Camp Dreadfall Mafia Game -- GAME OVER -- MAFIA WIN!

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

If people claim VT that gives the mafia nearly a 100% chance of a NK because they won't be protected. And how does it help town as mafia are definitely going to claim to be town of some sort, so I don't see how you separate true from false. 

[Turin Turambar]

6 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The problem is though that what if the mafia have a Strongarm or roleblocker or something similar. Wouldn't all this claiming business cut the odds of the mafia finding the Doc? I don't know. They'll want the Vig gone but may take that chance if they are feeling lucky. It feels like it would be really easy for the mafia to take advantage of this... 

I really think if it was a strongarm they would have used it on the cop. I don't really see a multi use strongarm in this small a game. Possible but unlikely. The RB is a possibility for sure. Which is part of why I would rather have the VT claims over the role claims. The role claims make the mafia choice obvious. The VT claims only gives a pool with the vig being the current juiciest choice.

[ed2funy]

8 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

I would say further that if it is allowed, that the doc (presuming one exists, which I'm not currently sure of) protects themselves. Their security is probably the most important mechanism left in the game.

 

Ed, why did you wait to reveal you shot Tephulis? We could be several hours ahead in conversation if you had said so earlier. 

I felt bad about it and wasn’t sure it was the best idea to reveal. 
 

but worse case scenario, even if I die tonight, my kill still goes through. So we have a chance to come back even if we mislynch. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Aaaaand again any semblance of hunting wolves has been killed. I think we need everyone else's thoughts on alignment not chat endlessly about roles. I mean if DPR can prove his role, sure. But I don't see how anything else is better than WIFOM with a great deal of info being gleaned by the wolves. 

[Turin Turambar]

Just now, ed2funy said:

I felt bad about it and wasn’t sure it was the best idea to reveal. 
 

but worse case scenario, even if I die tonight, my kill still goes through. So we have a chance to come back even if we mislynch. 

That is what I said. I do understand your PoV. Especially if you have a shot.

[ed2funy]

3 hours ago, DPR said:

@ed2funy Will you give us the details of your role? You’ve implied Vig - do you have a nightly kill or is it limited shots? 

Yes Vig. No limits. It’s a “I just started blasting” kinda situation. 

[Turin Turambar]

4 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

If people claim VT that gives the mafia nearly a 100% chance of a NK because they won't be protected. And how does it help town as mafia are definitely going to claim to be town of some sort, so I don't see how you separate true from false. 

If we.lynch from the VT pool and mafia shoots into the VT pool it gets really small really fast. Like really really fast. Even.more.so.if.Ed.is.vig and he shoots into.that pool.

 

Furthermore if there is a Doc and.he.can self.protect and.not reveal then he can stay alive indefinitely. 

 

Eds already out so most likely is they kill him tonight. Or they guess into whatever group they think best.

 

I definitely think it should be the VTs that claim.

[Turin Turambar]

5 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Aaaaand again any semblance of hunting wolves has been killed. I think we need everyone else's thoughts on alignment not chat endlessly about roles. I mean if DPR can prove his role, sure. But I don't see how anything else is better than WIFOM with a great deal of info being gleaned by the wolves. 

We can multi task. Make a case. We're still here.  I'm still mostly convinced I'm right about SD and DPR but I do think the VT claim idea has some merit if every is willing and can make it happen quickly in real time. Like everyone present.  Then .1.2.3 VT claims go. Everyone has like a minute. If it is dribble dribble then it has less merit as slackers will slank with purpose. 

[DPR]

7 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

Yes Vig. No limits. It’s a “I just started blasting” kinda situation. 

To be clear, I’m asking Turin to reveal because he already did - I’m not asking for more reveals (just pointing out what if’s if they did)

 

I revealed because I think what I have can help
 

Okay, nightly Vig

 

That means Mafia should be pretty stacked

 

I agree with Turin that Mafia, if they had a Strongman shot, would’ve used it on the Cop.

 

We’ve got 5 town, 3 reveled PR’s - here we go:

 

I’m JOAT  - I’ve got a 1x Investigate, 1x Roleblock, 1x Double Vote & 1x Jailbreak

 

Depending on what Turin has, that ought to flesh out what we think Mafia has and decide how we can use all this to win

[Turin Turambar]

8 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

Yes Vig. No limits. It’s a “I just started blasting” kinda situation. 

OK.  Current thoughts about folks? I'm trying to stay present and not go searching stuff right now. 

[Turin Turambar]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

To be clear, I’m asking Turin to reveal because he already did - I’m not asking for more reveals (just pointing out what if’s if they did)

 

I revealed because I think what I have can help
 

Okay, nightly Vig

 

That means Mafia should be pretty stacked

 

I agree with Turin that Mafia, if they had a Strongman shot, would’ve used it on the Cop.

 

We’ve got 5 town, 3 reveled PR’s - here we go:

 

I’m JOAT  - I’ve got a 1x Investigate, 1x Roleblock, 1x Double Vote & 1x Jailbreak

 

Depending on what Turin has, that ought to flesh out what we think Mafia has and decide how we can use all this to win

What did you use? 

[Turin Turambar]

And what is a jailbreak?

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

To be clear, I’m asking Turin to reveal because he already did - I’m not asking for more reveals (just pointing out what if’s if they did)

 

I revealed because I think what I have can help
 

Okay, nightly Vig

 

That means Mafia should be pretty stacked

 

I agree with Turin that Mafia, if they had a Strongman shot, would’ve used it on the Cop.

 

We’ve got 5 town, 3 reveled PR’s - here we go:

 

I’m JOAT  - I’ve got a 1x Investigate, 1x Roleblock, 1x Double Vote & 1x Jailbreak

 

Depending on what Turin has, that ought to flesh out what we think Mafia has and decide how we can use all this to win

Did you not say you can prove your role? 

[ed2funy]

3 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Well I just woke up from my nap and I have some thoughts. Beware because there is some setup info And speculation here... spoilered because I talk.

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First this is the OP. It contains the setup info.

A note to start, my understanding was there was originally supposed to be 12 players with 9 townies. One was lost so I am guessing some balance alterations had to be made. There are 3 mafia with 1 or 2 prs. There was a cop so it's possible (maybe even likely) there was a Godfather. This is good news because that role is now wasted and mafia may not have any other roles. Ed has claimed vig so that would be 2 town roles if he is telling the truth. My understandingof role balance has vig as neutral,  possibly slightly better for mafia (Darthe and DPR have modded that i know of so correct me if im wrong), so adding a vig doesn't solve the balance issue. Maybe a mafia role got removed/nerfed. I guess we will see tonight if there are any surprises. I have a town role ( not doc, not LD lol), so that makes 3 for town (again assuming Ed is truly vig). I think a doc or some similar role is likely here even if it might not fit thematically. I'm really only including this because it colours my thought process so I hope it helps you understand my perspective. 

Anyway I have suspicions on everyone but some are more tinfoil than anything. 

@ed2funy: (claimed vig) I would feel better about him if he had shot SD because that would have been better info wise. I saw him say he followed Peace on his shot. I want to see Eds take on both of those players. Also not a fan of his EoD1. 

@Darthe: I really don't like him jumping out to in his words hijack the game. His stating that he was 90% on SD with a little Ed sus only to nearly immediately go squirrel on Heavy sketches me the fluff out. Also his shushing my back and forth with DPR today was a bit odd. 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade: I've been mostly leaning town here but there are occasional things that have struck me weird. I think there were some SD defense that seemed odd and his sitting on the sidelines at EoD was striking. i neee to look at his reads more.

@Tigraine: not as present as I would like. I understand there is a lot of RL going on for her right now so I'm trying to work past it. I don't understand the viewpoint that saying you are town is not town. I mean everybody's town here right? I can see not giving cred for it but citing it as a negative I don't follow. Her EoD was somewhat concerning as well. It felt like she was never gonna vote anyone other than Peace but just held off for some reason. I dunno, why though?? 

@dicetosser1: I don't like overly grumpy Dice. It feels like a smokescreen. There was a point at EoD he flat out said he wasnt voting SD and now today he is firmly convinced that SD is mafia. Feels like a bus situation. It is worse for me because he has tried to link me with SD and intends to vote me tomorrow on a SD flip. I fully expect at some point today he will flip his vote to me if there is any chance to get me lynched even though he has no real case. He admitted as much at EoD and his attempt to link me to SD is flimsy as fluff.

@SinisterDeath: I've said quite a bit already. The lack of real commitment to any take. His TMI defense of DPR (regardless of DPRs alignmealignment is more so.im not gonna rehash all of it here.

@DPR: He didn't have SD as town all day. In fact he had him 1 spot out of his mafia group which is a common place for mafia to.place a teammate so they can sus some but not have to vote. He has constantly asked people to define their case on SD but wasn't willing to do the same for Peace saying things like "I've been clear". To me it is likely he is afraid he will contradict himself again. He has also been doing the "negging" thing that I associate with strong rep players when they role mafia. Tom was the one I remember it most from. Putting themselves above the fray. Calling play bad or dumb or garbage. If my take is bad then I think people will figure it out on their own. Thus last thing I just thought of during my nap (where I again dreamed of lunching large wolves). He has changes his arguments of why he had SD town more than once trying to find something that will resonate. He is changing because he doesn't really believe it himself. It's the same reason he contradicted himself when sussing me in the same sentence was both mafia and bad town. The nastiness was also apparent in his posts from beginning of today. That nastiness he said he uses as mafia.

 

Anyway  this is too long by half so sorry.

 

Right now I'm convinced that SD and DPR are mafia. My current thought is Dice is the third but don't really trust anyone right now. The fact nothing happened while I typed this thing is frankly alarming to me.

why claim inside a spoiler where seemingly think people won’t read because you’re talking about set up?

[ed2funy]

3 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Also I have been thinking about this - but why has Ed claimed when we don't know if there is a doc or a strongman or a roleblocker or anything like that and he says he has shots left? I cannot quite see the angle where it helps town to know who shot Teph. Could someone explain this to me? I really have drawn a blank.

There’s nothing going on. This will help us start analyzing votes and actions better. Especially now with two people claiming town PRs. If we take that at face value, it could help us focus in on mafia 

[Turin Turambar]

1 minute ago, ed2funy said:

why claim inside a spoiler where seemingly think people won’t read because you’re talking about set up?

One, to see who is paying attention.  Two because it wasn't a complete reveal and I was giving it to show the numbers I was using in my thinking. It makes a difference. If I know there are 2 town roles confirmed to me with 2 more claimed then it changes the math on the speculation.  If people aren't reading then that's on them. It was spoilered for length. I know ironic as the post was very long with the rest of it. Originally I was gonna put each thought group in spoilers but forgot and didn't want to retype all of it.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

3 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

If we take that at face value, it could help us focus in on mafia 

Not sure I like the work the conditionals are doing there. 

[DPR]

14 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

There’s nothing going on. This will help us start analyzing votes and actions better. Especially now with two people claiming town PRs. If we take that at face value, it could help us focus in on mafia 

This

 

We gotta plant a flag somewhere. We have five hours to try and lynch a wolf. The alternative is to get mired down into endless WIFOM and let confusion guide us

 

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

So it isn't worth looking at why when you suspect Turin, and he suspects you, you are working together on this? 

 

Also I repeat, did you not say you could prove your role? What did you do last night? 

6 minutes ago, DPR said:

This

 

We gotta plant a flag somewhere. We have five hours to try and lynch a wolf. The alternative is to get mired down into endless WIFOM and let confusion guide us

 

 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Official Vote Count

 

Darthe (2) - DPR, Heavy

DPR (1) - Turin

SD (1) - Dice

 

Not Voting (4): Tig, Eddie, SD, Darthe

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

Day 2 Deadline

[DPR]

6 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So it isn't worth looking at why when you suspect Turin, and he suspects you, you are working together on this? 

 

Also I repeat, did you not say you could prove your role? What did you do last night? 

 

I didn’t do anything last night - you save roles like this for later

[Ithillian Turambar]

5 hours and 14 minutes till end of Day 2

 

So much postings. Yay!

[Turin Turambar]

40 minutes ago, DPR said:

To be clear, I’m asking Turin to reveal because he already did - I’m not asking for more reveals (just pointing out what if’s if they did)

 

I revealed because I think what I have can help
 

Okay, nightly Vig

 

That means Mafia should be pretty stacked

 

I agree with Turin that Mafia, if they had a Strongman shot, would’ve used it on the Cop.

 

We’ve got 5 town, 3 reveled PR’s - here we go:

 

I’m JOAT  - I’ve got a 1x Investigate, 1x Roleblock, 1x Double Vote & 1x Jailbreak

 

Depending on what Turin has, that ought to flesh out what we think Mafia has and decide how we can use all this to win

 

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

I didn’t do anything last night - you save roles like this for later

This doesn't give me much confidence that you are town. In a small game like this it is not imo a good thing to wait.

Also can you clarify what exactly each thing is?

Is the investigation a regular cop or like a role cop?

Th RB is self explanatory

Double.vote I think i understand but verify that you get to vote twice in one day period. Do you have to select that the night before?

What exactly is a jailbreak? I.looked in the Wiki but couldn't  find it.

[Darthe]

vote sd

 

There may be a way to coordinate the jail keep, doc, and vig together so that we almost guarantee another day even with a mislynch.

[Darthe]

Today has been such a headache.  I’m right too much for y’all to give me so little credit, so going back to the bases here.  Lynch SD, resolve from there.