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  1. Now that I am done with ToM and the long wait starts for aMoL I am interested in reading some of Brandon's other stuff. I am just curious if there is any preferred order to his books? Elantris, Warbreaker, or should I just start with the Mistborn series?
  2. Oh come on, easy answer! Lini, share with us your wisdom(and no I didn't look all these up, they are compliments of the WoT Encyclopedia).... TDR,Ch48 - Do not cut off your ears because you do not like your earrings. TSR,Ch6 - You can weave silk from pig bristles before you can make a man anything but a man. TSR,Ch6 - A weeping woman is a bucket with no bottom. TSR,Ch16 � Poke the meekest dog too often and he will bite. TFoH,Ch9 - A man is a man, on a throne or in a pigsty. TFoH,Ch10 - A shoat squealing under a fence just attracts the fox, when it should be trying to run. TFoH,Ch10 - Not thinking about a thorn doesn't make it hurt your foot any less. TFoH,Ch13 - A fool puts her hand into a hollow tree without finding what's inside first. TFoH,Ch14 - If you don't look for snakes, you cannot complain when one bites you. TFoH,Ch19 - A gnarled old branch dulls the blade that severs a sapling. TFoH,Ch19 - When the honey's out of the comb, there's no putting it back. TFoH,Ch19 - Better to face the bear than run from it. TFoH,Ch19 - A fool puts a burr under the saddle before she rides. TFoH,Ch19 - Dragging feet never finish a journey. TFoH,Ch34 - You cannot hold the sun down at dawn. TFoH,Ch35 - Even a queen stubs her toe, but a wise woman watches the path. TFoH,Ch47 - Waiting turns men into bears in a barn, and women into cats in a sack. TFoH,Ch49 - An open sack hides nothing, and an open door hides little, but an open man is surely hiding something. TFoH,Ch49 - To know two, you must first know one. TFoH,Ch50 - "Wish" and "want" trip the feet, but "is" makes the path smoother. TFoH,Ch56 - A young lion charges quickest, and when you least expect it. TFoH,Ch56 - There's no point letting honey age too long before you eat it. TFoH,Ch56 - It's too late to change your mind after you've jumped off the cliff. LoC,Prologue - A slow horse does not always reach the end of the journey. LoC,Prologue - The right medicine always tastes bitter. LoC,Ch7 - What can't be changed must be endured. LoC,Ch7 - The pike does not ask the frog's permission before dining. LoC,Ch13 - What you need isn't always what you want. LoC,Ch37 - You can't put honey back in the comb. LoC,Ch39 - Fools only listen to themselves. ACoS,Ch23 - The blindest are those who keep their eyes shut. ACoS,Ch26 - Only fools kiss hornets or bite fire. ACoS,Ch30 - You can never put honey back in the comb. TPoD,Ch2 - Peel the apple in your hand, girl, not the one on the tree. TPoD,Ch2 - Tears are for after; they just waste time before. TPoD,Ch2 - When a woman plays the fool, look for the man. TPoD,Ch2 - Kittens tangle your yarn, men tangle your wits, and it's simple as breathing for both. TPoD,Ch3 - It's one of the things men are for, taking the blame. They usually deserve it, even if you don't know exactly how. TPoD,Ch5 - No knife is sharper than a sister's hate. TPoD,Ch7 - A fool abandons friends, and gives up silver for shiny brass. TPoD,Ch7 - Three things annoy to distraction: a tooth that aches, a shoe that pinches, and a man that chatters. TPoD,Ch20 - Be sure of yourself, girl, but not too sure. TPoD,Ch20 - It isn't the stone you see that trips you on your nose. TPoD,Ch20 - A secret spoken finds wings. WH,Ch6 - Sup from too many dishes, and you deserve a bellyache that'll split you open. WH,Ch9 - A full stomach at midday makes for a dull head in the afternoon. CoT,Ch12 - You count your plums in the basket, not on the tree. CoT,Ch13 - When you ask questions, then you have to hear the answers whether you want to or not. CoT,Ch14 - Always plan ahead, but worry too hard over next year, and you can trip over tomorrow. KoD,Ch13 - You can't put honey back in the comb, child. KoD,Ch14 - You can't know another woman's reasons until you've worn her dress for a year.
  3. 1. As didymos already pointed out, it ususually does mean just that. And in the context of the sentence is seems very, very much to be referring to a physical, rather then a figurative feature. By which I mean the descriptive, literal part of the sentence which refers to the actual "eyes" includes the word "dark" and then the descriptive terms come after in "glassy" and "hard". 2. Even if this were the case, the dark eyes are the only physical trait even suggesting these aren't Aiel! If you take that away, then there is virtually no reason to not think these are corrupted Aiel. Yes, we used this to expand upon the idea into requiring a longterm Aiel presence in the Blight, but the idea really stands on it's own without that. Actually, now that we've gotten this clue, there are so many reasons to do this is almost seems crazy that no one thought of it before. Why have a self sustaining, divergent, clan of Aiel in the Blight that is corrupted and working for the Shadow? 1. Whatever blunders the Forsaken has shown, one thing they have always done at least is show savvy in that they see the value in channelers. The Black Ajah has existed for a long time, and the Shadow dipped it's fingers in on the ground floor when the Black Tower was formed. So, why not have a homegrown group of channelers? 2. Ah, but how to do that? The Blight is a merciless deathtrap for all those who enter. I mean, there's not a hardy group of fearless warriors that have shown themselves to be capable of surviving in the harshest envirionment imaginable...is there? 3. Seeing this, would the Aiel not make a tempting target for Ishy on one of his 40 years trips from the Bore? Lets face it, we have accepted it as a matter of course, but there's really no reason why the Aiel should have a tradition of sending male channelers into the Blight is there? In fact the whole tradition looks a little suspicious when you look at it in this context. Seems like a great little seed for Ishy to plant. These Aiel channelers could be forcefully turned, and then left to breed with borderland hostages. Thier children would then be tainted by the Blight knows what. Thier parents teaching....the food itself? All manner of things. 4. So yeah, I would say a group of loyal supersoldier DF with the bonus of gathering in all the male channelers of that race would be a pretty good plan for the Shadow. How would they guard Moridin's fortress if they were in the Mountains of Dhoom? What about the Blight indicates that they would be able to use it's natural resources to produce material for tents? Assuming that the Aiel would use the same exact survival methods for living in a new envirionment is incorrect. But the trait they have shown, of being adaptable, would fit with building thier habitats out of what is available. As I said, this is one of those things that seems so obvious now. From the Forsaken tea party we know that there are some type of people surviving in the Blight. They are building habitats and farming. We are given a clue that they have been doing this for years, at least. Gran says it's been a long time since she'd been there, and then goes on to make the curious statement that the mysterious farmers "must be trying new strains of crops" meaning someone must have been farming there the last time Gran had been there. So knowing this, even discounting the CRAD's in the epiclogue.....who exactly do you think could/would be surviving and actually showing signs of a livable culture in the Blight? Alright, I think I have made a pretty good case for it without establishing that the missing Aiel DF are definitely missing. So I will say this, it is perfectly possible that we just haven't seen the Aiel DF. Afterall, it's a matter of which PoV we are shown, and the CRAD's themselves are rather conspicious by thier absence in the first 11 books! That said, it's not exactly like this is something that only I've noticed. It has long, loooooong been pondered why exactly the Aiel are the one culture that show almost no sign of DF infiltration. The sneaky Shaido, even with all thier flaws, have been shown through action and PoV to be surprisingly clean from DF. Couladin was a fool, Sevanna was power hungry, and the rest of the scattering of PoV from them we have seen are clean. Sammy had to trick them into using the goof-boxes to scatter them. If I remember right pretty much every Wise One around Sevanna was against trusting Sammy on this offer, so that seems to indicate he didn't have anyone on the inside backing him up. While Sorelea still might have some 'splainin to do on SH discovering Cads stash, both Rhuarc and Amys, long suspected to finally blow the DF lid off the Aiel were shown in ToM to almost certainly not be DF. Rhuarc stood right in front of "peer into your soul" Rand with no reaction, and it's hard to imagine that Amys would still refuse to break cover even when one of the Forsaken was on the line. In fact, I sensed that Brandon was actually having a little fun with us when the Wise Ones kept bleeding out of the walls and coming at Egwene with thier snide comments, but nope. No turncoats there. Actually, while it seems likely that the "glassy" part refers precisely to being turned, my theory doesn't hinge on that fact. In fact, the idea that the Aiel have been longtime inhabitants of the Blight would suggest that there could be male Aiel channelers that don't need to be turned to be loyal to the DO. Granted, there's one piece I hadn't accounted for in my previous statement and that is that none of the characters at the Black Tower were about kill someone. This may be the one time the shadow inside comes alive and expresses a true emotion. Will keep this in mind for the future - however, the evidence as of yet points to them being something else. There is another big thing you are missing here. The PoV from the Black Tower has a reference point from which to base all of thier assumptions. The PoV for the CRAD's has no such reference point. By which I mean, Pevara is Tarna's friend. She has probably seen her laugh, seen her happy, seen her annoyed, and knows her. So when she looks into her eyes, she sees the lack of those things. Which in turn look like a deadness to her. To Barriga, he has no reference point to what these men are like, so he has no reference point to know just how horrible the look in those eyes are. Besides all that, I think we have definitive word from Jordan himself that the assumptions you are making are incorrect. A forceful turning does not change a person completely or make them dead inside(ala a Gray Man). It enhances the negative aspects of that persons personality. Wouldn't you kind of suspect that a reserved Aes Sedai "enhanced negatively" would have more of a "dead" look in her eyes, while an Aiel "enhanced negatively" would take pleasure in killing. Yeah, I am liking this theory not just because it makes sense, but because it makes a LOT of literary sense. I know everyone does not agree, but the more we talk about it, the more I am convinced that this is either..... 1. Aiel channelers sent to the Blight and turned to the Shadow. Something that is reltitively new and small scale and involves only channelers. 2. Something largescale on the order of an entire corrupted clan with thier own culture, cultivated by Ishy(this is my favorite) 3. Alternate reality Aiel that have been shipped in from another dimension(this one is certainly possible, but I like the others because they tie up more loose ends) The more we talk about it, the more I am convinced that there's no way this is Fain's doing, Sharamen, or anything else. This has to be some kind of Aiel.
  4. Really? Because I think the points that we have brought up are pretty strong. I don't find your simple assertion that we are grasping at straws to be very convincing. Perhaps you could give some reasons for why our points are wrong. 1. Do we even know that Melindhra follows any kind of ji'e'toh? What indication of that do we have of that other then what could have been her playing the part? 2. If you would have read what me and others were saying, we were saying that in the precious few bits of info we got about these guys, they seem to have a twisted form of thier own ji'e'toh. Viels, spears, cadin'sor. The unvieling to kill smacks of being a corruption of the Aiel's culture norm. A few more things of interest about this.... -From a book signing tour.... Remember that Jordan himself said RAFO sometimes means "Read what's out and figure it out", not just reading future books. I am not exactly sure what Brandon is saying here if it's not that those CRAD's are what we think they are. -Another small note, I was watching a Discovery channel special last night about the Great Rift Valley in Africa and it had a bit about the Afar people. People who collect the pure salt left over on the land from a long dried sea. And how they get water from isolated hot springs. The springs are high in floride. And the interesting thing about floride is that in small amounts it strengthens teeth, but in large amounts it actually softens them. Allowing the men of the tribe to perform a ritual where they actually chistle thier teeth to points. I just find the ideas of the island of Madmen or Sharans to be completely unsatisfactory. When something looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, why are we calling it a goose?
  5. Power hungry and known to have schemed with a known DF. Still, point taken. It's still not really important in the big picture of what we are talking about.
  6. Brilliant! It's very interesting that you made this connection, and if fits so well. This didn't even cross my mind, though it definitely should have. The only thing that made me make the connection, as I said, was a comment by Jordan(taken from the theoryland interview archive).... Before ToM came out I was reading a lot about Slayer because I was one of the "there's a lot we don't know about Slayer, and what we don't know is going to reveal him as Asmo's killer" people(whoops!). This quote rolled over me, but I always found it suspcious. Why wouldn't his mother raise him? She was a DF, so why the hell wouldn't she raise him? And why RAFO who did raise him? I always assumed it would be a pretty simple answer. That even if his mother didn't raise him he could be raised in a DF house in the northern Borderlands or something. Dancing around it struck me as being suggestive of his raising being somewhere in the Blight. And TGS made me even more suspicious with it's seemingly inhabited fortress. Discussing this idea about the Blight just kinda made it click in my head that an Aiel clan in the Blight would make a perfect place to be raised for a young Isam/Slayer. The fact that you would independantly throw out an idea like the WO schooling him on TAR that fits so well is a pretty good indication that we are on the right track imho.
  7. Assuming this DF sept of Aiel was founded by turning the Aiel men who could channel and went north to fight the dark one, they'd need women to continue their sept. It's alot easier to capture women from the borderlands or Shara then it is from the waste. So their descendants have darker features than the original Aiel. Exactly. At this point, the only thing that even really suggests that they aren't Aiel is the eye color, and this explanation pegs that one. It also fits well with being a plan of Ishy/Moridin. Since we know that he's the one that's been thinking longterm since he was locked up. He could have initiated the Aiel in the Blight plan any time he was free along with his Seanchan plan, and likely his forming the Black Ajah(which in turn could have turned Aiel channelers to start, and then set a "culture" on a path that would have been self-sustaining, but tainted). The other differences like sharp teeth, red viel, and unvieling to kill really enhance the impression that these are Aiel....but different. Not that these are not Aiel at all. It suggests a longterm divergence of "culture" that could have been created in a Blight bound Aiel sept. Interesting sidenote: I beleive that Jordan was dodgey when asked who exactly it was who raised Isam after they were overrun. A clan of Aiel inhabiting the Blight seem good candidates. I really would suggest that anyone puzzling over this go back and read the Forsaken tea party in The Gathering Storm. There does seem to be some tastey clues buried in there. The whole setting itself suggests very, very much that those talking about inhabitable zones in the Blight are dead on. Moridin has his little fortress in the Blight, and not only does it seem "habitable", but it has "guards" that have to stay on duty to protect Moridin's fortress from certain monsters of the Blight that follow no one, not even Moridin. The question is....who exactly are the guards? Could they be of the Aiel sept we're talking about? Seems like a likely choice, since up until then we haven't really seen Moridin with an organized army of Randland DF that he's transplanted into the Blight. Here's the interesting quote(it's a Graendal PoV)..... While the details of the guards aren't a perfect match, I think it is still possible(they both where black and the used of the word "prowled" suggests these are not just normal DF guards). But this passage clearly shows that some kind of people are trying to inhabit the Blight. And the bolded part pretty much clinches that whatever it is, it is the same as what Perrin and co. found.
  8. *Mind is blown* How the hell did this thread get even this far without someone talking about the "There is ______ in the Blight"?! This has been discussed at length, and we were given a good indication that there is indeed a Portal Stone in the Blight, but that has always seemed anticlimatic and didn't really fit with the context of the story we have heard from team Jordan. Now, tell me this doesn't sound perfect......"There's a sept of Aiel darkfriends in the Blight". "There's a what?!". *hours of details follow* This makes perfect sense now, it answers quite a few questions, and fits perfectly(not to mention it is a much more satisifying answer then I ever saw anyone else guess). Some notes.... -As someone mentioned on this thread, but didn't quite tie together all the pieces, this would include a lot of Aiel, not just channelers. As a lot of Aiel go to the Blight for joyrides. And yes, there could very well be an encourgement for DF Aiel to slip out and go on these excurisions. But here is where the things really snap into place; we have seen every nationality and race be rife with DF...the Aiel are the single exception. People keep suspecting Rhuarc or Amys or others, but after ToM we are more sure then ever that that's just not the case. Where are all the DF Aiel? With a few exceptions, they are in the Blight! -Go back and read the Forsaken tea party in The Gathering Storm. All of those that are guessing that Dem's rule is anywhere in the Blight are almost surely mistaken. Not only is it made pretty clear that everything in the Blight is directly under Moridin's control, Moridin also wants a status update on Dem's rule. I just don't see anything in the Blight being out of Ishy's view. Now that it's looking like the Borderland army was a red herring all along, I am digging the idea of Dem marshalling an alternate reality. There just doesn't seem to be anyone left for Dem to be in charge of.
  9. We may never know the answer, but I've gotten the impression that what is given is not really the choice of the foxes. I may be wrong. But it seems like the items they have given out have been rather mish mash. I don't think the requests are made, and then the foxes decide what they are going to make. Either they somehow have a vast hodgepodge of items dealing with the power they they pick through and have to take what works for the situation, or(I like this one better) perhaps the agreement between humans and foxes creates some kind of "random item generator". The human makes thier request, the foxes add thier intent, and the item is forged in a random mix of those things. So that the human doesn't get exactly what they might want, but the foxes don't have complete control over what gets made either. Cause lets face it, there's no reason that the foxes HAD to give Mat a foxhead medallion that negates the power, or a blade on a stick that is a quarterstaff(the melee weapon we had already seen Mat be proficient with) that just turns out to fulfill a basically unrelated request. There is some kind of randomness going on there, I think. The funny thing is that I didn't even realize until I posted that last sentence that it's exactly the kind of process that you would expect Mat to get a great outcome from! If the exact items are some kind of random generation, then you would expect Mat to hit the figurative jackpot!
  10. Not sure if it's been discussed, but I do think I remember the quote. If so, it's probably the Noam thing. It's funny how obvious that answer was and no one seemed to figure it out. Ties into Jordan's theme of how you can't trust anyones opinion in the series just because they speak it authoritatively. I think most took Moiraine's word with too much authority. Just another example of great sublty from Jordan.
  11. One of the few times when i thought Siuan might be a bit dumb. What´s the point of the oaths anyway? To get people to trust them? Nobody does. Everybody knows they only follow the letter and not the spirit of the oaths. I tend to agree. I had to repeat the point, but I think Jordan tried to make too much out of this. What should have been a fairly straightforward, decent "oh cool, so that's why this is such and such" was turned into this big thing. Suian gives a great, impassioned speech that I think had a lot of valid points. Lemme see if I can find it.... Suian is certainly correct in that a unifying set of ideals is important to an organization to bring order and meaning. However, even when you take away the big practical problem of halving lifespans for the sake of these oaths, I still find the ideological basis for them to be suspect if not downright pointless. The only one that really does anything of meaning is the one that forbids sisters from using the One Power as a weapon. Though the fact that sisters can still intimidate anyone from rulers to beggars with the One Power(weaves of Air and the like) into doing what they want, this one basically becomes, "Though shalt not kill in cold blood with the One Power"(simce you can use it in defense of your life or your Warder's). Seems like maybe some morals and a strictly enforced rule might be enough to tackle that one. The one preventing sisters from creating weapons with the power from the beginning has seemed such a throwaway for me. Is it really that important? So a guy has to sharpen his sword or buy a new one instead of having a perma-sword. Oh noes, break out the oaths! And finally, the monument to hypocrisy and Aes Sedai's legacy of adhering to the letter of a law rather then the spirit, the oath about not lying. Can't decide if it's sad or just funny that they think this oath instills a sense of trust in the general population! I get the mentality that "well, they know when it comes right down to it that if a sister says something straight out, they mean it!". But you know what, the fact is that we have repeatedly seen from pretty much everyone that the actual result is that unless a sister says something straight out, no one beleives ANYTHING they say, and even when they say it straight out, everyone looks for loop holes! Funny(or maybe just said) because no one reacts with anything but respect and trust when the Wise Ones say something! All in all, I find it just kind of dissapointing. Jordan clearly fell on the side of the three oaths. So much so that he gave Suian this big speech that I really think was meant to be inspiring and meaningful and a testament to what virtues the Aes Sedai stands for. But to a point, I think the three oaths(and especially the lying bit) is a testament to what is wrong with Aes Sedai.
  12. The oath rod thing is something that I think Jordan meant to be a big reveal in later books, but it was one of his flops, I think. He spread it too thin over too long a timeframe. So much so that instead of being a "oh wow!" reveal it's something that was revealed so poorly that a lot of people don't even seem to realize that it was a reveal at all. To tell the truth, I probably wouldn't either if I didn't read a lot of the FAQ stuff. The three oaths were not a part of the AoL Aes Sedai. The purpose and organization of Aes Sedai was completely different in the AoL, so there really would have been no reason for the three oaths. The reason that the Forsaken show amusement and a little disdain for the oaths is that the oath rod that the Aes Sedai see as a honor and center of ceremony was actually a binding rods in the AoL, and used on convicted criminals! Just some other tidbits.... -Being binded by the oaths basically halves the lifespan of the Aes Sedai. This is why it was signifigant that the women of the Kin lived 600 years. They weren't bound by the oaths. -The binding effect of the oath rod is what gives the Aes Sedai thier ageless look. It's basically a facelift type effect where the binding physically pulls the skin tight. -This was the basis for the brief back and forth between Egwene and Suian about whether the Aes Sedai should give up the three oaths(because it was halving thier lifespan). -Suian was able to convince Egwene that the oaths were important to define what it is to be Aes Sedai, so Egwene is back on board for keeping with tradition, with the possibility of allowing retiring Aes Sedai to be unbound, hopefully lengthening thier lifespan. I think that about sums it up. Anything important I missed?
  13. I found that The Gathering Storm brough a new energy to the series with a new voice, backed by RJ's masterful worldbuilding and plot twists. I said that it would take some rereads, but I felt The Gathering Storm would be my 2nd favorite in the series behind The Shadow Rising. I worried when everyone was saying that ToM was a lot different then TGS. That it was much bigger in scope and less focused. Boy, it's funny how things turn out because I am now more certain that TGS will not be my second favorite in the series, it's almost certainly ToM. One thing I loved about ToM is that the book is just simple never not good. Even TGS had a slow boil the first 10 chapters or so. But ToM doesn't have that. Even the early chapters are either fast paced, or shoved full of longtime WoTnerd revealgasms. I think what I really love about ToM is that both in spirit and substance it is a sequel to the big 3 TSR/tFoH/LoC. So much of what happens in ToM feels like a direct conclusion of those books. The books inbetween feel like footnotes. On top of that, the writing is just amazing. The book contains an emotional impact that I don't think any of the others have short of TSR(I think I said the same thing about TGS last year, but wow....even better). Just amazed that this book is as good as it is.....I never thought TSR could be rivaled for me, but ToM is close.
  14. I love how so many here are either.... 1. So convinced this isn't a bigger deal then Asmo's killer 2. What's the big deal, I knew there was something up with that thing! First off, Asmo's killer is nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch. Inconsequential to the story. Jordan thought it was obvious, and there was a time that even after the fandom went nuts about it, he wasn't even going to bother answering it in the books. Brandon, as was I, was a reader who never even cared about who Asmo's killer was until I came online and saw others making such a big fuss about it. The ONLY way in which you could say that Asmo's killer was a bigger deal was in the specific case that it's something that the hardcore fandom frothed over. But there was never any qualifier needed from Brandon to confirm this, since by it's very nature, the BUT was not going to be as big in a fandom sense as Asmo's killer since Brandon said that he'd never even really seen the BUT discussed. Secondly, I love that people act like this wasn't a big deal because they knew something was up. Yeah, just like how we knew something was up with Verin. Just like how we should have seen the "plain as the nose on your face" explanation for why Noam went wolf and Elyas didn't. The answer is really easy to see after you've gotten the answer. A shame that all of you that knew there was something up with the Ashandarei don't have thread links to how you broke down exactly how and why. I am not saying that none of you knew, but I remember on Terez's thread when she spilled the beans that they had messed up and the previous "definitely not one of these" list for the BUT turned into the "definitely one of these" list(and thus making for some of the most precise guessing for the BUT after we had been put on the wrong path for so long). I remember a grand total of one guy even getting anywhere close to this rationale. Tying together the fact that each item Mat was given corresponded to his wishes. And if I remember right, the guy theorized that perhaps the Ashandarei protected against the True Power or something. Which was good reasoning, but still wrong. That all said, I don't think it was that big of a deal either. Not in the sense that I am dissapointed, but I found it to be one of the many satisfying reveals in this book, and not particularly more mindblowing then some. I think the reason Brandon seemed to hype it is simply because Brandon's favorite character is Mat! And Mat has all these cool doodads from the 'finn. Imagine Brandon's headslapper reaction when Mat's cool, signature weapon turned out to be more then just a cool way to give Mat a unique, badass weapon. Brandon's only, completely understandable, mistake here imho was expecting everyone to be quite as excited as he was when he first read about it.
  15. No, Tuon's word is not all we have to go on... Miraj knows what the "pure" form of the prophecies are(i.e, the current Seanchan version), and they are different then the current Randland version. It is not interpretation, it is different. Period. When you actually look at the facts, it is almost sad in how clearly the Seanchan have been manipulated. The prophecies were known in Seanchan even before Luthair Paendrag. But they were a corrupted version, supposedly. And we know that the propechies everyone has in Randland also predate even the formation of Seanchan....and they are also corrupted, supposedly. So by thier own logic two independent versions of the prophecies are the corrupt ones, and the Seanchan version is the "pure" one! And I would like to say again, that we have neither motive nor ability for people from Randland to corrupt these prophecies. They are largely a taboo subject about the rebirth of a dreaded figure that has broke and will break the world. What do they care if he kneels to the crystal throne(oh, and by the way, what's a crystal throne?)? Then Luthair(someone Ishy had ample oppurtunity to corrupt or at least influence) "consoladated" Seanchan and one of his actions was to bring a "pure" form of the prophecies. One gets the image of mass book burnings and putting scholars to death when reading that sentence. A consoladation is EXACTLY the kind of atmosphere that would provide both motive and means to eradicate the original form of the prophecies for a corrupt version. Again, we have niether means nor motive for the Randland or pre-Luthair Seanchan prophecies to be corrupted, we have both means and multiple possibile motives for the Luthair version of the prophecies to be corrupted. It should be pointed out that beyond any logical deductions, it seems a clear plot insertion by RJ for Miraj to even mention in his own head that before Luthair there was a supposedly corrupted version of the prophecies. This really strikes me as an intentional inclusion to clinch the fact that the current Seanchan version is the odd man out. And now, we have the result that the "pure" form of the prophecies is known to have at least one huge difference from the prophecies of Randland. Like I said, it's one of those "so obvious to everyone but the brainwashed beleivers" things that it's almost sad.
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