Cadsuane and Nynaeve's Ter'angreal

[Luckers]

I will post a quick list of their description and use, and then below a more detailed citation.

 

Cadsuane’s Ter'angreal

 

Possessed originally by the wilder, Norla, who made Cadsuane 'earn them'. It is not entirely certain what 'earning them' entailed, just that it taught Cadsuane the lesson that 'what must be endured, can be endured'.

 

1. Eight-pointed Star - Vibrates when a man who can channel is nearby. Vibrates more violently as you increase the number of men who can channel who are nearby.

 

2. Hummingbird - Is a Well which allows a person to store an amount of saidar for use later. This allows someone inside Far Madding (and presumably a stedding) to channel anyway, and RJ has also confirmed that it would allow someone who has been shielded to channel. Cadsuane's well does not contain very much saidar, and she has taught herself to be very exact in her use of it.

 

3. Swallow - Detects channeling and indicates direction of channeler. Does not detect cross-gender links. This, according to RJ, is because it was made during the Breaking to find men who can channel. A man in a link would not be a threat as he would already have placed himself at the mercy of a woman.

 

4. Shrike - Angreal

 

5. First Fish - Possibly breaks a distant weave (the way she took out Semirhage)**

 

6. Second Fish - Use Unknown to Cadsuane.

 

7. Third Fish - Use Unknown to Cadsuane.

 

8. Two intertwined Moons - Will disrupt direct weaves (like Mat's medallion).

 

9. A Crescent Moon - Use Unknown to Cadsuane.

 

10. Unmentioned Star - (The stars were mentioned in plural) Possibly breaks a distant weave (the way she took out Semirhage)**

 

These are all the ter'angreal that have been listed or implied, though she may still have more.

 

**It's unknown which ter'angreal allowed her to break Semirhage’s disguise though my money is on the Fish because Cadsuane states that she doesn't know the use of 'two of her fish' suggesting she knows the use of the third. Still, it is uncertain.

 

Nynaeve’s Ter'angreal

 

Found in the Ebou Dar stash, and identified by Elayne as ter'angreal a woman might wear if she expected to be attacked at any moment. It should be noted that the box in which it was found had spaces for more jewellery, and as such that the set it not complete.

 

It should be noted that unlike Cadsuane's ter'angreal, those listed here as 'use unknown' are unknown to us. They may well be known to Nynaeve.

 

1. Rings and Bracelet - Angreal (and quite a strong one, apparently). Oddly its size seems to alter to fit the hand of whoever is wearing it.

 

2. Long Necklace with Rubies - Use Unknown**

 

3. Belt with Rubies - Is a Well, which allows a person to store an amount of saidar for use later. This allows someone inside Far Madding (and presumably a stedding) to channel anyway, and RJ has also confirmed that it would allow someone who has been shielded to channel. Nynaeve's Well can contain more saidar than Cadsuane's.

 

4. Bracelet with Rubies - Covers the user with armour made from Air. We have not seen this used so we do not know how effective it is, but Nynaeve states that whilst wearing it she would barely feel a sword blow. We do not know the detail to which this was tested, and Nynaeve does have a tendency to exagerate things, so it remains uncertain. There are other questions as well--for instance how mobile would someone be whilst armoured so?

 

5. First Bracelet with Emeralds - Use Unknown**

 

6. Second Bracelet with Emeralds - Use Unknown**

 

7. First Ring with Green Stones (one single stone) - Detects channeling as much as three miles away, and vibrates differently for saidin or saidar (note: If the person has their weaves inverted then apparently the ring can't tell the difference between saidin and saidar). Cadsuane believes the ring should also indicate direction (likely because her swallow does so), but we've never seen any indication that this is possible.

 

8. Second Ring with Green Stones - Use Unknown**

 

9. First Ring with Saphires (one single saphire) - Goes cold when someone nearby is feeling hostile or angry. Nynaeve states that it does not indicate which person is feeling hostile or angry, nor does it differentiate between the two feelings.

 

10. Second Ring with Saphires - Use Unknown**

 

Unlike Cadsuane we know this to be every piece in Nynaeve's collection.

 

**One of the unknown ter'angreal breaks direct weaves, like Mat's medallion.

 

Cadsuane's Ter'angreal; Citations.

 

Cadsuane’s

 

1. Eight-pointed Star.

 

Physical Description: [CoT; 23, Ornaments]

Description of Use: [CoT; 23, Ornaments]

Other Details: None.

 

2. Hummingbird.

 

Physical Description: [WH; 34, The Humingbirds Secret]

Description of Use: [WH; 34, The Humingbirds Secret]

Other Details: RJ's quote on it being used when shielded;-

 

Q: Can someone channel from a Well while shielded?

 

RJ: Yes, they could. If they had the Well.

 

[tarvalon.net Q&A 26th of Febuary 2003, found through the Theoryland Interview Database]

 

3. Swallow

 

Physical Description: [WH; 35, With the Choedan Kal]

Description of Use: [WH; 35, With the Choedan Kal]

Other Details: None.

 

4. Shrike

 

Physical Description: [WH; 35, With the Choedan Kal]

Description of Use: [WH; 35, With the Choedan Kal]

Other Details: None.

 

5. First Fish

 

Physical Description: [CoT; 23, Ornaments]

Description of Use: [CoT; 23, Ornaments] - implication that she knows the use of this fish, but no specifics on what that is.

Other Details: The breaking of a distant weave occurs in [KoD, 27, A Plain Wooden Box]

 

6. Second Fish

 

Physical Description: [CoT; 23, Ornaments]

Description of Use: [CoT; 23, Ornaments] - specifies use unknown.

Other Details: None.

 

7. Third Fish

 

Physical Description: [CoT; 23, Ornaments]

Description of Use: [CoT; 23, Ornaments] - specifies use unknown.

Other Details: None.

 

8. Two intertwined Moons

 

Physical Description: [tPoD; 12, New Alliances]

Description of Use: Comes in parts.

 

1. [tPoD; 12, New Alliances] The moons are described as cool on Cadsuane's temple when Alanna embraces saidar. Note: Mat's Medallion goes cool when people touch the Source near him.

2. [KoD; 7, A Cold Medallion] Setalle Anan states she heard that Cadsuane has a ter'angreal which can disrupt a direct weave.

3. [RJ's Blog] confirms Setalle's comment. "For Krassos, yes, a channeler could still channel wearing Mat's amulet. Cadsuane has one much like it."

 

Other Details: None.

 

9. A Crescent Moon

 

Physical Description: [CoT; 23, Ornaments]

Description of Use: [CoT; 23, Ornaments] - specifies use unknown.

Other Details: None.

 

10. Unmentioned Star

 

Physical Description: [aCoS; 18, As The Plow Breaks The Earth] - use of the plural, 'stars' in a description of her jewellery. Note: This pluralisation is maintained in every description of the ornaments.

Description of Use: This other star is never specifically mentioned, so we do not know if Cadsuane knows its use. We certainly don't, though it may be the one to break a distant weave [KoD; 27, A Plain Wooden Box]

Other Details: None.

 

Nynaeve's Ter'angreal; Citations.

 

Note: Alot of these are described early on, yet I've listed the physical description as being made in [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]. This is because the Malkieri jeweller Weilin gives more detailed descriptions than the earlier mentions.

 

1. Rings and Bracelet

 

Physical Description: [tPoD; 4, A Quiet Place]

Description of Use: [tPoD; 4, A Quiet Place]

Other Details: Alterations in size:[WH; 35, With the Choedan Kal]

 

2. Long Necklace with Rubies

 

Physical Description: [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]

Description of Use: No use is ever described.

Other Details: Description of direct weave breaking (of which this ter'angreal is a candidate) [WH; 35, With the Choedan Kal].

 

3. Belt with Rubies

 

Physical Description: [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]

Description of Use: [WH; 32, A Portion of Wisdom]

Other Details: Citation that it holds more than Cadsuanes: [WH; 34, The Humingbird's Secret]

 

4. Bracelet with Rubies

 

Physical Description: [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]

Description of Use: [WH; 33, Blue Carp Street]

Other Details: None.

 

5. First Bracelet with Emeralds

 

Physical Description: [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]

Description of Use: No use is ever described.

Other Details: Description of direct weave breaking (of which this ter'angreal is a candidate) [KoD; 35, With the Choedan Kal].

 

6. Second Bracelet with Emeralds

 

Physical Description: [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]

Description of Use: No use is ever described.

Other Details: Description of direct weave breaking (of which this ter'angreal is a candidate) [KoD; 35, With the Choedan Kal].

 

7. First Ring with Green Stones (one single stone)

 

Physical Description: [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]

Description of Use: [WH; 32, A Portion of Wisdom]

Other Details: The scene where we learn that it cannot tell the difference between male and female channelers if their weaves are inverted: [KoD; 20, A Plain Wooden Box]

 

8. Second Ring with Green Stones

 

Physical Description: [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]

Description of Use: No use is ever described.

Other Details: Description of direct weave breaking (of which this ter'angreal is a candidate) [KoD; 35, With the Choedan Kal].

 

9. First Ring with Saphires (one single saphire)

 

Physical Description: [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]

Description of Use: [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]

Other Details: None.

 

10. Second Ring with Saphires

 

Physical Description: [KoD; 20, The Golden Crane]

Description of Use: No use is ever described.

Other Details: Description of direct weave breaking (of which this ter'angreal is a candidate) [KoD; 35, With the Choedan Kal].

 

 

[Random Man]

Other Details: RJ's quote on it being used when shielded;-

 

Q: Can someone channel from a Well while shielded?

 

RJ: Yes, they could. If they had the Well.

 

[tarvalon.net Q&A 26th of Febuary 2003, found through the Theoryland Interview Database]

 

Huh. I had no idea. I'm astounded that I missed this quote for this long, considering its importance to the nature of channeling. I suppose that it would make sense that the paralis-nets would have the equivalent of a hidden Derringer pistol in the boot, just in case, but knowing this throws my perception of the connection between the user and the OP (and especially the shielding of said user) into a loop. Too bad Rand didn't have one of these when Semirhage caught him with the Domination Bands. (Would it work then? I wonder...)

[Luckers]

Huh. I had no idea. I'm astounded that I missed this quote for this long, considering its importance to the nature of channeling. I suppose that it would make sense that the paralis-nets would have the equivalent of a hidden Derringer pistol in the boot, just in case, but knowing this throws my perception of the connection between the user and the OP (and especially the shielding of said user) into a loop. Too bad Rand didn't have one of these when Semirhage caught him with the Domination Bands. (Would it work then? I wonder...)

 

It might work, but the Domination Band would still place it under Semirhage's control.

[water_seeker]

Ever since we learned about the wells Caddy and Nyn have I wanted to believe the Eye was one too and was gonna be really important in TG.

[Luckers]

Here is what RJ had to say about it at a CoT signing.

 

Soni: So the Eye of the World is a well, right?

RJ: [pauses] Yes and no. It's in the same class of objects as a well, but on a different scale.

Soni: So could it be refilled by a male channeler?

RJ: No. Remember, lots of Aes Sedai died to make it.

Soni: To keep it pure.

RJ: That, among other things. Look, a normal well is like this water glass. [he gestures] The Eye is like a liquid nitrogen canister.

Soni: So are wells made with the opposite half of the power that they were meant to contain, like Rand did at Shadar Logoth.

RJ: [sly smile] No, they don't work like that.

[Crael123]

i was always hoping we would get more info on the Eye of the World.... i hope there is some info in ToM or aMoL

[Sentinel78]

Here is what RJ had to say about it at a CoT signing.

 

Soni: So the Eye of the World is a well, right?

RJ: [pauses] Yes and no. It's in the same class of objects as a well, but on a different scale.

Soni: So could it be refilled by a male channeler?

RJ: No. Remember, lots of Aes Sedai died to make it.

Soni: To keep it pure.

RJ: That, among other things. Look, a normal well is like this water glass. [he gestures] The Eye is like a liquid nitrogen canister.

Soni: So are wells made with the opposite half of the power that they were meant to contain, like Rand did at Shadar Logoth.

RJ: [sly smile] No, they don't work like that.

 

The Eye was hidden within the hard-to-access garden maintained by Someshta.  Its two functions were supposedly to guard the Horn/Banner/Seal, and perhaps to provide a clean source of power for Rand.  A statis box could theoretically have been sufficient to protect the Horn/Banner/Seal, and could one of the AoL Aes Sedai have had a Foretelling specific enough to show Rand using the Eye to defeat Aginor and Ishamael? 

 

Confusing as to why all those AoL Aes Sedai had to die to make the Eye pure when a statis box would have worked as well.

[Andvari]

A comprehensive summary of them, nice one. Though in your citations for Nynaeve's you write "KoD; 35; With the Choedan Kal" when it should be WH.

 

I always wondered how Nora the toothless wilder actually came upon the ornaments herself and I'd love to know more about how Cadsuane had to earn them.

 

And I wonder if RJ made a couple deliberately vague to give himself a deus ex machina escape route for something later on. Not a "second fish seals Bore" type thing, but you know. 

[Tollieman]

Are there different versions of books available in the world (obviously not referring to language)? Reading about Cadsuane getting these ter'angreal from a Wilder? I've never read anything of the sort in the main series.

 

Or are there also novels/books outside the main series?

 

note *there have been a few times I've read about things on this forum that I'd never seen before. I've dismissed that as possibly me just not reading properly, but the above I'm pretty sure is not in my books (and yes, I've got them all to TGS)*

[Lambada]

Are there different versions of books available in the world (obviously not referring to language)? Reading about Cadsuane getting these ter'angreal from a Wilder? I've never read anything of the sort in the main series.

 

Or are there also novels/books outside the main series?

 

note *there have been a few times I've read about things on this forum that I'd never seen before. I've dismissed that as possibly me just not reading properly, but the above I'm pretty sure is not in my books (and yes, I've got them all to TGS)*

 

Have a read of WH:Ch34, CoT:Ch23. Cadsuane mentions the wilder in those chapters.

[yoniy0]

Luckers, thank you. I don't have the capacity to keep track of those things, and so I'm grateful for what you do.

[Tollieman]

Are there different versions of books available in the world (obviously not referring to language)? Reading about Cadsuane getting these ter'angreal from a Wilder? I've never read anything of the sort in the main series.

 

Or are there also novels/books outside the main series?

 

note *there have been a few times I've read about things on this forum that I'd never seen before. I've dismissed that as possibly me just not reading properly, but the above I'm pretty sure is not in my books (and yes, I've got them all to TGS)*

 

Have a read of WH:Ch34, CoT:Ch23. Cadsuane mentions the wilder in those chapters.

 

Thanks, will do so - I am fully prepared to be embarrassed... And if I can miss this, here comes read-through number 3 because what else have I missed!?!?!?

[Orderofolde]

Ever since we learned about the wells Caddy and Nyn have I wanted to believe the Eye was one too and was gonna be really important in TG.

I'll throw you guys a bone here.

 

The Eye of the World is what the remaining Aes Sedai (Men and Women) formed to use after the backlash when LTT's attempt failed.  You know this because RJ TOLD you guys this in TEotW.  Someone had a foretelling after the failure and the Breaking occured seeing two outcomes.(Remember it was a more common gift than the current age) Rand won which would give him the access to the Well to use when needed, one of the largest Wells we've ever seen of Saidin, seperate from the source so there would be no taint and no backlash.  The other outcome was that Rand used it rather than tainted Saidin giving the forces of light a helping hand in Tarwin's Gap, thus delaying the ability of the shadow to strike right away, and so the Banner and the Horn of Valere was left at the bottom, as he would have need of them, which has happened.

 

Before you go and shred this, ask yourself what other purpose the Eye was for.  Not for a Forsaken to take control of,and not for Rand to use up in that fight.(...or was it?)  He already had channeled, he could have drawn from regular Saidin.  Remember also that the Eye could only be found once, but Moiraine did it again out of "great need."  The rest is up to you to fill in the blanks and to patiently await to RAFO.

[Fains nose]

Since Avienda can determine a ter'angreals function by toucing it, and shes on her way to become a wise one, and cadsuane works with the wise ones, could avienda tel cadsuane the function of her ter'angreal at some point

[Luckers]

A comprehensive summary of them, nice one. Though in your citations for Nynaeve's you write "KoD; 35; With the Choedan Kal" when it should be WH.

 

Gah! It's always KoD and WH. Don't ask me why.

 

I always wondered how Nora the toothless wilder actually came upon the ornaments herself and I'd love to know more about how Cadsuane had to earn them.

 

I've wondered that myself. Frankly I doubt they saw much use in the big wide world--surely that would have attracted Aes Sedai attention. The whole 'earning her ornaments' thing that Cadsuane speaks of makes me think it was passed down from wilder to wilder, or possible mother to daughter. Perhaps even from the woman who made them. Why else would they develop a method of 'earning' them. Who else would care?

 

Possibly the make was an Aes Sedai who survived the breaking, but refused to join the Tower. We know there were a lot of them, who were later named 'women who called themselves Aes Sedai', because of their refusal to submit. And certainly the nature of those ornaments indicates a somewhat distrusting nature towards other sisters.

 

 

 

Are there different versions of books available in the world (obviously not referring to language)? Reading about Cadsuane getting these ter'angreal from a Wilder? I've never read anything of the sort in the main series.

 

Nope, they're in all printings, but they're subtle. Here.

 

And [Nynaeve] had not been put through the lessons that what must be endured, could be endured. In truth, Cadsuane sympathized with her. Somewhat. It as a lesson not everyone could learn in the Tower. She herself, full of pride in her new shawl and her own strength, had been taught by a near toothless wilder at a farm in the heart of the Black Hills.

 

[WH; 34, The Humingbird's Secret]

 

A pity she herself had not come to the shawl fifty years later than she had, or she would have bonded one of the men herself and had no need to ask. But fifty years would have meant that Norla died in her little house in the Black Hills before Cadsuane Melaidhrin ever went to the White Tower. That would have altered a great deal of history. For one thing, it would have been unlikely that she would be in anything approaching her present circumstances. So she asked, delicately, and waited.

 

[CoT; 23, Ornaments]

 

She could not recall the last time she had let shock reach her face. It might have been all those years ago, in the Black Hills, when she began earning the ornaments she now wore.

 

[CoT; 23, Ornaments]

 

Or are there also novels/books outside the main series?

 

There is New Spring, the prequel, which speaks of Moiraine attaining the shawl, the beginning of the search for the Dragon, and Moiraine's meeting with Lan. Though none of that relates to the question you asked, I suppose.

 

Luckers, thank you. I don't have the capacity to keep track of those things, and so I'm grateful for what you do.

 

:)

 

Since Avienda can determine a ter'angreals function by toucing it, and shes on her way to become a wise one, and cadsuane works with the wise ones, could avienda tel cadsuane the function of her ter'angreal at some point

 

Absolutely. Though again this is one of those communication things that crops up in the series. "What's that you say? You have the ability to read ter'angreal? Funny that, given I have these ter'angreal right here which I don't know the use of. Lucky you mentioned it, huh?"

 

Still, I definately want to see Aviendha's ability come in useful. I can't wait to see her in Rhuidean.

[Thor]

Very impressive summary.

 

I can't however understand some people's obsession with the Eye. Even the books stated that it has served its purpose, stop trying to refil it, it's not a cup of coffee >_<

[FarShainMael]

9. First Ring with Saphires (one single saphire) - Goes cold when someone nearby is feeling hostile or angry. Nynaeve states that it does not indicate which person is feeling hostile or angry, nor does it differentiate between the two feelings.

 

Odd that someone would consider it necessary to construct a t'a to do soemthing like that! AS aren't that inscrutable, are they?

 

 

 

[yoniy0]

Odd that someone would consider it necessary to construct a t'a to do soemthing like that! AS aren't that inscrutable, are they?

In a time that you didn't know who you could trust, that you sometimes had to work with people you didn't know, who might go mad at any moment, I can certainly see the reason in wanting such a ter'angreal.

[FarShainMael]

Odd that someone would consider it necessary to construct a t'a to do soemthing like that! AS aren't that inscrutable, are they?

In a time that you didn't know who you could trust, that you sometimes had to work with people you didn't know, who might go mad at any moment, I can certainly see the reason in wanting such a ter'angreal.

 

Even with people you don't know and trust, surely you would still pick up the non-verbal signals that would tell you how they're feeling. I suppose, though, that such a t'a might give you early warning, useful if Semi was right about the descent into madness being sudden.

 

[Jemlin]

Odd that someone would consider it necessary to construct a t'a to do soemthing like that! AS aren't that inscrutable, are they?

In a time that you didn't know who you could trust, that you sometimes had to work with people you didn't know, who might go mad at any moment, I can certainly see the reason in wanting such a ter'angreal.

 

Even with people you don't know and trust, surely you would still pick up the non-verbal signals that would tell you how they're feeling. I suppose, though, that such a t'a might give you early warning, useful if Semi was right about the descent into madness being sudden.

 

 

Some people are trained (or crazy enough) to not give off the typical "visual signals" of anger or hostility.  Or, there can be a cultural misunderstanding of visual signals.  Even when you take into consideration the Wise One's, who are better at having an unreadable expression on their faces than Aes Sedai, but can still have a full well of feeling underneath, you understand that having a second indicator of intent would be highly helpful in a crazy chaotic world.

 

[bubbified]

I always wondered why there aren't any male battle gear sets yet.  Maybe the men need to start hording their stuff the way the women are.  Men in this world love their toys enough, geez.

[Charlz Fel]

Odd that someone would consider it necessary to construct a t'a to do soemthing like that! AS aren't that inscrutable, are they?

In a time that you didn't know who you could trust, that you sometimes had to work with people you didn't know, who might go mad at any moment, I can certainly see the reason in wanting such a ter'angreal.

 

Even with people you don't know and trust, surely you would still pick up the non-verbal signals that would tell you how they're feeling. I suppose, though, that such a t'a might give you early warning, useful if Semi was right about the descent into madness being sudden.

 

 

First, those people might be good actors.  I imagine that most skilled players of Daes Dae'mar are.

 

Second, such a device might be useful to identify the presence of a "sniper"--an enemy concealed in the traditional sense (rather than pretending to be an ally).  Far from perfect, but better than nothing, especially if the sniper does not know you have it.

[FarShainMael]

I like that second one, but as you say it's not perfect - 'sell-swords' would only be thinking of their money rather than feeling angry or hostile. Still agreed, better than nothing.

 

[Orderofolde]

Very impressive summary.

 

I can't however understand some people's obsession with the Eye. Even the books stated that it has served its purpose, stop trying to refil it, it's not a cup of coffee >_<

 

The books with the current viewpoints?  Of Aes Sedai that don't even remember all their weaves or the uses of T'a?  They say it has served its purpose?  Perhaps much in the way that they use the T'a for the purposes that they were not intended, they used it and it worked, but NOT "for the use it was originally intended."  That IS all the way through the books, quoted from the items in the tower including the ring used for being raised to accepted, and like the rings in the waste for the the clan chiefs and wise ones.

[yoniy0]

Frankly, I don't think it matters anymore. The Eye has been used completely. For its intended purpose or not, it makes no difference. It's not coming back.