Camp Dreadfall Mafia Game -- GAME OVER -- MAFIA WIN!

[Turin Turambar]

On 5/18/2025 at 1:38 AM, dicetosser1 said:

far as I’m concerned the doc if there is one did their job right.

 

 

 

so let me get this straight.

 

im a scum lean.

 

because I said Turin who had two votes at the time wouldn’t get lynched I. The like 10 minutes left when most of the game wasn’t around. I also said I wouldn’t lunch you but of course you have no or em with that.

 

but then when you list Turin who you say “has been up your ass all game” you don’t even GIVE what your read is? And he’s the ONLY one in that list you don’t actually say what you read was?

 

oh and ftr. If I had a gun? There would’ve only been one death most likely cause I very likely would have shot EP.

 

and then your like maybe you’re getting set up! But in the mean time I’ve got Turin sudsing me because EP told me to wake up?

 

right Vote SD. He flips scum Turins next imo

 

 

also @DPR  get in line on that list of hoping to get killed last night.  I was hoping to get killed and then have key let me replace in

This was your vote on SD, except the colour correction. Maybe I'm reading more into it but the you seemed pretty much set in your stance with your connecting me to SD. 

 

That last bit just sounds odd. Why want to be killed just to replace in? Can you explain this please?

 

I wanna check something else I saw...

[dicetosser1]

Just now, Turin Turambar said:

This was your vote on SD, except the colour correction. Maybe I'm reading more into it but the you seemed pretty much set in your stance with your connecting me to SD. 

 

That last bit just sounds odd. Why want to be killed just to replace in? Can you explain this please?

 

I wanna check something else I saw...

because ep totally pissed me off and I wanted him gone. If that meant having to replace him even in a role I REALLY didnt want then fine.

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

11 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

I don’t have a case on her. No one does.

 

which is the point.

 

for some reason I kept thinking I should vote tig as I was catching up

 

Pure gut

This was your reasoning for wanting to yolo onto someone not in thread while jumping off the lead train for someone you were confident enough was mafia that you had set up the next lunch when they flipped mafia?? This is an attempt to abuse meta. I did random crazy thing because "gut". I don't believe you. 

[dicetosser1]

Right

 

how dare I go outside the box right?

 

I don’t know why I bother with you. You just seem to have your eyes painted shut when it comes to me.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

36 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

Heavy. Tell me why your town?

Why I'm town? That seems a difficult question to approach. 

 

Well, why would I sus Darthe, have a little back and forth with him where he certainly seemed rattled to me, and leave my vote on him all day. A miselimination would have nearly guaranteed a mafia win, so bussing someone that wasn't being sussed hugely seems a strange play. I could have latched onto SD, or joined in the Turin/DPR fun, or slanked, or parked on you or Tigs for a possible CFD. 

 

Im not saying that I'm lock clear, or anything close, but I find it difficult to see my behaviour and reasoning to be anything except consistent with being town. 

[Turin Turambar]

20 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

because ep totally pissed me off and I wanted him gone. If that meant having to replace him even in a role I REALLY didnt want then fine.

 

 

So you wanted to be the cop in a situation that no one believed you were the cop??? Glutton for punishment, much. 

Spoiler

Sorry, mafia can't replace in.

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

@Turin Turambar I'm kind of worried about the complicated theorising from you that seems to have switched from DPR and SD being the super obvious wolves (please shoot me now) to Dice and SD being the super obvious wolves (please shoot me now). 

 

Shouldn't there be some sort of progression between the two stances? The tone feels so similar. 

 

And I still don't see any explanation of how you and Darthe were both so keen on Sinister. Barely anyone has actually voted for Sinister except you two (an exaggeration I know) I mean without Darthe parked there would Sinister ever have been a serious contender? 

 

Trying to understand your position here. 

[Turin Turambar]

16 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

Right

 

how dare I go outside the box right?

 

I don’t know why I bother with you. You just seem to have your eyes painted shut when it comes to me.

Yeah. Your "gut" led you. See above.

 

You can do what you want. I can sus you for it. That's how this game works.

[Turin Turambar]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

@Turin Turambar I'm kind of worried about the complicated theorising from you that seems to have switched from DPR and SD being the super obvious wolves (please shoot me now) to Dice and SD being the super obvious wolves (please shoot me now). 

 

Shouldn't there be some sort of progression between the two stances? The tone feels so similar. 

 

And I still don't see any explanation of how you and Darthe were both so keen on Sinister. Barely anyone has actually voted for Sinister except you two (an exaggeration I know) I mean without Darthe parked there would Sinister ever have been a serious contender? 

 

Trying to understand your position here. 

New information leads to new thoughts. Fwiw I'm not 100% DPR is town but I think due to events of the last day he is more likely than not. The way the votes went down each day. The way the scenarios were nearly identical but the actions of both SD and Dice were completely different screams they are mafia. 

I wasn't lying yesterday when you asked me about working with DPR. I didn't trust him but I still have to listen because I could be wrong (the Creator knows I've been wrong loads in my mafia career). You listen because even if the other person turns out mafia they might give you some helpful information. It was like in the first game that Zander and I didn't really trust each other but we listened and eventually found something to agree on and were able to go from there. 

I'm listening to Dice now even though I don't believe him. Maybe I'm wrong. I really don't think so because I believe in the voting evidence above all else so far this game. Sd was fine voting Peace, but balked hard on Darthe. Dice's first move was to try to yolo Tigraine. Once that failed he was resigned to voting Darthe over SD. To me that means mafia preferred to have SD alive over Darthe. Mechanically it makes sense because a 50/50 chance on a bus driver failing could be disastrous for mafia. It could end up with them killing their own in some circumstances. Or having frame attempts fail.

 

One thing the presence of the bus driver does is put the possibility of a doc that tried to protect GK N1 but got redirected on the table. 

 

Darthe fooled me. I may have a blind spot there cause I want him to be town. I'll have to think on that.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

I get what you are saying but I'm scratching my head a little bit over the wolves voting 2/3 for other wolves. SD can hardly be called a deep wolf, and if his PR is so deadly why was Darthe parked on him as the opening vote the whole game? (I know D1 Darthe was only the leading vote because other people unvoted, but still). 

 

I don't want to get into the hole of pretending the wolves will act like I think they will, but your theory seems to be rather contradictory in several places. SD won't vote for Darthe (making him stand out) but Dice will (making him stand out). The wolves want to protect SD at all costs, but Darthe votes for him the whole game and SD didn't protect himself by voting for Darthe (and gaining town cred for doing so willingly). 

 

Do you honestly not see these contradictions? 

 

Other people's perspective would be welcome. Any time you want to join in, lol. Still asleep at 6am, shocking slanking people. 

[DPR]

On 5/17/2025 at 5:08 PM, keyholder21 said:

The woods were silent last night.
Too silent.

And that silence did something to the campers. It curled around their thoughts, pulling at their nerves.

One of them must have heard something.
A snapped twig. A breath too close.
Whatever it was, it was enough.

A shot rang out before midnight.

When morning comes, one of the campers is found near the trail — eyes wide, blood on the leaves, weaponless.
They weren’t hunting.
They weren’t a threat.
They were just… unlucky.

Whispers spread fast. “It had to be the thing in the woods,” someone mutters.
But no one looks convinced.

 

Tephulis, Vanilla Townie, has been killed.

 

And that’s not the only empty bunk.

 

The second body is discovered slumped over their journal, a page torn in half mid-sentence.
The one who had been asking questions.
The one who had been watching.

Two are gone.
One taken by the forest.
The other by fear.

And something out there is getting bolder.

 

Gabriel Kross, Camp Cop, has been killed.

 

 

 

This is the end of N1

 

It has been said that Key’s description of Teph’s death points to a Town Vig and not a double Mafia NK

 

Question 1: Does everyone agree with this? 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

That is definitely what the scene says. But whether we should take that as gospel or just flavour I dont know. Ithi's Among Us involving named characters was totally flavour and Ithi declared it, Darthe's action heros was exactly following the NAs and gameplay and said PAFO to see if it was accurate. I suppose we could ask @keyholder21keyholder21 but maybe it shouldn't really be part of the game.

[DPR]

On 5/13/2025 at 11:01 AM, keyholder21 said:

Players:

1. @HeavyHalfMoonBlade

2. Tephulis - Vanilla Townie - Killed N1

3. @DPR

4. Darthe - Mafia Bus Driver, 50% Chance Success - Lynched D2

5. Peacesells - Vanilla Townie - Lynched D1
6.@Tigraine

7. @Turin Turambar

8. Gabriel Kross - Camp Cop - Killed N1

9. @ed2funy

10. @dicetosser1

11. @SinisterDeath

 

 

Backups:

1. @Ithillian Turambar

Above is the current player list. 
 

Darthe was a Bus Driver with a 50% chance of success. 
 

In my mind, this seems a bit underpowered for the Mafia team. 
 

If we answer question  1 “yes” and we factor in ed’s uncountered Vig claim, then we have a Town Vig with a nightly kill. 
 

That’s a lot of power

 

I know my claim is real, so that’s even more power

 

Town Roles so far:

 

- Cop

- Vig with a nightly kill

- JOAT with 1x Investigate, 1x Jailkeep, 1x RB, 1x Double Vote

 

Mafia Roles so far: 

 

- NK

- Bus Driver with 50% of success

 

Question 2: Does this seem like Mafia is underpowered?

 

Question 3: If yes, what role could the last 2 mafia have that would balance the scales? 

[DPR]

4 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

That is definitely what the scene says. But whether we should take that as gospel or just flavour I dont know. Ithi's Among Us involving named characters was totally flavour and Ithi declared it, Darthe's action heros was exactly following the NAs and gameplay and said PAFO to see if it was accurate. I suppose we could ask @keyholder21keyholder21 but maybe it shouldn't really be part of the game.

Agreed, and I often make the point that themes are for flavor only. 
 

However, it wouldn’t be the first time a mod has breadcrumbed a little something into the narrative. I also don’t think Key would have worded something to misdirect us. 
 

However, however - I’m in no mood to game the mod, so it is what it is. I’m just trying to put together the current state of the game in my thoughts. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

So DPR has turned into Turin? 

 

What is the point of this speculation? We don't even know the claims are true, so building anything on that shaky foundation will be tricky. 

 

We also cannot forget the Jailbreak autocorrect that Darthe knew was a jailkeep without clarification and nor did he ask. Yeah, I don't think this game is straightforward at all. 

[DPR]

Which brings us to: 

 

A Vig claim is easy for Mafia to make - they can back it up and say the other NK was role locked or whatever

 

Darthe did kindly leave us that remark when he said we could do something with a Vig, RB, Jailkeep plan. 
 

But ed is uncountered and that scene says what it says. 
 

So I’m keeping ed in my Town core

 

Question 4: Does this seem correct?

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

I don't think so. We are firmly WIFOM territory with claims. 

 

Maybe the mafia have a NA reflector or something so Ed is baiting the real Vig's shot which will kill them. Maybe something else, though another bus driver seems unlikely, and a dead Vig turning up would be suspicious for Ed. 

 

I don't know. It is an unCC'd claim. It seems likely there is a Vig of some kind out there. 

 

I don't understand the concept of a town core. You guys are more trusting than me. 

 

This is definitely a important night and it seems a lot of things will be closer to conclusion one way or the other at the end of it. 

[DPR]

We do have some strange behaviors to account for: 

 

- SD has in fact spent much more time talking about non-game topics than anything related to the game. 
 

Is he just free associating his way through the game? Or is there a post restriction in play? I’ve leaned toward the former, but with that 50% chance on Darthe’s role, I can’t ignore the possibility of the latter. 
 

Then we have dice’s last minute vote. He’s given an explanation for it, but it still sticks out like a sore thumb. 
 

If I look at it for face value, it’s easy to think he protected SD from a lynch. And that’s after his vote was on SD all day. 
 

Why?

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Something else: such as what if Ed is mafia with a bpv? The real Vig will waste their shot and to everyone else it will look like Ed must be the real deal. 

 

Don't know how likely this is, but I'm not sure how speculating or what might happen is going to help. 

[DPR]

14 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

Official Vote Count

 

SD (3) - Dice, Darthe, Turin

Darthe (2) - DPR, Heavy

Turin (1) - SD

 

Not Voting (2): Tig, Eddie

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

Day 2 Deadline

 

Deadline in 5 minutes.

This was the last vote count before dice moved his vote to Darthe, 5 minutes to deadline. 
 

He gave it a moment longer before his last-minute jump to Darthe

 

His vote was on SD all day and he never brought up any case against Darthe. He waited until the last minute to move his vote - something a player does when they don’t want to give anyone else time to counter their move. 

Question 4: Is this pretty much Occam’s Razor? 
 

Question 5: Why be so obvious about it? 
 

Question 6: Is it possible that the Wolves just wanted to get to night so that they could pull out the big guns we can’t see and maybe wrap up the game? 
 

 

 

 

[DPR]

6 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Something else: such as what if Ed is mafia with a bpv? The real Vig will waste their shot and to everyone else it will look like Ed must be the real deal. 

 

Don't know how likely this is, but I'm not sure how speculating or what might happen is going to help. 

As the uninformed majority, the only advantage the Town really has is our ability to talk and reason through who the wolves are. 
 

The trick is to posit what-ifs without descending into rabbit holes

[DPR]

13 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Something else: such as what if Ed is mafia with a bpv? The real Vig will waste their shot and to everyone else it will look like Ed must be the real deal. 

 

Don't know how likely this is, but I'm not sure how speculating or what might happen is going to help. 

Also, if you feel speculation isn’t helpful, how should we hunt the wolves? 

[Ithillian Turambar]

9 hours and 11 minutes till end of Night 2

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

By constructing theories and testing them. Like Turin is saying the wolves were trying to protect SD, which I'd why Dice moved his vote. But why then was Darthe voting SD, and why was SD not protecting himself by voting Darthe? If you can speculate something that answers those questions it makes the theory much more plausible. Speculating for the sake of considering every role there could be doesn't seem to help solve anything. 

 

We should be starting with suspicious behaviour, even as in the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime, the suspicious behaviour is the lack of something.

 

Is Ed telling the truth just does not seem something that can be discussed outside of what our gut tells us and what can be deducted from facts, which are really thin on the ground when we don't know if the Vig was 1x, or what the mafia roles are. 

[DPR]

3 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

By constructing theories and testing them. Like Turin is saying the wolves were trying to protect SD, which I'd why Dice moved his vote. But why then was Darthe voting SD, and why was SD not protecting himself by voting Darthe? If you can speculate something that answers those questions it makes the theory much more plausible. Speculating for the sake of considering every role there could be doesn't seem to help solve anything. 

 

We should be starting with suspicious behaviour, even as in the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime, the suspicious behaviour is the lack of something.

 

Is Ed telling the truth just does not seem something that can be discussed outside of what our gut tells us and what can be deducted from facts, which are really thin on the ground when we don't know if the Vig was 1x, or what the mafia roles are. 

Okay

 

Why was Darthe voting SD?  Because SD was an easy place to park a vote and make Darthe seem like he was active? Or, if SD is mafia, distancing. 
 

Why was SD not protecting himself? If SD is to be believed, because he really thought it was a hammer game and he wanted to move to night without a mislynch. Or, if SD is mafia, because he thought Darthe’s role was more valuable than SD’s? 
 

The crux for those question lay in whether or not SD is acting, or playing a genuine game. 
 

Which one do you think?