he shall know her anger' bit--and Gawyn will be vastly disapointed with the results]. This will combine with his general dissatisfaction to her reaction to him at the end of tGS. This will lead to a confrontation between the two of them culminating in Gawyn killing Egwene in a terrible rage. With nothing left he will go after Rand, an emotional wreck--and die at Rand's hand.

 

Why do I say die?

 

...a man riding on a black stallion. Gawyn. Then she was standing in the road in front of him, and he reined in. Not because he saw her...but the road that had been straight now forked right where she stood, running over tall hills so no one could see what lay beyond. She knew, though. Down one fork was his violent death, down the other, a long life and a death in bed. On one path, he would marry her, on the other, not. She knew what lay ahead, but not which way led to which. Suddenly he did see her, or seemed to, and smiled, and turned his horse along one of the forks...

 

[ACOS: 10, Unseen Eyes, 202]

 

Told you I'd get back to it. Besides, I simply do not think the character who kills Egwene could be allowed to survive, and having Rand slay him is... fitting to me.

[Val Mickey]

Could the last quote refer to Gawyn abandoning the Younglings for Egwene? It would fit in his 'seeming to' see Egwene.

[Luckers]

Could the last quote refer to Gawyn abandoning the Younglings for Egwene? It would fit in his 'seeming to' see Egwene.

 

Yeah, that's a reasonable explanation--I only like mine if he does kill Egwene. In that scenario Rand killing him would be very fulfilling. If he doesn't, then yeah yours seems plausible.

[Val Mickey]

Gawyn's death would be fulfilling anyways.

You don't need Rand for that. Even if he dies by suffocation from Bela's wind, many would find it fulfilling.

 

Though I suspect Gawyn will finally become cool in ToM.

[GB]

cool theory luckers

 

i do agree the turning of gawyn head from one path refers to the path of hatred he has taken against rand.

 

possibly news of elayne pregnancy might also do the trick and he will convince himself that rand raped elayne, provided he knows rand the father.

 

also, somehow i think gawyn will save rand's life, after he gets over his issues. though how i dont know....

[Luckers]

possibly news of elayne pregnancy might also do the trick and he will convince himself that rand raped elayne, provided he knows rand the father.

 

Possibly. But I think that is too dark for WoT.

[Naffy]

If so, I am sure it is the "Cool man, all is forgiven" scene from that review. Gawyn would shoot up the charts in my character rankings.

[shadow walker]

I think that Gawyn either has to accept Rand for the good guy he is, and get over his hatred and marry Egwene, or he wont and he will go after rand, Egwene will get the way Gawyn will come close to killing Egwene in the rage he will be in, Rand will end up killing Gawyn to save Egwene.

[mikedh]

Good read, Luckers. The only thing I have a problem with is Gawyn actually getting around to killing Egwene, there's that whole thing where she's just tie him up with Air.

 

I also doubt that they would kill off Egghead after all of the long drawn out gaining trust/getting beaten story thread. And there isn't much time to reunite the tower if Egwene dies, basically the Aes Sedai will fall under someone from their own Ajah once Egwene dies, remember that whole scene where they were trying to replace Elaida? They all nominated their own Ajah and they were at an impasse until they thought of Egwene.

 

As to an alternate theory, I agree that the decision will be whether to join with Egwene/Rand and forget his hatred, or "turn his back" (like in the dream) on her. How will this cause her to die? I believe that Gawyn will save Egwene's life very soon (Blood Knives anyone?) and if he turns his back on her he won't be there to do this.

[The Dirty Landry]

Haven't we heard on a quote from Brandon, that "Gawyn will have to live with the fruit of his decisions for a long time"?

 

I also don't believe that the vision means what we expect. As in, if Egwene and Gawyn get married, he might die the violent death. If he kills Egwene, he could end up living a long life. It states in the vision that she doesn't know which path leads to which. The way the vision is stated as well, leads me to believe that she also doesn't know which result will lead to which.

[Terez]

Terez makes the point that we all just assumed Gawyn's hatred would be resolved easily, yet if you accept my conclusion that these prophecies refer to this, then I'd say that’s unlikely. They are just too emphatic.

I think it is far more likely that Gawyn will kill Rand than that Gawyn will kill Egwene. I think there are some pretty obvious reasons why, and also, there is a ton of evidence supporting Gawyn killing Rand aside from these prophecies about Gawyn and Egwene.

 

Of course Terez follows this own with the suggestion that Gawyn actually will kill Rand, which I don't think is the case--in all of the prophecies about this, none of them refer to a confrontation between Rand and Gawyn, but rather a confrontation between Egwene and Gawyn about Rand.

This last sentence is the flawed logic that led you to this theory. I remember you making the same argument against my Gawyn theory - that these prophecies foreshadowed a confrontation between Gawyn and Egwene, rather than a confrontation between Gawyn and Rand. There were three flaws in the logic of using this as an argument against my theory:

 

1. That of course RJ cannot mention the conflict between Gawyn and Rand in the prophecies, or we would know it was coming.

2. That obviously, the only real drama between Gawyn and Egwene has to do with his unhealthy desire to kill Rand. This drama has been pretty obviously the main element of Gawyn's plotline since the prologue of LOC.

3. That there is plenty of other evidence besides these prophecies pointing to Gawyn killing Rand, which further adds to the logic of assuming that these dreams will concern Gawyn's desire to kill Rand.

 

I see that you have tried to address the second element, but the fact that you still harp on the fact that Gawyn's and Rand's fight is not mentioned in these prophecies is illogical, especially when you go on to predict that Rand will kill Gawyn.

 

Now, I think it quite possible that Rand will kill Gawyn, rather than Gawyn killing Rand, but in that case, Rand will still die soon after. The whole point of my theory is to explore the aspect of Rand's death. We know almost nothing about it from the prophecies, and all we have are some hints that certain people want to kill him. The main ones just so happen to be the three obvious Mordred parallels in WoT - Fain/Mordeth, Ishamael/Moridin, and Demandred. Which one will succeed? My theory addresses this question, while yours addresses another that just so happens to tie into my theory via the Egwene prophecies.

 

IMO, if Rand kills Gawyn, then Rand will be balefired shortly thereafter by Moiraine (not Alivia). Then Gawyn has to live with his mistake forever, as Brandon seems to hint in this quote:

 

Brandon on Facebook - 21 June 2010 8:34 pm

 

A fanmail⁴ tonight includes a request for Gawyn to die, and Egwene to hook up with Galad. At least it's not another begging for Rand + Egwene.

10:24 pm

Wow. I did not mean to start an epic Gawyn/Galad/Egwene/Rand thread on my Facebook, but I appear to have done so.

11:05 pm

Some interesting reading if you're thinking/talking about Gawyn as a character can be found here:

Sir Gawain and the Green Knight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from the comments:

One other way to think of it is thus: The Wheel will keep on turning, and the Age that we live in (or like unto it) will someday arrive. Legends from what is happening in these books will have survived, and become the Arthur legends during our day. Or, in other cases, stories of other characters have survived in other mythologies. (Look up the Slavic god Perun sometime.)

Perrin is not a god, nor is Gawyn the knight of that story I linked. But perhaps someone who lived long ago, in another Age, gave birth to rumors about a young nobleman who made a mistake, and bore the weight of that sin for the rest of his days. And that gave birth to stories, which in turn inspired a poet to write a tale.

Of course, with the way Brandon phrases this, very few people will know what Gawyn did (which would explain how Gawyn survives after killing Rand). I suspect only Moiraine, Thom, and Mat would know in that particular scenario. Maybe one or two others. Thom's epic has the potential to be the source of those 'rumors', and Loial's book as well (assuming he can get Rand to talk after the Last Battle). Egwene might know if she was bonded to him. But in your scenario, if Gawyn makes a mistake, he dies. If he survives, he chose not to make that mistake.

 

As I said in the Gawyn theory, Min's viewing to me clearly means that either Egwene will bond Gawyn, or he will break her neck. The latter to me seems to be extremely unlikely, so it's probably safe to assume that she will bond him. Part of the reason I assume that kneeling=bonding is the fact that Egwene had a dream of Gawyn kneeling in front of her also - she knows that it means she will bond him. She had the dream before she ran into Gawyn, but she did not interpret it until then.

 

The other dream with the door closing probably ties into the bonding, since it shows Gawyn tied to Egwene's death yet again.

 

Could the last quote refer to Gawyn abandoning the Younglings for Egwene? It would fit in his 'seeming to' see Egwene.

Brandon said that is not yet fulfilled:

 

The Gathering Storm Book Tour, Borders Dallas 14 November 2009 - Matoyak reporting

Mato: Have the visions and other such prophecies about Egwene and the Seanchan (such as the running one and the one with the sword) have they been fulfilled yet?

Sanderson: No, none of those have been fulfilled other than the attack on the White Tower. She still has more to go.

 

The Gathering Storm Book Tour, Powell's Books, Portland, OR 19 November 2009 - Samadai reporting

 

Amalisa: Has Egwene's dream of having her head on a block and an axe falling come true?

 

Brandon: "It has not; she is still in danger of that happening." Then he looked at us and said, "It may or may not also have something to do with Min's vision of Gawyn either saving or killing Egwene. [Either Brandon has misremembered Min's viewing, or Samadai didn't note it down exactly; either way, Min saw that Gawyn would either kneel at Egwene's feet with his head bowed (not save her), or break her neck.] Big smile on his face for that one.

 

I think Brandon's smile is for the fact that everyone assumes that the person running to save Egwene is Gawyn. I think it more likely to be Tuon (and Mat, hopefully). I do like the idea of Gawyn being involved - he might be the one to let them know she is in danger, from the bond, which might explain why Gawyn has to let Egwene bond him to save her life - but I think this will coincide with the Seanchan woman saving her, as it seems unlikely she will have to be saved twice.

 

 

possibly news of elayne pregnancy might also do the trick and he will convince himself that rand raped elayne, provided he knows rand the father.

 

Possibly. But I think that is too dark for WoT.

I don't agree. Gawyn raping Elayne would be too dark for WoT. Gawyn believing Rand has raped Elayne, hardly so. Besides, if Elayne tells Gawyn about Rahvin and Morgase, that will give him all sorts of ideas about what a man can do with the Power to control a woman - not that he didn't likely have similar ideas before. Elayne telling him about Rahvin would confirm those suspicions in his mind.

[Thor]

I was actually hoping that Gawyn will try to kill Egwene but ends up being killed by Egwene instead.

 

And then Egwene goes half insane and become this dominating Aes Sedai as she is prophesized to be.

[Crael123]

That would be awesome. Gawyn would be my favorite ever.

[Jillain Sanche]

Fascinating! as Spock would say. Thank you, Luckers, and also Terez, for laying out the evidence to date.

 

Kick me if I spill into spoilage here (or edit me), but Gawyn's conflict may come to a head sooner than later. IF he is at hand in Tar Valon when Rand faces Egwene's wrath, such meeting might become precipitous. Yet, by the time that should happen, Nynaeve might be able to bring proof of Rand's innocence in Morgase's alleged death via Traveling (she could bring in one of the other family members who knows the truth). You know of whom I speak, yet out of avoidance of spoilers, I shall just say one of the people in the party of Perrin's current entourage.

 

If it comes to a head with such timing, Gawyn could very well go so far in his anger over his misperceptions, that Egwene's life is narrowly saved.

 

On the other hand, if he finally returns to Caemlyn as he is supposed to do, then said conflict will occur later in time.

 

heh heh Love those build ups!!

[Terez]

Fascinating! as Spock would say. Thank you, Luckers, and also Terez, for laying out the evidence to date.

 

Kick me if I spill into spoilage here (or edit me), but Gawyn's conflict may come to a head sooner than later. IF he is at hand in Tar Valon when Rand faces Egwene's wrath, such meeting might become precipitous.

I suspect that Egwene will send Gawyn away, and that the prophecies will start coming to a head then. She'll have to bond him before he goes. And I think the most likely place for her to send him away is to Caemlyn.

 

Yet, by the time that should happen, Nynaeve might be able to bring proof of Rand's innocence in Morgase's alleged death via Traveling (she could bring in one of the other family members who knows the truth). You know of whom I speak, yet out of avoidance of spoilers, I shall just say one of the people in the party of Perrin's current entourage.

That's not a spoiler - it's from TGS (Rand saw Galad talking to Perrin, and Tam told Rand Morgase was there). But Nynaeve knows nothing of Gawyn's agenda to kill Rand, so there is no reason for her to bring Morgase to Tar Valon. Neither Galad nor Perrin know of that issue, either.

[Jillain Sanche]

Okay yay! Not spoiler (I might be confused on what constitutes such at this point in time) . . .

SO yeah from where we left off TGS, he was still there in Tar Valon. And from what has been released in advance of ToM, we know Rand is heading thataway pretty quick now. Yeah, she has had time to send him away, and might do so based on his lack of the proper attitude toward her as the Amerlyn, let alone Aes Sedai and matured way past merely an Accepted. Last we saw him, he was still waiting to have a talk about their relationship?

 

I think IF he is still there, and IF Rand's appearance/meeting with Egwene sets him into a crazy killing rage, that he might THEN come so close to breaking her neck going after Rand that either Rand's now happy taverenness and/or Egwene's potential to rapidly bond him will be the hair's breadth between his accidentally killing her or a more positive resolution for Gawyn and Egwene.

 

But oh, the anticipation. And I think we will somehow still be surprised by Jordan and Sanderson in the telling.

 

True, Nynaeve is not present, yet does Egwene not still update her close friends in TAR? She by now might have even brought up such a personal subject as Gawyn's conflicted state of mind weighing against the potential for their closer ties?

[Luckers]

Luckers said:

 

Of course Terez follows this own with the suggestion that Gawyn actually will kill Rand, which I don't think is the case--in all of the prophecies about this, none of them refer to a confrontation between Rand and Gawyn, but rather a confrontation between Egwene and Gawyn about Rand.

 

 

 

This last sentence is the flawed logic that led you to this theory.

 

Unless you can provide a prophecy that directly links Gawyn and Rand its not flawed logic. I did not say that this reversely prophesied that Gawyn couldn't kill Rand, I was simply stating that the fact that all of the prophecies involved Egwene and Gawyn fighting, and that this was my basis to leave the concept of Gawyn and Rand fighting, and look instead to Egwene and Gawyn fighting about Rand.

[Terez]

Luckers said:

 

Of course Terez follows this own with the suggestion that Gawyn actually will kill Rand, which I don't think is the case--in all of the prophecies about this, none of them refer to a confrontation between Rand and Gawyn, but rather a confrontation between Egwene and Gawyn about Rand.

 

 

 

This last sentence is the flawed logic that led you to this theory.

 

Unless you can provide a prophecy that directly links Gawyn and Rand its not flawed logic. I did not say that this reversely prophesied that Gawyn couldn't kill Rand, I was simply stating that the fact that all of the prophecies involved Egwene and Gawyn fighting, and that this was my basis to leave the concept of Gawyn and Rand fighting, and look instead to Egwene and Gawyn fighting about Rand.

What I said was that your using the bolded statement as an argument against my interpretation is illogical, and obviously what led you to look for an 'alternate scenario' as to how the drama will unfold. Furthermore, you tie it into a confrontation between Rand and Gawyn anyway, so the mention of it in the first place seems superfluous, as you didn't really do anything different from what I did with the prophecies than concentrate on the possibility that Gawyn will kill Egwene (and then be killed by Rand), rather than on the possibility that Gawyn will kill Rand.

[Luckers]

Except it's not illogical. Or do you deny that every prophecy about this speaks of Gawyn and Egwene, not Gawyn and Rand? I get that its a point you do not like, but the argument retains perfect logical validacy.

 

Also, I get that this is a similar subject, and as such there will be cross over, but if your just looking to talk about your theory maybe start a thread on it or revive the old one. I'm sure there are many out there who would wish to discuss it with you. :)

[Terez]

Except it's not illogical. Or do you deny that every prophecy about this speaks of Gawyn and Egwene, not Gawyn and Rand?

I never did. Which is why your statement never had any real point.

 

I get that this is a similar subject, and as such there will be cross over, but if your just looking to talk about your theory maybe start a thread on it or revive the old one. I'm sure there are many out there who would wish to discuss it with you. :)

Sorry, but if you're going to take shots at my theory in your opening post, then you can't disallow discussion of it in the thread. Well, you can...but you would be quite the ass for it.

[Duskfire]

Luckers, you should have known once you bought up Terez' theory that this thread would derail a bit :P

 

In any case, I tend to agree. I always thought the story reason for Gawyns hated would be to create friction between him and Egwene, and him getting over his hatred is the key; he either will or he won't, and one will lead down a path to Egwenes death, the other to being bonded by her. I dont think that Rand will kill him, simply because Gawyn will get over his hatred and him and Egwene will live happily ever after.

[Val Mickey]

What a gunfight! And when they're not shooting at each other, they're clubbing each other with the butt.

[Baletickle_to_da_face!]

Well, sticking with the original post, I like where you're going Luckers. The way which Egwene treated Gawyn in TGS doesn't seem to get much attention but I think it's important. To be honest, despite some of the good stuff Egwene has done I find her to have a huge character flaw in that she basically takes men, uses them, and then throws them away if they don't fit her at the time. She did it to Rand and she's doing it to Gawyn. And being Amyrlin is no excuse. Elayne and Nyn both have "tough rows to hoe" as they put it, and they don't treat thier men like Egwene has.

 

While many don't seem to want to give credence to the possibility of Gawyn killing Egwene, I would not rule it out. Gawyn drives me nuts too but in his mind he has given over his honor and alligience at least two times over at least for Egwene, and there were times in TGS where she basically treated him like a nuisance. Not to say that Gawyn will think this through and decide that Egwene is a bitch and deserves to die, but I think he is a guy who is on the edge, has given up everything for a woman, and she is treating him very close to crap. Even then, I think it would take a "heat of the moment"( type deal for Gawyn to actually kill Egwene. But ToM seems to set a spark that could ignite Gawyn.

[Luckers]

In any case, I tend to agree. I always thought the story reason for Gawyns hated would be to create friction between him and Egwene, and him getting over his hatred is the key; he either will or he won't, and one will lead down a path to Egwenes death, the other to being bonded by her. I dont think that Rand will kill him, simply because Gawyn will get over his hatred and him and Egwene will live happily ever after

 

I really, really hope she doesn't either. Egwene's one of my favourites--but I like making theories. :D

[moroten]

Good post as always Luckers, enjoyed reading your theories since the day I joined, a couple of years ago :).

 

Man I wish you are right about the Egwene dying part!