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Hey guys, I'm just re-reading the series again, and I noticed in The Path of Daggers on page 9 (paperback)"Tenobia would die a maidin. Which meant her uncle Davram would succeed, if she left him alive after this, or else Davram's heir."

 

So it would be probable that 'ol Davram kicks the bucket in AMoL, leaving Faile/Perrin as the Queen/King of Saldea? I'm sure other people have noticed this before, I'm personally ashamed I missed it the first two times I read it. :(

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Yes, Faile is second in line for the crown. That's one of the secrets Faile has kept from Perrin (although Moiraine seemed to know it). Whether Perrin would be king or Prince Consort (like Mat-Prince of the Ravens) is at best unclear. It seems in Malkier the royal couple  ruled jointly, in Andor this was assuredly not the case.

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Going off of Borderland Tradition it doesn't help either.

 

In Malkier, they would be King and Queen

In Kandor, he would be Prince Consort, (ref New Spring)

 

Personally, with absolutely nothing to base it on, Faile would be Queen and Perrin would likely occcupy a role similar to "First Prince of the Sword" etc where he controls the military for her.  Of course he is also a foreign lord with multiple responsibilities elsewhere...Liegelord of Ghealdan, Lord of the Two Rivers, whatever other titles get heaped on him from being one of Rand's Lieutenants.

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I personally believe that Manetheren shall rise again and Saldaea and Manether shall end up touching borders. That way, Perrin can be the Wolf King of Manetheren and Faile can be the Queen of Saldaea and they could rule and still be in close contact, especially if they keep Aes Sedai advisors who are strong enouch to make gateways.  Perrin will also be able to watch over Ghealdan, if it doesn't become part of Manetheren.  Though He might have trouble with Elayne because she has made it clear that she wants to strengthen her hold on all of Andor after She takes the throne legally.

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I sincerely doubt that Elayne will be able to keep a hold of the Two Rivers. Tarmon Gaidon will rip the world apart (figuratively and possibly literally). By the time they're done with that, she won't have the manpower to re-assert authority over the Two Rivers for years, by which time it would probably be too late.

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Perrin can be the Wolf King of Manetheren

 

Perrin explicitely gives up this goal in KOD in exchange for Seanchen help in rescuing Faile. Any attempt by Perrin to re-establish Maratheren hereafter would be seen as going back on his pledge by Tuon and would lead to war.

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While Perrin did agree to give up any claim to raising Manetheren, but Faile did NOT(he never wanted to anyway). Just a theory, but say that Saldean royalty is descended from Manetheren royalty, then the Broken Crown could be the Manetheren crown and Faile could try to raise Manetheren.

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Just a theory, but say that Saldean royalty is descended from Manetheren royalty, then the Broken Crown could be the Manetheren crown and Faile could try to raise Manetheren.

 

I'm not sure that I agree with this, but it does raise the interesting question of why a broken crown, and will it be restored in some way?

 

Perrin explicitely gives up this goal in KOD in exchange for Seanchen help in rescuing Faile. Any attempt by Perrin to re-establish Maratheren hereafter would be seen as going back on his pledge by Tuon and would lead to war.

 

Perrin's intentions might not be terribly relevant.  After all he did not attempt to become lord of the 2 rivers, he did not attempt to become liegelord of Ghealdean, and he did not, (knowingly,) attempt to become part of the Saldean court.  Tuon's reactions, might not be pertinant either, it would be a pretty reasonable assumption, that if the current political situation doesn't change pretty dramatically that any truce brokered between randlanders and seanchan would not last beyond TG and Rand's death/disapearance anyway.  The issue of war between tuon and perrin would then become subsumed by the larger issue of war between randland and Seanchan.

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The issue of war between tuon and perrin would then become subsumed by the larger issue of war between randland and Seanchan.

 

 

 

I assume that soon after TG the old political and military hostilities will resurface. Now I do not belive that Randland will unite against the Seanchen. Thus, the Seanchen will, at least in the beginning be able to pick their next target.  Now it would seem to me that going after an "oath breaker" attempting to re-establish Merethen (either actively or accepting the crown from greatful subjects) would appeal to the Seanchen.  In addition, while Faile may be able to rationalize her conduct, by pointing out that she did not promise anything to the Seanchen, they would view it as a not so bright way for Perrin to wiggle out of his pledge.

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Well, I summarized this in another thread, with a boot-like nation drawn on a map of Randland, which represents what I think will be Perrin's future kingdom (assuming the land looks anything like it does not, after TG). 

 

But regarding post Tarmon Gaidon hostilities ... the Pattern has gone out of its way, so to speak, to force Perrin (and Rand, for that matter) to make accomodation with the Seanchan ... and the lands Perrin holds (or will hold, when he's in charge of Saldaea, as I think he will be) are in a perfect place to be a buffer between the currently Seanchan-held southwest, and the rest of Randland.  Its my opinion that Perrin, Mat, Egwene, and Logain will be instrumental in brokering a post Tarmon Gaidon peace with the Seanchan, in the situation described by Nicola's Foretelling: "The great battle done, but the world not done with battle. The land divided by the return, and the guardians balance the servants. The future teeters on the edge of a blade."

 

Mat and Perrin will be able to speak for each part of the land divided by the return, and Egwene and Logain will be able to speak for the guardians and the servants.  The personalities involved there have developed to the point where I think they will, after having been through Tarmon Gaidon mostly together, be able to work together in something resembling harmony.

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I assume that soon after TG the old political and military hostilities will resurface. Now I do not belive that Randland will unite against the Seanchen. Thus, the Seanchen will, at least in the beginning be able to pick their next target.  Now it would seem to me that going after an "oath breaker" attempting to re-establish Merethen (either actively or accepting the crown from greatful subjects) would appeal to the Seanchen.

 

Maybe, but I could see the same targets that the Seanchan are currently aiming at to be perfectly reasonable targets as well.  We do know from RJ's comments that he had planned for Mat to survive, and that there had been a potential bokk about Mat and Tuon.  Unless that book was supposed to be about how Mat reacted to his wife waging war on his closest living friend, I don't see why Tuon, or Mat assuming he has any influence, would go picking a fight with Perrin.

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I don't see why Tuon, or Mat assuming he has any influence, would go picking a fight with Perrin

 

Ithought the Tuon-Mat book was going to be set 10 years after TG and involved the retaking of the Seanchen homeland?

 

If Perrin reneges on his pledge then whether Tuon would be picking on him would depend on your point of view.

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