Who should die

[Guest leebarr]

Of the good chacters which are likely to die or who should die because you just can not stand them any longer.

[Majsju]

We know Mat and Tuon will make it, since the outrigger novel RJ mentioned focused on them.

Perrin and Faile will also make it, since faile has yet to become queen of Saldea. (Unless RJ pulls a shocker, has Faile killed, and Perrin marry Tenobia *g*)

 

The only ones of the good characters I really, really want to see dead are Rand and Lan. Quite convinced Lan will bite the dust, and it looks hopeful for Rand as well.

[key]

Perrin and Faile will also make it, since faile has yet to become queen of Saldea. (Unless RJ pulls a shocker, has Faile killed, and Perrin marry Tenobia *g*)

 

That could happen before the last battle, you know, so that he becomes King and her Queen.

But, remember that if she does die, he's still Bashere's heir now that he's married her, so she doesn't have to survive for him to become King.

Though, I'm not saying I think she will...

[Majsju]

That could happen before the last battle, you know, so that he becomes King and her Queen.

But, remember that if she does die, he's still Bashere's heir now that he's married her, so she doesn't have to survive for him to become King.

Though, I'm not saying I think she will...

 

It is extremely unlikely Perrin will be king of Saldea. It is very uncommon that marrying the queen makes you king, so he would rather be prince consort, or whatever they call it there.

But for that to happen before TG, first Tenobia has to die, then Bashere, and then faile must somehow find the time to rush to saldea, be crowned and then hurry back to where the action is. With only one book left, not gonna happen.

 

And if faile dies, Perrin is out of the picture. He is not Basheres heir when it comes to the crown. He has no bloodties, he has never even been to Saldea. The only vconnection he has is Faile, and if she dies, saldea will chose a regent of their own. And I don't think Perrin would be very interested to become regent if Faile is dead. Just look at how he feels about it with Faile alive...

[Mat is Better]

I don't think Elayne is going to die, but it is possible and since I REALLY don't like her, there it is.

[Viezael]

Die Rand die!  Die Rand die! um...  *innocent look*

 

I want everyone on the list to live except Rand.

[Baldar]

Lan will die, but Nynaeve will be pregnant so his line will continue and return to the throne of Malkier.

 

All the rest will "live", in some capacity or another.

[bjclinton]

hmmmm.......i've noticed in many other similar posts that people seem to think Lan will "kick the bucket".....

 

any reasoning behind that other that gut feeling mixed with the fact that it would be poetic justice?

 

 

[BKVMC]

i  dont think any of those characters will Die except for rand but he will come back :)

[Majsju]

hmmmm.......i've noticed in many other similar posts that people seem to think Lan will "kick the bucket".....

 

any reasoning behind that other that gut feeling mixed with the fact that it would be poetic justice?

 

 

 

His entire life has been dedicated to fighting the Shadow. It does make sense that he dies in the final battle, while accomplishing something glorious like keeping a massive trolloc army at bay.

And hopefully the rest of the Malkieri dies with him so there will be an end to all talk about digging up Malkier from the grave.

[Feral]

It probably wont happen but I hope Perrin dies. He just really annoyed me through all of KoD and to be honest I've never really seen the point of him. Rand became the DR, Mat's married the Seanchan Empress and become a general, the girls have all had pretty major parts to play but Perrin just gets obsessed with his wife and becomes the reluctant Lord of the Two Rivers when it managed perfectly well for hundreds of years without one. Oh, and he's got a good nose.

 

 

[CUBAREY]

Quote:

 

He just really annoyed me through all of KoD and to be honest I've never really seen the point of him. Rand became the DR, Mat's married the Seanchan Empress and become a general, the girls have all had pretty major parts to play but Perrin just gets obsessed with his wife and becomes the reluctant Lord of the Two Rivers when it managed perfectly well for hundreds of years without one. Oh, and he's got a good nose.

 

You forgot a "shoulders" that some girls find attractive. You also forget that his status as overlord of Ghalidian(sp), husband to the hier of Saldea and Lords of the Two Rivers makes him a pretty good military counterbalance to Seanchen expansion after TG.

[Mat is Better]

Quote:

 

He just really annoyed me through all of KoD and to be honest I've never really seen the point of him. Rand became the DR, Mat's married the Seanchan Empress and become a general, the girls have all had pretty major parts to play but Perrin just gets obsessed with his wife and becomes the reluctant Lord of the Two Rivers when it managed perfectly well for hundreds of years without one. Oh, and he's got a good nose.

 

You forgot a "shoulders" that some girls find attractive. You also forget that his status as overlord of Ghalidian(sp), husband to the hier of Saldea and Lords of the Two Rivers makes him a pretty good military counterbalance to Seanchen expansion after TG.

None of that really means anything anyway.  Two of those places are super weak and that's why he has positions of authority in them in the first place.  His connections with Saldea are pretty impressive though.  Between Saldea and the amazing things he can do with his wolf buddies he has potential.

[CUBAREY]

Quote:

 

Two of those places are super weak and that's why he has positions of authority in them in the first place.

 

As the French can testify to, English long bowmen (the model for the Two Rivers Long Bow) when properly used can put I real hurt on Armoured Troops.

[druidravi]

Land and Nyanvae dying has some foreshadowing in the Aiel wise woman's statement to Nyanvae saying Lan won't survive her death by a day . 

 

As to Rand dying the amount of prophecy on his death is staggering it would not make sense if he simply dies .

 

Prophecies of dragon

Min's viewing about one man dying and another living (LTT and Rand)

Alivia helping Rand die

3 woman on a funeral-byer Egwene's dream ?..

 

Elayne's death also has foreshadowing I think . Her statement  about her not dying till she bears babies due to Min's viewing .

[dlan4327]

There was a time when I would have shouted ELAYNE! ELAYNE! ELAYNE! ELAYNE! ELAYNE! Somehow, though I've found I've mellowed a lot since then and I don't really hate Elayne and Nyna anymore. God knows how that came about. Maybe it's because I haven't read WOT for a while and have simply forgotten how annoying, stupid and generally arrogant they are.:D

[Leopoled Boothe]

Elayne- very unlikely.  I'm pretty sure that she, Min and Avi are the three women at Rand's funeral pier so it would seem that she will be alive at the end of the story.  I supose she could die after Rand's funeral (catches her dress in the flames of Rand's pier or something like that LOL) but I really don't see the point of having a good character die after the last battle.

 

Nyneve- Almost nil. First offI just want to say that I do not dislike Nyn.  None the less, it would be very appropriate to have her die defending some of the other Two Rivers folk since the desire to protect them was what got her caught up in this whole crazy adventure in the first place.  Unfortunatly it ain't gonna happen.  RJ has stated that Nyn is in the final scene of the book, so barring that she dies in the very last scene, it seems that Nyn will survive.

 

Tuon- No chance.  Was the be the subject of an outtrigger novel occuring ten years following AMOL.

 

Lan- A good chance. This man's entire life has been tragedy so change that now.  He is the heroic type of character who I could easily see sacraficing his own life to save his friends.  Moreover, Lan is a big picture kind of person and could easily see and accpt his own unimportance when compared to Rands thus I could easily see him dying in order that Rand may live and accomplish his purpose.

 

Rand- Definitly.  "To live you must die" Whether Rand will stay dead or not is debatable, but it seems quite certain that he will die is some way, shape, or form.

 

Faile- No way.  RJ had Perrin spend three books trying to save her from the Shaido, he certaily isn't going to kill her off now.  He just wouldn't do that to Perrin.  Besides, like them or not, Perrin and Faile are the Fairy Tale couple of the series.  RJ wanted to incorporate all the various myths into his series and Perrin and Faile take care of all the romantic damsel in distress stories.  Whenever Faile finds herself in trouble her hero Perrin comes rushing to her rescue.  So as with any Fairy Tale couple these two are destined to live happily ever after (or to be as happy as any married couple at least).

 

Mat- No Chance. He was to be the subject of and outrigger novel occuring ten years after AMOL.

   

Perrin- Unlikely.  If one of the three main charaters were going to die (permenatly) he would be the one.  However, I just don't see it happening.  There was once a comment made pertaining to Perrin stating that those who were reluctant to take power are the only ones worthy to weild it.  Thus I think Perrin will become the reluctant King of some land, possibly Saldea or some kind of new Mantherane (yes, I know he made a deal with the Seanchan but with his old buddy Mat as Prince of Ravens I'm sure some strings can be pulled).

 

 

[Leopoled Boothe]

He just really annoyed me through all of KoD and to be honest I've never really seen the point of him. Rand became the DR, Mat's married the Seanchan Empress and become a general, the girls have all had pretty major parts to play but Perrin just gets obsessed with his wife and becomes the reluctant Lord of the Two Rivers when it managed perfectly well for hundreds of years without one. Oh, and he's got a good nose.

 

Yes, the Two Rivers had managed quite well without a lord for the past hundred years, true enough.  But then they hadn't had to deal with armies of Whitecloaks and hords of Trollocs duing those hundred years either now had they.  Lets face it, it Lord Perrin hadn't shown up when he did the Two Rivers Folks would be one of two places, either under the control of Whitecloaks or digesting in the bellies of Trollocs (frankly I can't decide which would be worse).  Moreover, the Two Rivers folks were pretty much isolationists and that just wouldn't do in a time when the world must become united and stand against the DO.  They needed a leader to bring them out of their shell and allow them to do their part in TG.  Not to mention that through Lord Perrin's actions Tam has survived and I suspect he will play a major role in helping Rand to rediscover laughter and tears (ie rediscover his own humanity).  So I'd say Perrin has done some significant things.

 

[Dragon21]

Of all those choices, I can only see Rand Dying.