Halloween Mafia - Orista Manor - GAME OVER!!!! (Page 63)

[loki redfern]

I agree, that is rather suspicious...

 

I too feel cautious about choosing a vote as of yet. I do intend to vote, but I want to give it more thought.

 

this was more or less right after ilgross's "reveal your role" statement which you seem to have convenienly ignored in your attack there kryos

 

amthea voted for me because i voted for her a bit more simple than your suggesting (why am disputing something that makes me look innocent..no i dont have a clue either) .  im kinda for giving vemy the benifit of the doubt for now seeing as he did say quite early he was going to be quite and rummy does usually play in that style.

 

 

*edit*

a reveal.  great. couldnt you just be like definatly evil. it would make things so much easyer. so im curious, as these things seem to have been important as with the other people, whats your name and colour?

[Vemynal]

Shinanigans! I call shinanigans! or at least i think i do :P

 

Guys, remember how I was so good at asking dsage about DPR's role before? (as commented by tig^^)

 

thats because i had *JUST* asked him the same question involving kryos

 

 

I am the scardy cat^^, basically I pm Dsage someone's name during the night and a random action results involving the person. When i received my role i pmed him questions to clarify the nature of these "random actions" and I can heal, finder, paranoid finder, or kill someone. I'd also assume i have other night action abilities such as role blocking etc.

 

The problem is I don't have the ability to control this, its random =/

 

I sent in kryos name last night and was told that Kryos was "Angelo Podovesi" and a member of the "Covenant". I viewed kryos because 1) not using my ability will take away from some of the fun in this game^^. and if it appeared that i had killed someone I had planned to fess up to avoid confusion. 2) I can't use it on someone who appears innocent because they might die. 3) I can't use it on someone who appears evil or they could be healed from night actions.

 

Now our mafia have been constantly referred to the "Prophets" and i have no idea who the Covenant are, but when i pmed dsage for clarification about "whether lynching kryos would be beneficial or detrimental to the town" he gave me an answer that tells me it would be beneficial for the town.

 

and while I can't quote him he stated it in a way so that I think lynching him is for the best, not night killing him.

 

So let me make this clear: I was *NOT* told that kryos was mafia but was instead told that killing kryos would be beneficial to the town.

 

heres where things get sticky...I can come up with paranoid finder claims...and I wouldn't put it past dsage to give me a paranoid finder claim at the beginning of this game.

 

So if it was just my viewing that made me suspicious I think I woulda dropped this, but after reading through all his posts I'm pretty convinced I'm right which you'll see soon enough.

 

and for clarification no I'm not claiming finder, I'm claiming "Scardi-cat" (Random action ability)

 

And to the real finder! *DON'T REVEAL!!!*

 

I'm exposing myself (and likely to die) to keep you from having to reveal. Even if I die I'll come up as the scardi-cat! which proves my innocence and what I've been saying and kryos will go down tomorrow during the lynch. You'll never need to reveal!

 

now to get the stuff i found on kryos posted asap!

[loki redfern]

..seriously is ther something in the water here en mass role reveals..though im gonna have to go with the scarede cat vemys been looking very innonce..and really you cant make that **** up. my vote on kryos stays. his reeked of fake reveal

[Vemynal]

Ilgross(11): Wes, Thorum, Leelou, Sorandha, Kryos, Naeann, Tigara, Vemynal, Boyo, Barm, damane

 

Wes(4): Alys, loki, ilgross, damane

 

the dude(2): Barm, Dark Justice

 

Vemynal(1): Talya

loki(1): Amethea

 

brown=outsider (Dsage how the hell did you get his name to appear grey before?!)

 

So first off, Kryos was the 6th vote on the Ilgross bandwagon (note, I appear as #8 and he as #5 but at the time of actually voting he was the 5th vote before i later unvoted and revoted)

 

Amethea: Waits for everyone to show (standard for her), comments ilgross looks suspicious and I explained my weird posting, votes ilgross till something better comes along. Votes Loki because he voted her and keeps her vote on him all day long.

 

Kryos: In his entrance post talks about how ilgross looks suspicious because he’s not backing up what he says. Finishes saying he doesn’t want to say too much else dsage might punish him since he didn’t have the asterisk next to his name. Can’t make a decision refuses to vote (actually a good thing, guys. Its just how he said it)

 

Well, since I hadn't voted yet, and now Ilgross has given his reveal, that's a tough one. Sounds like an interesting role to be honest, and I'm sure there's not much more he can elaborate on really as that seems about as specific as it can be. Vemy's explanation of his lack of chatting seems valid, ugh, why does day one always have to be so difficult. :( I don't wanna screw it up for the townies and vote for someone who might be of use. This is really difficult to say the least. I'm going to continue to abstain from voting for the time being because I just can't decide.

 

Later agrees that Wes is right about ilgross and vote’s ilgross. My big problem with all this I that Kryos doesn’t bandwagon or vote for other peoples reasons. He usually comes to conclusions on his own and I’ve never seen him as “helpless”. While DPR was the one to propose ilgross claiming a lesser role to stay alive he wasn’t the only one thinking it as I was and I certainly believe others of you were able to think of that was well, including kryos. So why didn’t he vote ilgross back then?

 

in the process of his reveal he didn't even bother to give an alignment which I think is something that would seem part of a role reveal if you ask me. Granted it could've just been a slip and such and he could be a townie, but then it is just the first day and there isn't a lot that one can do to choose either way since day one is generally just a random vote day usually.

 

And kryos has just said “well I haven’t been screaming I’m innocent because it should be implied I claim innocence”. So then why did kryos jump on Ilgross in part because ilgross never claimed innocence?

 

Next thing is two quotes by Kryos, I’ve put the time they were posted at in the quote:

Reply #206 on: October 25, 2007, 09:29:10 PM »

Yeah Vemy that was nicely put, that's for sure. Outsider sounds more like something similar to a Serial Killer type role or something to me, but then again, there's no telling with DSage. But at least this gives us a little bit of information to work on with the sympathizer gone. Going to go back and see if there's anyone Amethea refers to as believing to be innocent now.

 

Reply #207 on: October 25, 2007, 09:37:58 PM »

Well, that search turned up nothing. :( Darn it, was hoping for something at least, lord knows there's enough pages to search through for day one, but still, nothing has turned up at all in the search for any clues. Without knowing anything more about Wes' role, can't really do much about him, that's for sure. But I'm not about to bandwagon on top of Damane and vote for her.

 

Alys, care to explain further your reasoning for seeing Damane as being an obvious choice to lynch? I'd like a little more clarification on that one if possible, cause I don't see exactly where you are getting that need from.

 

That’s a difference of 8 minutes…to read a 20 page thread & type a response up…Why claim your going to review the entire thread, post claiming you reviewed the entire thread and came up with nothing, and have not read the entire thread?! The only thing I can think of is that Kryos wanted to look like he was being active without doing the work (scumish) or that he was trying to throw people off by saying there is no information to gather in a reread.

 

In his next post kryos reminds Loki that he was planning on voting Dark justice but hadn’t. If you don’t think someone is scum then why should you convince (or remind) someone else to vote for someone for the lynch…Scummish indeed.

 

And that’s *ALL* I have. Don’t expect more. Don’t expect me to do this again XD. Next time if I’m alive I’ll just let you kill me instead XD

 

 

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Actually Loki you wanna be really careful about voting for such reasons, remember Twitch/Aginor's role claim in Barm's nuthouse? "I'm a healer who if the person I heal is targeted during the night then the targeter loses their night abilities". That was a role no one had heard of before. thats actually part of why i revoted ilgross to be honest.

 

But thank yo for the vote of confidence /bows

[damane]

[glow=red,2,300]vote kryos[/glow]

 

i'm innocent

[Vemynal]

Kryos (4): Vemynal, Loki, Thorum, damane

 

Damane (3): Alys, Tigara, Boyo

 

Thorum (1): Leelou

Tigs (1): Talya

Soranda(1): Kryos

 

heres the vote count for the day, i didn't want anyone gettign confused with the one i posted up a sec ago from yesterday

 

now I'm off to see the wizard! the Wonderful wizard of oz!~

 

...

 

actually I'm gonna lay on my bed and read manga for a hour then go out to dinner, cya all tonight

[damane]

because, because, because, because of all the wonderful things he does

[Leelou]

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote Thorum[/glow]. [glow=red,2,300]Kryos[/glow] because I just can't buy what you are saying atm.

 

 

 

Sorry for my lack of playing right now, but I've had a ton of RL issues that I've been dealing with. I think they are all taken care of now so I'll be more into the game from here on out.

[loki redfern]

bah and other stuff like kryos being a lieing liar who lies :P ect its late and im to lazy

 

er..theres no place like home. except when the door to the fridge is lock as you drunknly stumble about looking for food

 

really thats an original wizard of oz line, they just had to take it out because the munchkins refused to share their wine with dorthy

[Kryos]

Awesome, now everyone is bandwagoning on me. I wont' say anything further, I've said my piece, Vemy has said his, no matter what, I knew I'd end up being the one to be lynched anyhow it always happens. It's like I'm not allowed to live past day 2 at all. It's a curse I tell you. But here, to help you all along.

 

[glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow]

 

[glow=red,2,300]Kryos[/glow]

 

Not even worried about saving myself anymore. it is a futile effort as everyone deems digging up quotes of indecisiveness is the be all end all of being evil, so everyone else who hesitated in voting for ilgross day one or has hesitated voting today watch out, you'll be next in the lynch. And to think, tonight I was going to investigate Boyo to see what all he's got hiding up his sleeve. Oh well. Enjoy all, it's been a fun run. Don't know if I'll make it back again before I'm lynched as I see the way things are going.

[Kryos]

And to clarify, the vote on myself isn't a pity thing. Just that it seems difficult to get people to vote, and since someone needs to die today and I'm currently at the most votes, may as well add in the extra vote so it stays that way. Don't have too much fun people. Been an alright game I suppose.

[Vemynal]

Kryos (6): Vemynal, Loki, Thorum, damane, leelou, kryos

 

Damane (3): Alys, Tigara, Boyo

 

Tigs (1): Talya

 

In talyas game kryos voted for himself when he was about to be killed to show he just didn't care anymore and that stopped the lynch from killing him. I think he's only thrown that vote on himself to try and garner pity from the voters to not vote him/unvoter him.

 

I for one am not falling for it :P

 

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kryos post #2 XD

 

sure it isn't kryos, you'd be dead without your vote for yourself because damane has 3 and you have 5. + the votes were likely to just keep going onto you.

 

your aiming for pity :P

[SBoydW]

Well I was skeptical until Kryos voted himself, which is usually the last ditch effort of an evil to save themselves.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote Damane[/glow] [glow=red,2,300]Vote Kryos[/glow]

[Toy and Minion]

Kryos (7): Vemynal, Loki, Thorum, damane, Leelou, Kryos, Sven

 

damane (2): Alys, Tigara

 

Tigara (1): Talya

 

With 17 alive it takes 10 votes to Lynch.

 

 

 

***Getting too happy with the Spam, people!***

[Barmacral]

I have to agree with Soybomb on this one. [glow=red,2,300]Vote: Kyros[/glow]

 

On a side note... another evil overlord favourite.

If I learn the whereabouts of the one artifact which can destroy me, I will not send all my troops out to seize it. Instead I will send them out to seize something else and quietly put a Want-Ad in the local paper.

[Tigara]

Man, I'm gone for a day and look.

 

Talya, I didn't change my vote because at the time, I didn't know who to change it to and didn't want to unvote because that slows the game down.

 

I already bandwagoned someone this round. I'm gonna leave my vote for now until stronger eveidence screams at me.

[Talya]

Well a lot has happened since I went to bed last night.

 

What happened to letting the real finder (if it isn't kryos) to view him in the night. So that we know for definate he isn't the finder. I'm also hoping he wouldn't be so daft as to try that ploy again though, knowing that we would remember it.

 

Vemy's role...very much like the last one he had in Ilgross's game..can choose to Heal or find and turnes out to be a paranoid finder as well. And this role is very similar! And yet you are all willing to believe one over the other. I for one would like to see both viewed before dispatching them oh so willingly. One of them might be evil, for all we know they both might be. But they also could be innocent. Thats what we have a finder for. Maybe they could be used to check these two out. (it would be over two nights, but at least we may not end up losing our finder like we did last time ~ FDM ~ )

 

 

[MsDanya]

I'm not a big fan of voting someone off jsut because one player claims he has viewed anotehr player who has also claimed a role.

 

I'm actually going to agree with Talya this time  ;) I want at least one of them viewed tonight, so we'll know for sure who tells the truth. if no one comes out tomorrow, saying they viewed either Kryos or Vemy and found this or that, then we'll just have to trust his claim right? also I dont trust much the "paranoid finder" role. if Vemy's a paranoid finder when he is a finder (have I understood your role right Vemy?  ???) we cant really trust it imo. or we have to turn it around. which would make Kryos innocent?  ???

 

im going to stop typing now before I confuse myself any more than I already managed ><

[Thorum]

I'm gonna go against the flow and [glow=red,2,300]unvote kryos[/glow].

 

Why? Simply because I'm not convinced enough of his guilt to give him thát much of a way ahead. He's still 7 votes to 2 against damane, so it probably won't matter that much.

[the dude]

thoughts.

 

the main point that i really see against you, kryos, is that you have consistently said that there's nothing to go on.  i know fullwell that might be a genuine statement; you're certainly not the only one touting that idea.  but it is a pretty standard mafia tactic.  be helpless, offer as little as possible, and lather rinse repeat that there's no information to be found.  you won't convince everyone, but you might throw off a couple of people, which is still a help.  when i say "you" here, i mean in general, not anyone in specific.  i just say this to point out one of the reasons i think kryos is getting voted for so much.

 

i'll be honest, i haven't done a re-read myself yet.  i've made little notes about people, but not much has come out of it.  i'm this close to just slinging wild guesses, since they seem to work obscenely well for me...

 

with 2 claims coming out....  i gotta say i don't really like this.  i could be wrong here, of course, but 3 role reveals in 2 days.....  it's bad hoodoo.  i suspect at least 1 is false.  if they're all true, then i'm a little nervous at the innocent team's willingness to gift-wrap info to the mafia.  i hope this doesn't bite us in the ass.  i agree that findering these guys is probably the best idea.  i don't presume to tell the finder what to do, but it's a good idea if you don't have a better one.  of the 2, kryos' is theoretically more valuable in that it's more reliable (albeit with that nasty 50% kill chance) than the scardicat role as described. 

 

really though, a role reveal does need to be taken seriously.  we should maybe consider letting him live for now.  voting for himself doesn't really convince me of anything, but a role claim shouldn't be ignored i don't think.

[Dark Justice]

I just find this weirder & weirder. I cant vote for Kryos, cause of the "reveal", but I really want to. Voting for yourself is just so dodgy, that he almost deserves to get lynched just because of it. But Ill lay off. I wouldnt be surpriced if Kryos came up guilty cause of Vem being a paranoid cop. So, real finder, if not kryos, do your job, but dont reveal either way. Still to early. Even if he is not the real healer you should not reveal. Like Wes said in some other thread. The reason the evils have won all the last games is because the finder has had to reveal really early. We dont want that.

 

*phew*

 

That might be the longes post I have written...

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

and I can heal, finder, paranoid finder, or kill someone. I'd also assume i have other night action abilities such as role blocking et

 

How do you know that the information you got about Kyros isn't false, Vem? If your random result turned out to be a paranoid cop, then it's going to be opposite. You said in your role reveal that you aren't saying he's mafia, but that DSage's clarification was that it's beneficial...but who is to say that is even accurate, if everything is random? I just can't believe that the Mod is going to give out truthful information to someone who's results are completely random. It kind of defeats the purpose of the role, if all you have to do is ask him a simple question. Does that make any sense? But now it seems that you are taking it at 100%, and you are so gung ho on a lynch that before you weren't "positive" about. What has really changed? Your opinion, because the reading certainly hasn't.

 

I would love nothing more than to vote for Kryos. His long winded posts about the same thing over and over drive me insane. (sorry guy, but it's the truth :P) But I'm holding back because I think that my voting for him would be more because he annoys me, than because I think he's actually guilty.

 

And seriously guys, stop all these role reveals. For all the rest of us know, you could be making it all up, or giving us half truths. After the last game, I refuse to take role reveals at 100%, since it is apparent evils can come up with an innocent alignment (see: Alys of last game), or vice versa. You got a reading similar to this last time Vem, and I got killed. Please keep that in mind.

[the dude]

let's just all take a moment to chill and have a drink, hmmm?

 

oh, i have a role too.  i am the Detenteur!  i help people take it easy.  once per game i can invite 3 players to a jamaican hotbox.  in the morning, they'll all be way to mellow and cannot vote for that day cycle.  8)

[Kryos]

Dude, invite me please.

 

FDM, you know you like my long winded posts. It's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

But just so people stop thinking I'm trying to play a sympathy card... Which I'm not.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

[Vemynal]

So if it was just my viewing that made me suspicious I think I woulda dropped this, but after reading through all his posts I'm pretty convinced I'm right which you'll see soon enough.

 

thats for FDM and talya who brought up my ability to parinoid finder

 

Yes I'm taking my ability cautiously, but everytyhing kryos is doing has me reading hard on him.

 

+ FDM, I have to ask you the odds of me getting the finder killed by my parinoid findering the finder two games in a row...