Blade of Light, Three Become One. (Full Spoilers).

[WolfDragonFox]

Well I don't think a warder like bond is gonna happen though it is absolutely possible as seen by same sex bonding of Birg to Elayne...not gonna happen IMO but it isn't needed because the point is for them to be close together so that Rand's SuperChance Manipulation mixes and gets bigger with Mat and Perrin's strong but smaller chance manipulation and adding in Mat's SuperLuck and Perrin's SuperTrust-gaining ability this will be necessary to gain just the chance to win against the DO's forces.  This is why they are one of my 3's

 

Oh yeah, and above I forgot to mention one of my other combo 3's is some kind of coming together of the minds to figure out something important by Rand's lady trio

 

Elayne/Min/Aviendha

[Mr. Insane]

  I was just rereading the series and almost done with The Shadow Rising.... Is it possible this prophecy got fulfilled at the end there?  A few people in this thread mention the blade of light that Rand creates at the end of EoTW, then say he doesn't use it again. But he does, in his battle with Asmodean, doesn't he?

 

"He formed it like a sword of Power, a sword of light, and struck; one with the sword, one with the imagined wires"

 

  To me this could imply that rand has stolen Asmodean's connection to the dark one, rather than destroying that connection, and I could see a lot of other implications.. I think this angle is one that deserves more attention.

[jemron]

Aes Sedai are wrong all the time.  Even Moiraine was wrong from time to time.  RJ specifically said at one point that the Aes Sedai claim certain things as fact based on tradition or opinion, but that the whole idea of the story is that legend fades to myth and myth is corrupted and eventually forgotten with time.  Cadsuane could definitely be wrong.  Min said herself she thinks there is more to it than what they discussed.

 

 

[Impressive Bosom]

 

3) She is very likely black.

 

As for 3:

Moiraine (in new spring) is fairly certain cadsuane is black. She's also the only person who has correctly identified that Rand had Asmodean around, and also the only person that called Verin out. As for why she didn't warn Rand - Cadsuane wasn't on the scene yet, and Moiraine had no way to know she'd be involved even with her stepping through the Rings because her path led to the doorframe and away from Rand (And assuming she's not herself black - she wrote every eventuality from the docks consisted of rand dead or turned to the shadow, where cadsuane wouldn't have been involved).

 

Cadsuane had some involvement with the Blacks up during the events of New Spring. She also had some involvement with the capture of Taim (and Logain? I can't recall on that one), along with a number of other male channelers (to the point that their survival is extended).

 

Stilled persons tend to die off unless there is something that drives them and allows them to replace what they lost... like THE GREAT LORD OF THE DARK! (or joining the church of bela). Future power and glory in the Great Lord's name. Might help someone hold it together longer, and they're easier to convince being half-mad anyways.

 

I'm not saying she is, but there's a GOOD chance. Given that and her own limitations, I don't see how her "word" on the matter can be anything other than coincidentally correct.

 

Cadsuane is definitely, definitively not Black.

[Crael123]

if cadsuane was black why didn't she try to kill Rand in aCoS when Fain cut him? why'd she heal him? why did she help him at the cleansing when he was not aware of his surroundings? once the forsaken showed up she could have just launched a fireball at him and blamed it on a forsaken! there are countless examples that support she is not black. she is definitely not black.

[ed2funy]

Elza (SP?) didn't want him to die....

 

He had to live to lose at the LB....

 

I don't think she is Black...

I am just saying...

[Crael123]

well at the time elza was under Verin's compulsion. and then it got lifted by semi and thats why her eyes were all bloodshot and she looked in a daze. the removal of compulsion and SH's "teaching" messed her up.

[ed2funy]

Still....some Shadow people might actually have that line of thinking.

 

I believe believe the standing orders are to keep him alive still.

[Bastor]

As we have seen in TGS LTT grows more and more sane inside Rands head until they seem to become one in the ending. I am sure Rand knows what to do and how to reseal the DO otherwise he wouldn't have destroyed the most powerful ter'angreal. We know that LTT had a plan that was sane and at least correct (according to him one of the greatest minds EVER) and that plan made the female and male sedai needed and the CK useless. He also had no knowledge of how to use the TP as far as we know. Also he shouts some "we are doomed" things and about how "death would be better" than being able to channel the TP (as we see that ability SUCKS the light form around Rand).

Anyway long and complex (in my head) story short - Rand knows how to seal the bore without using CK since he brakes it or knows that it is useless and far too dangerous.

I think that brakes the three powers idea.

 

About Rand/LTT/Mor ...well Rand seems to have become one with LTT already at TGS....

 

Still we are not sure that the blade of light is really callandor....too many unknowns here to make some accurate guess but if I have to I would go for Elayne making 10000 copies of Callandor and giving them to many circles of......well ok....I am going to state my non-tainted theory xD...

Huge circle including almost all male and female channellers in the world containing the dark one while rand + 2 others rebuilds his prison. One of the two parties is using callandor in their circle (either the first to make the circle stable and limitless or the second to have the needed power to rebuild reality itself)

[Crael123]

I do not understand the way of thinking of the DFs "keep rand alive till the LB so the DO can kick his ass"..... wouldnt it be better just too eliminate him before the battle so there is 0% chance hel lose

[Crael123]

once he proclaimed himself I think that of the super powerful forsaken should have just seen that and nuked him off the face of the pattern before he really could retaliate with enough force to actually be a worthy adversary. and do it consistently. I think that demendred or sammael or Rahvin could very easily killed him in the great hunt. not to mention graendal, or semi but semi was playing on the other side of the ocean 

[thewalrus777]

I do not understand the way of thinking of the DFs "keep rand alive till the LB so the DO can kick his ass"..... wouldnt it be better just too eliminate him before the battle so there is 0% chance hel lose

 

You have to also understand that the DO is also a prideful being as well. The characteristics he looks for in the Chosen, he himself embodies, a hundred  times over. Yeah the Forsaken could've killed Rand/LTT early on in the series, but the DO is very prideful and greedy in his belief that he can either turn the Light's Champion to the Shadow, or kill him, himself.

 

And besides, i don't think the Pattern would allow it, much the same as it doesn't allow for False Dragon's now that the actual DR has staked his claim.

[canorous1]

The last I checked, this board was discussing the "Wheel of Time". And I thought EVERY bloody book said explicitly that there are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. It seems to me that both the Dark One and Rand are wrong in their thinking that they can stop the wheel from turning. I'm pretty sure they can both be wrong...

Quick version of my crazed theory:

In the real world right now, we are in the middle of an intense energy crisis. Imagine if someone were to find a new source of energy that approximately 3% of all the population could easily tap into. This would be the beginning of a new age for mankind. An "Age of Legends" if you will. All our current technology would be modified to run off this new energy along with new technologies created because of the malleability of the new form of energy. The histories of what we currently call the modern age would have faded from legend to myth by the time of the formation of Randland. This is shown in the first chapters of tEotW when Thom was introduced and he mentions some of the stories he could tell. Mosc and Merk the giants throwing lightning bolts at each other across the sky. Lenn flying to the moon in the belly of an eagle made of fire.

This implies that at some point there will be NO magic in the world. Whether One Power, True Power, or otherwise, there will be none of it. Or at least it won't be able to be accessed. Currently, there are three types of people who can access magic:

Female channelers (saidar),

Male channelers (saidin),

and what I call "Deity types" [DO, Creator, and whomever the two of them see fit (Moridin as Nae'Blis, and Rand as TDR] (True Power).

Three shall become one when saidar and saidin can no longer be accessed, and only the True Power can be used, and even then only by Deities.

Anyway, the point is, we need to just keep burning fossil fuels. For the good of the pattern, lest we risk unleashing the Dark One.

[ed2funy]

nd what I call "Deity types" [DO, Creator, and whomever the two of them see fit (Moridin as Nae'Blis, and Rand as TDR] (True Power).

 

You forgot Bela good sir.

;)

 

So...all this was about not 'finding out how to channel'?

 

lol...wow....ummm....

No.

:P

 

Three shall become one when saidar and saidin can no longer be accessed, and only the True Power can be used, and even then only by Deities.

 

Also, how is losing both Saidar and Saidin constitute, "three become one"?

[thewalrus777]

Three shall become one when saidar and saidin can no longer be accessed, and only the True Power can be used, and even then only by Deities.

 

Also, how is losing both Saidar and Saidin constitute, "three become one"?

 

that's cause it doesn't. 1+1 DOES NOT = 3.

[ed2funy]

lol....

 

It's what I said...

without the mean attached to it. ;)

 

lol....just kidding...your reaction was justified (to me).

[thewalrus777]

I'm just bein' a smarty pants! ;D

[canorous1]

Someone else on here earlier mentioned the possibility that the three could attrition down to one. Not necessarily coalesce into one. If the three are as follows:

1)Saidar

2)Saidin

3)True Power

1+1+1=3

Catching up yet?

The Three Powers could become one when two disappear and one remains

3-1-1=1

Too Difficult?

[ed2funy]

Three shall become one when saidar and saidin can no longer be accessed, and only the True Power can be used, and even then only by Deities.

Also, how is losing both Saidar and Saidin constitute, "three become one"?

 

Read again buddy. The way you explain it, you're saying:

 

1)Saidar

2)Saidin

3)True Power

 

3-1-1=1

 

Now, think about this. You just get rid of it, and it becomes one?

That is the most literal translation I think I have ever heard.

 

It doesn't say 3 will lose two and become one.

It says 3 will become 1. More of a merging.

 

 

I can see some sense to your theory....some mind you...but not a whole lot.

[Bastor]

If

1==gone

3=x+y+z

x==TP

y==Saidar

z==Saidin

 

Then 3 takes the value of 1 would mean that all are gone so they are one....but that is just plain crazy :P

[ed2funy]

lol...

Yes, the math makes sense...

But this is not something you can just throw an equation at and say, "ah ha!"

 

 

BTW Canorous, if we end up being wrong (very very very very very very small chance), feel free to come back and gloat. ;D

[Tensai0211]

I see some people suggesting the idea of Rand bonding Perrin and Mat, but i have to ask - bonding as we generally know give the Aes Sedai and Warder the ability to sense each other and their emotional state, etc etc. As it stands, Rand, perrin and Mat just need to think about one another and they can actually "see" each other, i don't think any bond is going to beat that.

 

Obviously they already have a connection of some kind.

 

Still sticking to the three ta'veren become one theory.

[Crael123]

I seriously doubt that saidin saidar and TP will become one, because then right after the three become 1 line it says " and he will wield the blade of Light in his hands" and those 3 things have nothing to do with each other. I think it is either the city theory, though very doubtful about that one; 3 ladies.... ooh la la  ;) jk; the three powers getting used to seal off the dark one, and touching the Dark One with true power because he cant taint himself, and then somehow adding saidin and saidar in there fulfilling that.... or some random thing that we dont know at this point in the story.

 

so basically i am open to anything that happens, but i think i like the third theory the best. 

[feliasgrimm]

Darkfriends are like christians (I am NOT meaning that christians are evil, so please don't take it that way) -

 

Although we lump them in one category in the "check the box for your religion", there are almost more differences than similarities in Christians regarding creed, rituals, stance on a variety of issues (homosexuals, married clergy, women clergy, etc), belief in evolution, belief towards medical and/or psychiatric practices, etc.

 

Each sect of Christian does their own thing, for its own reason, regardless of what the others are doing.

 

Darkfriends are the same way - Not every darkfriend wants to kill Rand. I'm sure there are others in that camp besides Elza. A lot of the Darkfriends want to see the DO kill rand during the last battle, Elza in particular enough to do everything she can to see him there, INCLUDING keep him alive/protect him to see him there (at least till Rand killed her). Moridin is the only one who actually seems to want the DO's actual stated goal of ending existence, even the other forsaken don't seem to want that (and the lack of commitment I think is what will end up unraveling them... if they were all as single-minded as Moridin I think the good guys would be toast). The DO himself for several books WANTED Rand alive. If Cadsuane was black there's a pretty good chance she'd have kept him alive for that reason alone. Cleansing Saidin goes against the Dark On'es plan, but Elza didn't really seem to have a problem with it.

 

Bonding would be beneficial to all three of them even given their currently superior awareness, considering the other benefits that the warder bond provides, with the caveat that given that we know rand will die and the resulting impact on his warders (and obviously they couldn't bond him as one).

 

My only ohter comment on him dying is HAHAHAHA Alanna...

 

Another thought on three becomes one is perhaps the three women are one in their grief OR they all formally marry him and thus his harem turns into a wife. I don't think so on the latter, and the former is lacking as an idea MOSTLY because the majority of prophecies fulfilled seem fairly literal.

[feliasgrimm]

The ooh lala comment inspired another theory:

 

Elayne and Avi get tired of min hogging all the rand lovin', lock her in a room while they and rand get a hot threesome going down. I'll be somewhat polite and not say what Rand's "sword of light" is a euphamism for.