Galad's PoV

[Vayna]

Thanks for the quote. That's what I get for posting without checking the source first. :) I was just too excited about all the new material!

[Charlz Guybon]

So, anyone have an idea what's gonna happen with the Seanchan with Asunawa? They're the biggest stumbling bock in my opinion.

[Kaznen]

1. Of all the people to put under the Question and actually NOT break, I think Galad is the perfect choice. It is IMPOSSIBLE for him to do the wrong thing NO MATTER WHAT. So, he won't be able to like, even under the WORST QUESTIONING!

 

 

I have a feeling if it goes all the way Galad will end up in a "more weight" situation. For him to live he will have to be rescued.

[TheAngryDruid]

1. Of all the people to put under the Question and actually NOT break, I think Galad is the perfect choice. It is IMPOSSIBLE for him to do the wrong thing NO MATTER WHAT. So, he won't be able to like, even under the WORST QUESTIONING!

 

 

I have a feeling if it goes all the way Galad will end up in a "more weight" situation. For him to live he will have to be rescued.

 

I really liked Galad's scene. He has really developed nicely, and has his priorities in order, despite his grief over Morgase and his distaste for the Tower and the Dragon. Unlike, say, Gawyn.

 

I think the observations about the parallels between him and Egwene are spot on. Min DID say Galad and Egwene were tied together. Might they heal the rift between the Children and the Tower? With an assist from Elayne/Morgase/Perrin?

[Jimmy]

I had a thought about the buildings and landscapes changing. We know fromthe past book or two that buildings are changing; hallways changing and rooms disappearing

Now from Galads pov, we see that the landscape is changing as well.

Something that Galad mentioned about a lot of firewood being available tickled my memory and reminded menor when rand loop and Hurin were taken to the worlds of if through he portal stones. What if the dark ones touch on the pattern is causing barriers between 'the worlds of if' to weaken and what we are really seeing happens to be buildings that are a mix between reality and one of he IF worlds?

[Graendal probably did it]

I really liked the Galad scene in the prologue. I was intrigued with the land and trees changing, it reminded me of the white tower changing due to the touch of the dark one. I also enjoyed his reference to "dead mules" floating down the river, I missed this on my first listen. I wonder if this was written by Brandon as a homage to RJ? Or whether RJ put it in himself?

 

I personally think that Asunawa was a DF all along, he is certainly power hungry enough. It's hard to tell with whitecloaks they are so reactionary and illogical that almost all of their actions could be seen in an evil light.

[perrin51]

I really liked the Galad scene in the prologue. I was intrigued with the land and trees changing, it reminded me of the white tower changing due to the touch of the dark one. I also enjoyed his reference to "dead mules" floating down the river, I missed this on my first listen. I wonder if this was written by Brandon as a homage to RJ? Or whether RJ put it in himself?

 

I personally think that Asunawa was a DF all along, he is certainly power hungry enough. It's hard to tell with whitecloaks they are so reactionary and illogical that almost all of their actions could be seen in an evil light.

 

 

Are we sure that the land is changed in Galad's POV. It is intirely possible that the scout was lying to Galad. He did lead him and his Whitecloaks unerringly into a trap. It is not like they had to search around for Asuwana. They emerged from swamp and there was Asuwana. I think that the scouts used the fact that some things are changing to allay Galad's suspisions to betray Galad and the now exhausted Whitecloaks. If that is the case it was quite ingeneous.

[Jimmy]

I seem to remember Galad mentioning 2 things about he land changing (at work so I can't chk)

One was crossing a river that wasn't on the map

The other was the swamp being much larger then it was suppose to be

It could be the scouts misleading them but I don't think that is the case.

[perrin51]

I seem to remember Galad mentioning 2 things about he land changing (at work so I can't chk)

One was crossing a river that wasn't on the map

The other was the swamp being much larger then it was suppose to be

It could be the scouts misleading them but I don't think that is the case.

 

I have been mulling this over and that is why I made the connection. Galad admits to himself that the trip through the swamp was a delaying tactic, initially thought of by the scouts. It seem to be more the mere happenstance that they came out of the swamp exactly where they needed to be. How could they if the land was changing and how could Asuwana find them. There had to some kind of communication, but changing landscape would make that immensely more challenging.

[Terrel88]

With regard to Asunawa, is it possible that he was infected with Fain's "touch"? We know that Fain worked on Pedron Niall, and got him to send Whitecloaks to the Two Rivers. As we've seen from Asunawa, he is fiercely supportive of the Light and works against "the Shadow", which is reminiscent of what Mordeth did at Aridhol. Anyway, feel free to flame :)

[Charlz Guybon]

I seem to remember Galad mentioning 2 things about he land changing (at work so I can't chk)

One was crossing a river that wasn't on the map

The other was the swamp being much larger then it was suppose to be

It could be the scouts misleading them but I don't think that is the case.

 

I have been mulling this over and that is why I made the connection. Galad admits to himself that the trip through the swamp was a delaying tactic, initially thought of by the scouts. It seem to be more the mere happenstance that they came out of the swamp exactly where they needed to be. How could they if the land was changing and how could Asuwana find them. There had to some kind of communication, but changing landscape would make that immensely more challenging.

Galad mentions he had memorized maps of the land when he was younger, so I think he would know if he was being played.

[Jimmy]

If my theory is correct, it would allow the world to return to something near normal after the dark one is locked away. Minus any damage done to buildings and landscape of course

[Cut Strand]

1. Of all the people to put under the Question and actually NOT break, I think Galad is the perfect choice. It is IMPOSSIBLE for him to do the wrong thing NO MATTER WHAT. So, he won't be able to like, even under the WORST QUESTIONING!

 

 

I have a feeling if it goes all the way Galad will end up in a "more weight" situation. For him to live he will have to be rescued.

Yeah... Galad is screwed.

 

Someone mentioned Perrin as a possible rescuer, I suppose it is possible that the Asha'man with him could aid in a snatch and grab, but even if they figured out the Gateway hop trick Rand used to quickly learn an area, they still have to sneak in to get Galad.

 

And what are the odds Galad will go? Galad gave his word that he would prove his innocence, leaving Asunawa alive just keeps the Children of the Light pinned down.

 

What needs to be done (and it was done, so this kind of feels like a rehash to keep Galad's character busy) is for the Children to be united behind a man that isn't a d-bag. This subplot seems to be a way to kill off Asunawa (either literally or politically breaking his power) and bring all of the Children behind Galad to get their a$$es at the blight border in preparation for the Last Battle. Anything else would just be slapping Galad out of sight (again, in which case, why not ignore Galad and just assume he got to the Blight).

[Barid Bel Medar]

1. Of all the people to put under the Question and actually NOT break, I think Galad is the perfect choice. It is IMPOSSIBLE for him to do the wrong thing NO MATTER WHAT. So, he won't be able to like, even under the WORST QUESTIONING!

 

 

I have a feeling if it goes all the way Galad will end up in a "more weight" situation. For him to live he will have to be rescued.

Yeah... Galad is screwed.

 

Someone mentioned Perrin as a possible rescuer, I suppose it is possible that the Asha'man with him could aid in a snatch and grab, but even if they figured out the Gateway hop trick Rand used to quickly learn an area, they still have to sneak in to get Galad.

 

And what are the odds Galad will go? Galad gave his word that he would prove his innocence, leaving Asunawa alive just keeps the Children of the Light pinned down.

 

What needs to be done (and it was done, so this kind of feels like a rehash to keep Galad's character busy) is for the Children to be united behind a man that isn't a d-bag. This subplot seems to be a way to kill off Asunawa (either literally or politically breaking his power) and bring all of the Children behind Galad to get their a$$es at the blight border in preparation for the Last Battle. Anything else would just be slapping Galad out of sight (again, in which case, why not ignore Galad and just assume he got to the Blight).

 

Considering he is with Perrin in the Stone of Tear at the end of tGS, i would say he has a very good chance...

[Stevros]

What I can't wait for is Galad to see Morgase and Perrin to find out he has had a Queen working for him as a maid. Now that will be amusing..

[Cut Strand]

Considering he is with Perrin in the Stone of Tear at the end of tGS, i would say he has a very good chance...

Perrin wasn't in Tear in the Gathering Storm. Perrin was escorting all those refuges and his Asha'man were too tired to make large Gateways for long periods of time.

 

Only Tam went to Tear.

 

But I don't really think Perrin will be the rescuer (someone else suggested it, and while I think Perrin and his two Asha'man would be very capable of it, way more than Elayne or other Aes Sedai), I think he is too far away*.

 

"Too far away*" -- It depends where Galad is taken. If he is taken to Amador, Perrin is way too far away to help. And I think Galad's men made it to Ghealdan or Murandy near Andor when he was taken. Which makes me think that a few of his men will try to reach Caemlyn.

 

Then it becomes Elayne's problem, which might be interesting. Will she ask the Black Tower for help? Rand? Just send an army? Of those I think the army would be the most disastrous option as a conventional attack would cost a lot of lives. Taim might just send a large force to utterly crush the Whitecloaks, which would be a diplomatic catastrophe. Asunawa is surely taking Galad to the Amador. And Amadicia is part of the Seanchan holdings now (but maybe Rand is over trying to be diplomatic with the Seanchan).

 

Why would Taim send a massive attack force if asked to help rescue Galad? Because:

1. If Taim is a darkfriend, killing a bunch of Seanchan soldiers is a blow against the forces of the Light. Plus it helps ruin Rand's negotiating power.

2. If Taim is not a darkfriend (but still a jerk), Taim gets to best the Seanchan, which Rand has failed twice now (once in A Path of Daggers because the One Power was funk-ified by the bowl of the winds, and again in The Gathering Storm when he botched the negotiation). So beating the Seanchan lets Taim triumph where Rand failed.

[Barid Bel Medar]

Considering he is with Perrin in the Stone of Tear at the end of tGS, i would say he has a very good chance...

Perrin wasn't in Tear in the Gathering Storm. Perrin was escorting all those refuges and his Asha'man were too tired to make large Gateways for long periods of time.

 

Only Tam went to Tear.

 

It makes no difference, Galad is with Perrin.

[Cut Strand]

Considering he is with Perrin in the Stone of Tear at the end of tGS, i would say he has a very good chance...

Perrin wasn't in Tear in the Gathering Storm. Perrin was escorting all those refuges and his Asha'man were too tired to make large Gateways for long periods of time.

 

Only Tam went to Tear.

 

It makes no difference, Galad is with Perrin.

Oh! Now I get it. After reading Luckers's Chapters 1-7 speculation thread, I now get what BBM means about Galad being with Perrin.

 

I assumed that the Prologue took place after The Gathering Storm (which is actually kind of ridiculous given past books). I took his presence with Perrin to imply that Galad had already met with Perrin, but had moved on.

 

Yeah, Perrin running into Byar and Dain will be interesting.

[nnokwoodeye]

I think Asunawa got himself into a bit of a bind here. Galad put doubts into the minds of the other lord captions and he has 7000 soldiers loyal to him. Asunawa would need to get a confession fast; otherwise the rest of the children would become convinced that Galad is innocent and would demand his release.

[Barid Bel Medar]

Considering he is with Perrin in the Stone of Tear at the end of tGS, i would say he has a very good chance...

Perrin wasn't in Tear in the Gathering Storm. Perrin was escorting all those refuges and his Asha'man were too tired to make large Gateways for long periods of time.

 

Only Tam went to Tear.

 

It makes no difference, Galad is with Perrin.

Oh! Now I get it. After reading Luckers's Chapters 1-7 speculation thread, I now get what BBM means about Galad being with Perrin.

 

I assumed that the Prologue took place after The Gathering Storm (which is actually kind of ridiculous given past books). I took his presence with Perrin to imply that Galad had already met with Perrin, but had moved on.

 

Yeah, Perrin running into Byar and Dain will be interesting.

 

Most likely my fault, sorry. I sometimes leave out explainations. Some things that I know off the top of my head arnt as important or known to others. So I most likely just assumed you had picked up on it hahaha. Sorry bout that.

[Luckers]

I assumed that the Prologue took place after The Gathering Storm (which is actually kind of ridiculous given past books). I took his presence with Perrin to imply that Galad had already met with Perrin, but had moved on.

 

You know, whilst I think it unlikely, this thought never occured to me. And it is theoretically possible--more so given Graendal and Mat's timing.

 

I hope not though. I had enough issues about it being casually mentioned that Morgase was unveiled in tGS, if it happens completely offscreen I'll be a sad panda.

[Barid Bel Medar]

I assumed that the Prologue took place after The Gathering Storm (which is actually kind of ridiculous given past books). I took his presence with Perrin to imply that Galad had already met with Perrin, but had moved on.

 

You know, whilst I think it unlikely, this thought never occured to me. And it is theoretically possible--more so given Graendal and Mat's timing.

 

I hope not though. I had enough issues about it being casually mentioned that Morgase was unveiled in tGS, if it happens completely offscreen I'll be a sad panda.

 

haha sad panda.

 

The thought never occured to me either. Though i agree its near impossible.

 

Every single PoV we have in the Prologue and Mats chapter has been pre-VoG moment. So i somehow find it difficult to believe that they would randomly skip ahead for Galad.

 

However, in light of this, I understand where the post was comming from now. I am no longer confused :)

[Kaznen]

I think Asunawa got himself into a bit of a bind here. Galad put doubts into the minds of the other lord captions and he has 7000 soldiers loyal to him. Asunawa would need to get a confession fast; otherwise the rest of the children would become convinced that Galad is innocent and would demand his release.

The Questioners already know the truth, they are just looking for a confession. Thom said something like that to Nynaeve in tEotW when she threatened to run to the whitecloaks to get the four away from Mo.

 

Asunawa "knows" Galad is a darkfriend or is manipulated by darkfriends. If the Lord Captains become convinced Galad is innocent Asunawa still has the Seanchan forces and the Questioners to keep them in line.

 

I think he'll do the questioning himself and become frustrated because Galad won't break. And I think when Asunawa has done what he has never had to do before and to go further would kill the suspect they take a break so Galad can talk he'll ask him if he's a df and Galad wil give a "more weight" type answer. Well, Galad can't be innocent because Asunawa "knows" he's a df.

 

So I think rescue is the only option, and Galad will not like he has to be rescued.

[Cut Strand]

I think Asunawa got himself into a bit of a bind here. Galad put doubts into the minds of the other lord captions and he has 7000 soldiers loyal to him. Asunawa would need to get a confession fast; otherwise the rest of the children would become convinced that Galad is innocent and would demand his release.

The Questioners already know the truth, they are just looking for a confession. Thom said something like that to Nynaeve in tEotW when she threatened to run to the whitecloaks to get the four away from Mo.

 

Asunawa "knows" Galad is a darkfriend or is manipulated by darkfriends. If the Lord Captains become convinced Galad is innocent Asunawa still has the Seanchan forces and the Questioners to keep them in line.

 

I think he'll do the questioning himself and become frustrated because Galad won't break. And I think when Asunawa has done what he has never had to do before and to go further would kill the suspect they take a break so Galad can talk he'll ask him if he's a df and Galad wil give a "more weight" type answer. Well, Galad can't be innocent because Asunawa "knows" he's a df.

 

So I think rescue is the only option, and Galad will not like he has to be rescued.

I think the bigger issue is that Galad will be upset that he wasn't vindicated.

 

Being rescued without being declared innocent is tantamount to admitting guilt. That is the big problem for Galad.

 

But if the prologue is indeed before Tam is brought to Rand, then we already know the rough outcome. Which seems to take the drama from the situation.

[nnokwoodeye]

I think Asunawa got himself into a bit of a bind here. Galad put doubts into the minds of the other lord captions and he has 7000 soldiers loyal to him. Asunawa would need to get a confession fast; otherwise the rest of the children would become convinced that Galad is innocent and would demand his release.

The Questioners already know the truth, they are just looking for a confession. Thom said something like that to Nynaeve in tEotW when she threatened to run to the whitecloaks to get the four away from Mo.

 

Asunawa "knows" Galad is a darkfriend or is manipulated by darkfriends. If the Lord Captains become convinced Galad is innocent Asunawa still has the Seanchan forces and the Questioners to keep them in line.

 

Let's look at the situation through the eyes of the Seanchan commander that was sent to babysit the whithcloacks. In one side there is a crazy sociopath that is loated by his own troops and thinks he has a monopoly on truth; on the other side there is a well disciplined, well respected soldier who has connection to the Andorian royal family. If they would believe that Galad would serve them they just might get rid of Asunawa themselves.