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when does rand first touch saidin?


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i've been wondering when does rand first touch saidin? at first i thought it was  at the end of EotW but when i reread it i found another part that might be it. When he confronts the white cloaks in baerlon it says, "A tingling thrill ran along Rand's arms and legs. He felt flushed, almost warm." then a paragraph later, "The tingling filled Rand; th heat had grown to a fever. He wanted to laugh it felt so good. A small voice in his head shouted that something was wrong, but all he could think of was how full of energy he felt, nearly busting with it. Smiling, he rocked on his heels and waited for what was going to happen. Vaguely,distantly, he wondered what it would be." i think it says he wondered vaguely and distantly because he was in the void. then after the white cloaks leave it says, "Rand drew a deep breath, and abruptly it was all gone like a pricked bubble. He staggered as it vanished, the realization of what he had just done flooding in on him." idk but that sounds like he just touched saidin to me. please reply on what u think about this.

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The very first time was earlier, when the group was first leaving Emond's Field for Baerlon. Rand unconsciously channeled Saidin to lend strength to Bela. Moiraine was surprised to find that Bela was the only horse that didn't need her energy weave after the hard ride.

 

The tingling, fever, and near delirium he felt in Baerlon while he was with the Children of the Light may have been the residue from the first touching of the True Source.

 

The second time I noticed was when he, Thom, and Mat ran onto the trading vessel on the river outside Shadar Logoth. He unconsciously channeled the ship's boom to swing around and knock away the Trolloc that was about to skewer him.

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And the third time was in four kings when he calls lightning to escape dark friends.  

 

 

Finally, he summoned the eye of the world to allow the party to escape the worms in the Blight.  He then actually seized Saidin for his duel with Aginor.

 

By this time, Rand had gained a rudimentary control and thus didn't die horribly.

 

He channels to escape the trap set by Padan Fain in chapter 10 of the great hunt.

 

There is some question as to whether he channeled in his sleep to activate the portal stone or whether Lanfear did it to force him to start using the OP.

 

I personally think it was Lanfear as Egwene saw something to that effect in a dream.

 

"she saw Rand sleeping on the ground.... A woman had been standing over him, looking down. Her face was in shadow, but her eyes seemed to shine like the moon, and Egwene had known she was evil. Then there was a flash of light, and they were gone."

 

After returing from the portal stone world, Rand is aware of the source outside the void and is now touching it consciuosly.  

 

Imagine what would have happened if, since he is a Wilder, Rand had had a block.  

 

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Finally, he summoned the eye of the world to allow the party to escape the worms in the Blight.

 

I don't think he actually channeled to summon the Eye of The World. It was just their extreme need (running away from the Wormd) to actually find it, that made the Eye appear closer than it usually would. 

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"The void eluded him, forming, then shivering into a thousand points of light, re-forming and shattering again, each point burning into his bones until he quivered with the pain and thought he must burst open. 'Light help me, I can't go on. Light help me!'  He was gathering the bay's reins to turn back, to face the Worms or anything rather than what lay ahead, when the nature of the land changed. Between one slope of a hill and the next, between crest and peak, the Blight was gone."

 

He's seizing Saidin in the first sentence and summoned the Eye as the absolute last resort. 

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The first time Rand touches Saidin is actually in Ch 11 of TEOTW, 'the road to Taren Ferry,' when the group is fleeing the Dragkar on their way to Baerlon. It is one of the few, or perhaps only time, that his contact with the Source is described in his POV without being in the Void.

 

quote: "With all his heart and desperation he silently shouted at Bela to run like the wind, silently tried to will strength into her. Run! his skin prickled and his bones felt as if they were freezing, ready to split open. The Light help her! And Bela ran."

 

and thus Moraine mentions it when Rand meets the Amyrlin in Fal Dara, stating that as proof that he was the one out of the three boys that could channel.

 

the second time he touches the source is more explicit, he is in the Void and confronting the Whitecloaks stalking Baerlon in a daze, Mat had gone up into a shop attic and hit a stack of barrels with his sling and set them loose causing the whitecloaks to splash into a puddle they were sidestepping just then. Rand laughs, they get in his face, his POV is totally wiped away by fleeting adrenaline and joy at the tensity of nearing a clash to use his sword.

 

his third is on Captain Domon's ship when he is sitting up on the mast and hollaring like a barking turd feeling on fire and frozen and such, he jumps down and does a zipline/backflip and lands like a pro only to find that he had been so out of it that he hadn't noticed Thom climbing up to the spot he had just occupied.

 

he gets sick during the flight from whitebridge, Else Grinwell's father and another farmer help him and Mat out. when they arrive in Four Kings, a slim Inn Keeper and a stranger named Howel Gode act Strangely and then attempt to (the boys think) rob them, the dagger is mentioned i believe. they try the window and find it is barred and that there are two thugs watching it. suddenly as Rand gets more and more intense in the void and the door gets closer to giving in to the darkfriend Gode, lightning strikes the window blowing up the whole wall and the cutpurse's otuside. Mat goes partially blind from the blast and Rand gets sick in between chapters end and next's beginning. Hyam Kinch is one of my favorite good samaritans that they encounter, he helps them along during that uncomfortable bit.

 

Anyways that should answer your question and maybe clarify some of the other times he touches the Power unknowing.

I'm in another reread currently and i've been trying to remember and clarify all examples of wilder activity and ONe Power Nomenclature, im glad you asked about this, its put my memory to the test.

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the second time he touches the source is more explicit, he is in the Void and confronting the Whitecloaks stalking Baerlon in a daze, Mat had gone up into a shop attic and hit a stack of barrels with his sling and set them loose causing the whitecloaks to splash into a puddle they were sidestepping just then. Rand laughs, they get in his face, his POV is totally wiped away by fleeting adrenaline and joy at the tensity of nearing a clash to use his sword

 

That was the side effect of healing Bela, not a seperate touching of the Source.

 

This has already been said in this thread, but for clarity Rand's touchings and the effects go like this.

 

1. He used the power to cleanse Bela's tiredness. Seven days later in Baerlon he experiences the reaction--giddiness and overconfidence with the Whitecloaks.

 

2. He used the power to move the boom on Bayle Domon's boat and kill a Trolloc. Four days later he experiences overconfidence and giddiness in climbing the mask.

 

3. Called lightning in the Four Kings to escape the room. His reaction was fever and chills and came two days later.

 

4. (uncertain) He used to Power to draw in the Eye of the World. No reaction specified, or joined reaction with 5.

 

5. Drawing on the Eye of the World. Reaction was forgetfulness and was immediate.

 

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I didn't realize the side effects to the power could be giddiness, but it makes sense, it would be a ripple or a flashback but without the actions of Power comming out of him.

 

Wonder if tapping the Eye of the World only required a little thread and then essentially opened the floodgates that sent his consciousness into Age of Legends mode because having that much power in him woke up LTT or put him into the state at which either the Pattern or LTT controlled him and performed the tasks of that battle. I don't see any other explanation for him going to Tarwin's Gap, skimming to TAR and fighting there, but maybe you all know something i don't, I just don't think he would or Jordan would intend Rand to be blacked out and Power sleep walking.

 

 

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There are many oddities about the end of the Eye of the World, and not just Rand's instantaneous travel, or his fight against Ba'alzamon. Try, for instance, Moiraines attack against Aginor. Where did the dirt beneath his feet go to? Why did the fire hold him? Why didn't he shield her?

 

The whole ending seems a bit... strange... given what we later learn. But meh.

 

Ultimatel i doubt he was accessing LTT. That manifestation is a result of the Taint, and his first touching wasn't enough--especially since the Eye was taint-free.

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the second time he touches the source is more explicit, he is in the Void and confronting the Whitecloaks stalking Baerlon in a daze, Mat had gone up into a shop attic and hit a stack of barrels with his sling and set them loose causing the whitecloaks to splash into a puddle they were sidestepping just then. Rand laughs, they get in his face, his POV is totally wiped away by fleeting adrenaline and joy at the tensity of nearing a clash to use his sword

That was the side effect of healing Bela, not a seperate touching of the Source.

 

This has already been said in this thread, but for clarity Rand's touchings and the effects go like this.

 

1. He used the power to cleanse Bela's tiredness. Seven days later in Baerlon he experiences the reaction--giddiness and overconfidence with the Whitecloaks.

 

2. He used the power to move the boom on Bayle Domon's boat and kill a Trolloc. Four days later he experiences overconfidence and giddiness in climbing the mask.

 

3. Called lightning in the Four Kings to escape the room. His reaction was fever and chills and came two days later.

 

4. (uncertain) He used to Power to draw in the Eye of the World. No reaction specified, or joined reaction with 5.

 

5. Drawing on the Eye of the World. Reaction was forgetfulness and was immediate.

 

I don't buy that his giddyness with the whitecloaks was a residue from touching the power. Do you have any references to back up your claim? 

 

I think  that Rand was unconsciously touching the source and letting the power rage through him but not actually channeling anything. I've read the WoT series 4 times through and am currently on my fifth time. You see this in many occasions in later books where someone gathers in as much of the power as they can hold but and it causes something akin to euphoria boarding on pain. Anyway, i'm NOT a authority on the subject but rather just enjoy the series and go back to it every 2-3 years. In any event, this is a really neat topic of discussion. 

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There are many oddities about the end of the Eye of the World, and not just Rand's instantaneous travel, or his fight against Ba'alzamon. Try, for instance, Moiraines attack against Aginor. Where did the dirt beneath his feet go to? Why did the fire hold him? Why didn't he shield her?

 

The whole ending seems a bit... strange... given what we later learn. But meh.

 

Ultimatel i doubt he was accessing LTT. That manifestation is a result of the Taint, and his first touching wasn't enough--especially since the Eye was taint-free.

 

There are a lot of oddities throughout EotW that really aren't seen anywhere else:

Moiriane's staff/power uses

The coins given to Rand/Matt/Perrin.

The fighting at the EotW... 1) Moiriane had an an'greal so could have theoretically overpowered Aginor.

 

Having re-read several times the thing that stands out is that the world building and main storyline were very well developed even at this early stage. A lot of the rules of what the Power could and couldn't do were in place too. That said, fighting with the power and the weaves were still a bit undeveloped.

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the second time he touches the source is more explicit, he is in the Void and confronting the Whitecloaks stalking Baerlon in a daze, Mat had gone up into a shop attic and hit a stack of barrels with his sling and set them loose causing the whitecloaks to splash into a puddle they were sidestepping just then. Rand laughs, they get in his face, his POV is totally wiped away by fleeting adrenaline and joy at the tensity of nearing a clash to use his sword

That was the side effect of healing Bela, not a seperate touching of the Source.

 

This has already been said in this thread, but for clarity Rand's touchings and the effects go like this.

 

1. He used the power to cleanse Bela's tiredness. Seven days later in Baerlon he experiences the reaction--giddiness and overconfidence with the Whitecloaks.

 

2. He used the power to move the boom on Bayle Domon's boat and kill a Trolloc. Four days later he experiences overconfidence and giddiness in climbing the mask.

 

3. Called lightning in the Four Kings to escape the room. His reaction was fever and chills and came two days later.

 

4. (uncertain) He used to Power to draw in the Eye of the World. No reaction specified, or joined reaction with 5.

 

5. Drawing on the Eye of the World. Reaction was forgetfulness and was immediate.

 

I don't buy that his giddyness with the whitecloaks was a residue from touching the power. Do you have any references to back up your claim? 

 

I think  that Rand was unconsciously touching the source and letting the power rage through him but not actually channeling anything. I've read the WoT series 4 times through and am currently on my fifth time. You see this in many occasions in later books where someone gathers in as much of the power as they can hold but and it causes something akin to euphoria boarding on pain. Anyway, i'm NOT a authority on the subject but rather just enjoy the series and go back to it every 2-3 years. In any event, this is a really neat topic of discussion. 

 

 

Yes, Moriane talking to Nyn is the EoTW.  "Fever and Chills that came on suddenly, then disappeared after a few hours.  Headaches, numbness, and exhilaration all mixed together and you taking foolish chances or acting giddy.  A spell of dizziness, when you tripped and stumbled when you tried to move.  "  Rand with the WHitecloaks and his swinging from the sails are classic side effects that Moriane described.  Rands lack of coordination after fighting AGinor  sounds like side effects. 

 

 

 

Finally, he summoned the eye of the world to allow the party to escape the worms in the Blight.

I don't think he actually channeled to summon the Eye of The World. It was just their extreme need (running away from the Wormd) to actually find it, that made the Eye appear closer than it usually would. 

 

 

Exactly, it was need that summoned it.  Moriane thinks she did, but in reality Rand did it, it wasmore of being a Ta'vern then using the power.

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the second time he touches the source is more explicit, he is in the Void and confronting the Whitecloaks stalking Baerlon in a daze, Mat had gone up into a shop attic and hit a stack of barrels with his sling and set them loose causing the whitecloaks to splash into a puddle they were sidestepping just then. Rand laughs, they get in his face, his POV is totally wiped away by fleeting adrenaline and joy at the tensity of nearing a clash to use his sword

That was the side effect of healing Bela, not a seperate touching of the Source.

 

This has already been said in this thread, but for clarity Rand's touchings and the effects go like this.

 

1. He used the power to cleanse Bela's tiredness. Seven days later in Baerlon he experiences the reaction--giddiness and overconfidence with the Whitecloaks.

 

2. He used the power to move the boom on Bayle Domon's boat and kill a Trolloc. Four days later he experiences overconfidence and giddiness in climbing the mask.

 

3. Called lightning in the Four Kings to escape the room. His reaction was fever and chills and came two days later.

 

4. (uncertain) He used to Power to draw in the Eye of the World. No reaction specified, or joined reaction with 5.

 

5. Drawing on the Eye of the World. Reaction was forgetfulness and was immediate.

 

I don't buy that his giddyness with the whitecloaks was a residue from touching the power. Do you have any references to back up your claim? 

 

I think  that Rand was unconsciously touching the source and letting the power rage through him but not actually channeling anything. I've read the WoT series 4 times through and am currently on my fifth time. You see this in many occasions in later books where someone gathers in as much of the power as they can hold but and it causes something akin to euphoria boarding on pain. Anyway, i'm NOT a authority on the subject but rather just enjoy the series and go back to it every 2-3 years. In any event, this is a really neat topic of discussion. 

 

Several mentions in the books, especially between Moiraine and Nynaeve when Moiraine lists several symptoms in trying to convince Nynaeve she can channel, and lists the conditions that likely sparked her first use of the power as needing something more than ever before, and Nyn remembers the sudden recovery of Egwene when she had break-bone fever and was writhing and looking to be on her deathbed, and the Wisdon at the time left her to watch Egwene while she visited someone else.  Nyn thought that she was going to die and that the wisdom was just being kind to her by saying that she would recover.  She was so distraught that she needed her little friend, the girl she used to watch as a child to be better.  The Wisdom cam back and Egwene's fever was broken early and she wanted to know what herbs Nyn had given to her, trying to convince Nyn that she wasn't in trouble, she just wanted to know what had worked as the only cure was for the terrible fever to run its course.  Days later Nyn suffered a sudden onset of fever and illness that lasted only a few hours, also surprising the wisdom not only at the fast onset but the sudden vanishing.  The side effects are listed as giddiness, illness one suddenly recovers from, and others that can come and go.  Rand was hit by it in Baerlon, and another prime example is on the Spray perched atop the mast balancing and scaring everyone below him, oblivious to all the shouts so Thom had to climb up to get his attention.  The symptoms also are supposed to grow closer together until the touching and side effects merge and then are done from what I recall.

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