Forsaken in the other six Ages?

[Paviel]

As far as I know, the only constants in all seven Ages are the Dark One, the Creator, and the Dragon.

 

I was wondering if the Forsaken (or maybe just really powerful Dreadlords) were also a constant in all seven Ages rather than just the Third. The Forsaken in the Third Age were some of the most powerful men and women from the Second Age, but I was wondering if the Dark One reuses the same souls every Age, or if he will find somebody to replace (for example) Be'lal, Rahvin, or Asmodean in the Fourth Age.

 

For that matter, if any of the Forsaken manage not to get balefired before or during Tarmon Gaidon, will they remain Forsaken in the Fourth Age too, or will they be replaced?

 

Or will there be no Forsaken in the Fourth, Fifth, etc. Ages?

[Thunderbomb]

depending on how the story ends

Remaining Forsaken will either be destroyed or sealed away again with the DO and I imagine the DO will find strong evil people to replace the ones he cannot ressurect or the ones he chooses not to ressurect during the next second/third age.

 

As far as does he use the same souls, he does to as far as my knowledge does unless they get killed and he has to ressurect them into new souls just my way of thinking =)

[krelianzg]

I'd guess he reuses the souls of those Forsaken who have proven loyal to him as much as possible. It seems  a lot simpler than recruiting brand new ultra-powerful channelers who he has to trust at least a little bit.

 

Even if this isn't the case in general, Ishamael seems to have a special place in the DO's heart.

[Tyrell]

Of course, channeling doesn't exist in every age, but I would imagine that he would keep around those that have proved themselves loyal to him.

[dyring]

Well, I seem to recall RJ saying all ages don´t know about the do, such as the ages prior to AOL. There he was completely forgotten, and for there to not even be myth´s about him, he would haveto be absent from the wheel for 2-3 ages atleast methink.

 

//dyring

[Papermache]

It seems odd thinking of a world where people believe their is no powerful evil force, driving all evil.

[dyring]

It seems odd thinking of a world where people believe their is no powerful evil force, driving all evil.

 

Well, a majority of the people in most of the so called developed countries in our world doesent truly believe in one. Or in a god for that matter. So can´t see that as all that odd tbh ;)

 

//dyring

 

 

[Majsju]

It seems odd thinking of a world where people believe their is no powerful evil force, driving all evil.

 

Well, a majority of the people in most of the so called developed countries in our world doesent truly believe in one. Or in a god for that matter. So can´t see that as all that odd tbh ;)

 

//dyring

 

 

 

Well, I don't think more than perhaps a tiny fraction in Randland actually believes the DO is driving all evil, even though that is a world where supernatural beings exist.

[RobertAlexWillis]

As far as I know, the only constants in all seven Ages are the Dark One, the Creator, and the Dragon.

 

Um ... I wouldn't say those are constants in every Age at all.  In fact, we're pretty sure the Dark One doesn't appear at all in at least two or three Ages leading up to the Age of Legends, since his very existence had been completely forgotten by that time.

 

And of course, without the Dark One to fight, there wouldn't necessarily have to be the Dragon to face him ...

 

So, I would say that no, just as the Dark One and the Dragon aren't necessary in every Age, so too the Forsaken are not, and that after the current group dies, there probably won't be any more "Forsaken" until the Wheel turns all the way back around again.

[Paviel]

Then I stand corrected.

 

Ishamael does seem to be pretty special even among the Forsaken, but if he really did go by Elan Morin... er, whatever he was called during the Second Age, it makes me wonder: Was he really a reincarnation of some incredibly evil soul, or was all his talk about the eternal struggle between light and dark (paraphrased, of course) just the raving of a madman?

 

Or was it both?

 

On a different note, I guess it does make some sense that not every Age has a Dragon. For example, if there were a Dragon in the First Age, Lews Therin probably would have known (and told Rand) about him...

[Vambram]

Isahameal is insane, and "he is a lying liar who Lies." :)

[RobertAlexWillis]

Was he really a reincarnation of some incredibly evil soul, or was all his talk about the eternal struggle between light and dark (paraphrased, of course) just the raving of a madman?

 

The whole thing about an eternal struggle between Light and Shadow?  Sure, that was true.  The whole thing about Ishamael being there for all of it, as sort of an "anti-Dragon"?  Pure self-aggrandizing delusional crap.

[trakand_01]

I agree with RAW, however I would ask - how comes Birgitte can remember dozens of lifetimes? Is she just remembering dozens of 2nd Ages?

[elmis]

Birgitte was there for the War of Power, and she's been reborn several times over the last three thousand years. This we know from her statements to Mat when she talked to him during aCoS and because she remembered Moghedien promised to make her weep for all eternity (or some such).

 

In other words, you can be reborn several times in the same age. Or perhaps it's more frequently if you're a Hero, but that's another discussion.  :)

[Tyrell]

Even if there wasn't any need for her heroics in the first age, there may have been in the 7th, 6th, 5th and 4th, and then the previous 3rd and 2nd, then back further... heh we dunno how long she's been a hero. Although she's forgotton all of that now, I get the feeling that she's still a hero, it'd just be so harsh for her not to be one any more.

[elmis]

It's probably the wheel working it's way out of Moghedien scheme. Whenever earlier she's been spun out, she's only been a regular woman that did heroic stuff. Now, ever so slowly, she's forgetting about her earlier quests, and becoming more and more regular, if you can call it that.

 

Or it could be simply that a human mind only can hold on to so many memories. :)

[dlan4327]

Forsaken in other ages eh? Well if you accept the theory the wheel of time is set in our world in the future... then the current forsaken would have to include Dick Cheney, Kim Jong-il, Pervez Musharraf umm... oh yeah, Stalin, Pol Pot, Amin, Hitler. Hmmm but then we have a problem we need a Dark One who is greater than the combined sum of their evil. Well that really only leaves one person. Well two actually. Rupert Murdoch and Barry Diller founders of FOX network spewing out evil since October 9th, 1986.

[trakand_01]

Forsaken in other ages eh? Well if you accept the theory the wheel of time is set in our world in the future... then the current forsaken would have to include Dick Cheney, Kim Jong-il, Pervez Musharraf umm... oh yeah, Stalin, Pol Pot, Amin, Hitler. Hmmm but then we have a problem we need a Dark One who is greater than the combined sum of their evil. Well that really only leaves one person. Well two actually. Rupert Murdoch and Barry Diller founders of FOX network spewing out evil since October 9th, 1986.

 

Personally I think Osama Bin Laden is slightly more evil...

[dlan4327]

Hmmm, Bin Laden... ok, he's more evil than FOX network. Only just though... :-\

[Cillian]

Forsaken in other ages eh? Well if you accept the theory the wheel of time is set in our world in the future... then the current forsaken would have to include Dick Cheney, Kim Jong-il, Pervez Musharraf umm... oh yeah, Stalin, Pol Pot, Amin, Hitler. Hmmm but then we have a problem we need a Dark One who is greater than the combined sum of their evil. Well that really only leaves one person. Well two actually. Rupert Murdoch and Barry Diller founders of FOX network spewing out evil since October 9th, 1986.

 

hahahahahaha!

nice one :D

 

 

Personally I think Osama Bin Laden is slightly more evil...

 

than Hitler? or the Fox founders?

[trakand_01]

The Fox founders  ;)