90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Ithillian Turambar]

On 4/25/2025 at 3:31 PM, Tigraine said:

 

No, I'm not taking it personal. Like I said, it is what it is.  

 

Thanks for the clarity on the condemner.  Am I misremembering someone saying that about names though? 

 

Okay, like I said, I won't be back on before deadline so I'm gonna say what I gotta say...

 

A lot of people have me on the sus list and that's fine.  However, almost everyone that has listed reasons, have used misquoted or misrepresented reasons.  If you read back over it, you will see I'm not wrong.

 

Heavy? (I think, don't have time to look back) said I defended DPR (which now with his roleclaim, it might make the issue a moot point idk) but I asked for him/them to show me where that happened but I never saw that response (maybe I missed it) I also thought it was odd (and I mentioned it at the time) that Heavy refused to give a reason as to why he gave a sus read on someone else.  Why would you not want to prove your point? So Heavy is by far the top of my list based on these things.

 

I asked Dice what he thought I flip flopped on but I didn't see a response (maybe I missed it as well). I'm not necessarily saying this is sus, just that it's odd to me that someone wouldn't want to show their work.

 

As for anyone else, I'm not going to lie, it's hard for me to set aside all the misquoted or misrepresented stuff that's being thrown out about me.  It has seemed to happen just enough that everyone is taking those quotes and representations and using them to pile on thing after thing which they're calling sus.  But if you look back at the things you have mentioned, you'll see I'm not wrong.

 

Honestly, the mafia would be idiots to waste a NK on me because I'm on most people's sus list.  They can kill (or attempt to kill) a different townie then leave me on the Chopping block for tomorrow.  

 

As I've said, you all are gonna see what you wanna see and believe what you want to believe but if you actually read the things I've said and compare them to the things people have said or implied I said, you'll see why its hard for me to pinpoint one between you that's scum because you're all doing the work for them.  

 

So Heavy is my number one for reasons stated above.  But I'm not real sure who I'd place number two, also for reasons stated above.  

 

 

@Tigraine you had Heavy at the top of your suss list yesterday 

 

And yet today you voted Marsh.

 

4 hours ago, Tigraine said:

This is what ended up on the OP eventually concerning the role.

 

 

 

 

This was included in Turin's explanation he supposedly received from Darthe.

 

It doesn't appear in what Darthe explained about the role.  Seems like someone really did know more about the role than everyone else.  So did Darthe accidentally slip info to a player via PM about a role that wasn't theirs or did the condemner actually out themselves.

 

Unless I missed it, Darthe didn't confirm that he sent a separate PM to Turin, he just clarified the role. Was it Ironeyes that replaced Turin?

 

vote ironeyes 

 

The person you replaced slipped up.  🤷‍♀️

 

 

But at the time you did this, I had only quoted Turin's expo post and the consensus was that Turin giving us this information was a pretty Town thing to do.

 

There's no mention of his earlier posts so at this point I don't think you have found any slip, cos you were just going off my quoted posts. 

 

Is Heavy still your top suspect or is that now Marsh. I can see you've unvoted again since.

 

What made you go for Marsh today.

[keyholder21]

34 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

I think I kind of agree with the thoughts that Turin would absolutely want to know all the details of a role, but I thought I'd read back because why would he bother to ask the question of Darthe as to how the condemner worked in the first place? What caused him to need to ask?

 

And if he was the condemner why would he post all that info in the thread to help Town?

 

so I'd seen a lot of chatter earlier when I was looking for timestamps.

 

This is something that I didn't even clock at the time.

 

 

 

 

So he is saying at this point that he thinks there could be 3 deaths in a night. 

 

 

DPR questions this because a condemner, according to the wiki, has to be on the Lynch of their target.

 

 

So he ends this exchange with saying he misunderstood and that he made a mistake.

 

And if he did make a mistake then he would maybe ask Darthe to clarify. Turin does not like not knowing all the nitty gritty. 

 

And then he posts the big info dump that he got from Darthe and then later Darthe comes in and says yeah my bad, I made the Condemner cooler.

 

So I can see both sides of this. Town Turin needs to know everything. Makes a mistake in the Thread because he doesnt know what a condemner does and has assumed it's a night kill. That drives him nuts so he asks Darthe to explain what that role does and then shares all that info with us, including the warning not to give our character names. We all know how he can be a bit 110% at times.

 

But contrarywise, Turin was expecting multiple kills because he knew the condemner was a Night Kill thing. He never checked the set up, just his PM, so talked about it in the thread. Got called out cos standard condemner doesn't kill at night.

 

Had a chat with Darthe and did the expo drop to cover his own arse.

 

Okay, damn, that does look weird. Especially considering the discussion of Marsh not being target and then immediately saying SK in the second post instead of condemner.  Also the excluding of mafia comment is kinda weird too? Why would mafia be excluded if the role is a third party?

 

I did think his play looked like town Turin as I was trying to read through, but I think some of that might be colored by this post standing out to me and looking townie.

[Ithillian Turambar]

17 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I suppose for Turin it would come to if Darthe anywhere mentioned NK for the role in the lead up to the game. Because given the confusion, it does seem unlikely that he got that info from the wiki. Indeed if everyone else was thinking it was the wiki role, then it would have to Turin. Except, WIFOM, the real Condemner did not want to bring it up for exactly this reason. Seems a shame though if someone is outed due to a mod slip. Though I suppose there is nothing to be done about that. It is still WIFOM however you look at it. 

 

If that makes sense. 

 

Well considering I think you are Mafia or 3rd party lol

 

But when I went back, cos I remember Turin saying oh so I was mistaken about the role and that would have explained why he asked Darthe, cos the info drop on it's own is a very pro town move., I had a look around either side for context.

 

But yeah it is Turin and he could easily have assumed what the role did and made a mistake and then needed to know for sure.

 

But he could also have made a mistake. 

 

But he's not here now so we can't ask him and there's no point asking Marsh because Marsh is not Turin.

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

On 4/22/2025 at 11:39 AM, Turin Turambar said:

I would say the chance of Ironeyes being the target is small (1/12, 1/9 if mafia are excluded). It is possible but an SK still wants to kill mafias, especially the RB and strongman.

 

 

Well that makes me feel better about my initial reads @keyholder21 because in his second post he does gives odds with the Mafia being excluded.

 

And darthe has confirmed it is random so the Mafia are not excluded. 

 

So maybe it was just Turin being Turin and guessing what the role was, because of the second itteration of it being serial killer. If the 2nd part is a killer then he just assumed the 1st part was too.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Yeah I think I just posted all that for no reason, cos if Turin was the condemner he'd have had a PM that would have explained everything,  so he would have known that it was a random target and that the Mafia would not be excluded.

 

Sorry for wasting everyone's time. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

I guess I'm back to just Heavy and Tigs and a mystery person 😞

[dicetosser1]

8 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

Yes the most important thing to take from this Heavy is that loss was completely Dice's fault and me incorrectly tunnelling Dice into the center of the earth had absolutely 0 effect on the game.....

 

*Runs from Dice*

 

 

LOLOLOLOLOL 

 

Love u Dice 💟 💟 💟 

talk about misrepresentation….

 

 

7 hours ago, Tigraine said:

 

It's strange to see you call someone out for doing exactly what you've done to me but whatever 

 

Yeah I haven't seen it either. 

 

Ed is the one who told me about the game.  Hadn't talked to him in awhile and he messaged me on Facebook telling me something along the lines of there was a game with some old school players and it was filling up fast to get my hillbilly @$$ over here lol

 

I was almost always greeted hello in games by him voting for me.  And that's how I took it.

 

Ngl, DPR claiming to stir the pot to draw a NK doesn't make sense.  Mafia doesn't want to NK people who cause chaos or looks scummy because it's easier for them to hide in a group of people that do that.  Just like it's unlikely for them to NK someone who a lot of people find sus unless they suspect a power role in that person.  Why use their kill to take out someone the group is likely to do the next day?

 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade it's misleading to say I Sussed you because you wouldn't follow Zander or whatever you said.  I just thought that someone asking you to point out where they done what you said they done or to elaborate on your reads was pretty standard and not responding with evidence as not so standard for town.  THAT is why I sussed you on it.  Add to that your hypocritical "people misrepresent my posts" while misrepresenting someone's post and yeah...that's pretty scummy to me. 

 

@Ithillian Turambar I don't recall if it was you that I responded to but putting me into someone who tries to remain neutral is in fact a misrepresentation of my posts and I've responded in regards to the reasoning for having only found a few people that I found scummy.  When I did feel hard core about someone being scummy, I went after them.  Yes the first one I went all-out Ober has now even confirmed to be the doc so it admittedly doesn't look good on my behalf but th÷ whole interaction was hardly me remaining neutral.  As for my unwillingness to point out other people that look scummy it's because almost everyone does to me.  The reasoning, as stated in my response to someone else in regards to this matter, is because more than a few have misquoted and misrepresented stuff I've said.  I encouraged people to reread and see what I'm talking about.  I am trying to sort through who is doing it on purpose and who is doing it because they're lazy and only skim reading, therefore only catching the misquotes and misreps.

 

@dicetosser1, it was you who I've asked multiple times to tell me where I flip flopped and might have been you that said I agreed with everything DPR said.  Yet I still haven't gotten that.

 

It's another WoT and I'm sorry for that but I'm trying to do my catch up and am responding page by page. These are in response to page 91 of 98 so that's where I've made it to so far.

 

Iirc it was the I think Ed is town to the I think I have blinders on re Eddie and then voting him

 

thought i was fairly clear about that
 

 

5 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

That hurts 😭

 

 

And I'm whining? There is no need so brutally honest. You could tone it down a bit. 

 

 

I find it weird that you complain about the brutal honesty here yet I was worse and you didn’t say anything

 

whats the difference between keys brutal and mine?

 

 

4 hours ago, Tigraine said:

 

He does.  But he does NOT say that the condemner would know which character?

 

And maybe I'm wrong and that Turin/Ironeyes isn't the condemner but scum.  We don't know what kind of reads our doc is supposed to get, he's been blocked.  Maybe Turin had another reason to not want characters names announced.  But he says something that the mod does not.  

 

 

 

Isn’t it just basic logic that the condemned has to know who they’re looking for? If they don’t and claims happen then their automatically hamstrung by not knowing

[Tigraine]

4 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

 

I was just in a game with Turin and he was obsessive about mechanics.  I can see him PMing darthe for clarification.

 

I maintain, why would someone who is third party post clarifying posts about their role in the game?  I just DO NOT see it happening.

 

 

Why would IE clear anything up if he's the condemner??? He's not going to come on thread and be like, "yep, this is what my PM says"???

 

 

Okay, then quote them for me?  I have literally posted about not being able to keep up this game.

 

 

I wasn't asking Iron to reveal the role PM.  Just wondering it the one specifying the part about the condemner knowing the character name.  It may be nothing, like I said, but I don't like to assume that something means something when it doesn't say it.  Darthes clarification doesn't say that the condemner would know the character... it doesn't say they won't.   But Turin said they did.  So if one player was given information about a role that is not theirs, then it's something we should all know.  The games you played with Turin? Was he scum? Have you ever played with him where he wasn't town? If so, was gameplay different or no?

 

I will go back and get all the quotes by me in reference to my suspicion of Rand if you'd like but it will take awhile.

 

I didn't think it was scummy that Rand saved the unCCd cop.  I thought it was weird that immediately afterwards, he denied believing the claim saying something like "nice try" then turned straight around and voted for Marsh.  That was 1 thing that made me kinda raise my eyebrows.  However, Rand finally did go and explain that part to where it made sense.  He said the post saying nice try was in regards to Dice's soft claims....it took him awhile to explain that part but that's what he's referring to about me sussing someone for "saving" the claimed cop.

 

There were other reasons, in addition to that, which caused me to sus him more.  Deadline was approaching, he was posting nonstop.  One liners.  To me this made the whole thing more chaotic.  It seemed like anyone getting on to hurry and catch up needed way less spam to wade through. If the claimed cop would've gotten lynched because no one had time to catch it, then Rand would've had a bit of deniability in that he unvoted...wasn't his fault someone else hammered. 

 

I also found it sus that he demanded a hard claim when Dice was soft claiming.  I've been told now by others that it wasn't so obvious but to me at the time it was.

 

Finally, adding all of those up mixed with the fact that he absolutely could not believe anyone found his actions scummy (and i mean absolutely, he went on about it ceaselessly for days) and i really and truly though he was scum.

 

As I said, I will get all the posts and all the times I've had to clarify my posts due to people saying things like I thought it was sus because he saved the unCCd cop or rand's claim that I was sussing him for being too active.  It got old, very fast, and it was more than Rand or Heavy.  

 

3 hours ago, Ironeyes said:

Popping in between family photos. Tigraine's whole thing against me is angle shooty as all get out. 

I was not 

 

as much as i would like it to be aa easy as Rand made it look with getting ed to slip up, it isnt.  We have to catch moments and nuances and push to see what shakes loose.  It may all be completely irrelevant but it stuck out to me when i was reading the stuff about Heavy's supposed slip.  

3 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

 

@Tigraine you had Heavy at the top of your suss list yesterday 

 

And yet today you voted Marsh.

 

 

 

But at the time you did this, I had only quoted Turin's expo post and the consensus was that Turin giving us this information was a pretty Town thing to do.

 

There's no mention of his earlier posts so at this point I don't think you have found any slip, cos you were just going off my quoted posts. 

 

Is Heavy still your top suspect or is that now Marsh. I can see you've unvoted again since.

 

What made you go for Marsh today.

 

Heavy is still up on my list. As I was reading the stuff about his supposed slip, that's when I came across, maybe you, had quoted Turin.  While I was reading his quotes, I saw that about the condemner knowing the random character.  It pinged right then with Darthes clarification and the addition to the OP.  Everyone was making such a big deal out of the fact that Heavy used the word "random" as did the OP but in a different context.  So seeing the word "character" in a different context stood out.  The moment i saw that, I thought it was a slip of some sort.  

 

Nyns question of why would Turin tell us that if he was the condemner and needed to find a specific character, because he went on to say maybe we shouldn't name characters, was a really good point.   But it doesn't mean I'm wrong that he isn't town.  Maybe he is.  Maybe he misunderstood exactly what Darthe meant and paraphrased wrong.  Maybe he's mafia and has some other reason to not want people to out their names so he used the uncertainty of the condemner specifics to get that out there while looking like a good little townie....I honestly don't know but there is something not right about it.

 

That why I was trying to get Darthe to clarify if that part is correct or hoped they had forwarded the specific PM that Turin received.  With Turin not being here, I can't get the clarification I need to put it to rest in my mind. 

 

As for my suspicions of marsh...idk.  it's hard for me to move past the sus when i cant find out if Turin just misinterpreted accidentally, if Darthe forgot to give us all the info, or if Turin had reasons to want everyone to believe that the condemner knows the specific character. 

 

[Tigraine]

1 hour ago, dicetosser1 said:

Isn’t it just basic logic that the condemned has to know who they’re looking for? If they don’t and claims happen then their automatically hamstrung by not knowing

 

They would need to in a lynching scenario i suppose.  How could you lead a lynch on someone you don't know.  But would they need to for a NK?  I wouldn't think so, seems like that would make it too easy.

[Tigraine]

@Ithillian Turambar maybe Turin assumed the condemner would need to know based on his understanding of the role and therefore warned everyone not to use the character names.  I just really don't know and that's what has me so stuck.  

[Zander?]

6 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

 

Because he's Turin and he talks about game mechanics all the time? lol

 

Again I ask, if he's the condemner, why bring it up at all???

 

You literally react to my post answering this question from you earlier lol

[Zander?]

7 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

I also could eager a pretty easy guess to this question but if it's not a thing then I'm not going through another DPR claiming Heavy outted situation again lol 

 

To try and make people exactly like you and others are...if he was that he's never make this post....like again in not arguing for sure he is just this is something I'd do to try and clear myself/make my 3rd equity seem as low as poss if I was in that position.

[Zander?]

Just now, Zander? said:

 

To try and make people exactly like you and others are...if he was that he's never make this post....like again in not arguing for sure he is just this is something I'd do to try and clear myself/make my 3rd equity seem as low as poss if I was in that position.

 

Like it just create Winfom we all know Turin loves him some Winfom lololololol 

[Zander?]

6 hours ago, Tigraine said:

 

Nothing anyone has posted states that the condemner actually knows their targets character....except Turin. Maybe the condemner does, maybe not.  But why would Turin be informed that the condemner does when the rest of the group wasn't unless he was the condemner.  And why would he lie, if he didn't have ulterior motives?  

 

like I said, maybe he just thought thats what it meant but we can't ask him.  So I'm hoping to get clarification from either Darthe or at the very least, he sends the same message to Iron to clear it up.  

 

 

If you have read ANYTHING I have said about this or better yet, actually read the original posts by me that he is misrepresenting then you would realize no, it is not a good point.  It's being a hypocrite for doing to me EXACTLY what he has accused others of doing to him

 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade you said something earlier that I meant to respond to before I got sidetracked with this condemner stuff.  I'm going to find it now so I can't know exactly what you said and respond to it....you should try it sometime. 

 

 

The role explanation itself basically says the most balanced variant of it is the Condemner not knowing as per it's Mafia scum entry fwiw lol.

[Zander?]

6 hours ago, DPR said:

Dude, you’re all of two and a half games into your mafia journey. Take a moment to understand that , and I know this sounds crazy but, you don’t understand everything yet. This is gettin’ a little weird. 

 

I'm well over 100+ Mafia games and understand basically nothing about Mafia still lololololol 

[Zander?]

5 hours ago, DPR said:

Vote me, case me, troll me all you want. I’m just letting you know that you’re making it weird. 
 

But hey, some people like it weird. Don’t say I didn’t warn you. 

 

Giggity.gif. Lololololol 

[Zander?]

5 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

That is a bizarrely tangential answer. You warned me what? That you aren't mafia? Thanks for the heads up. Noted. 

 

This is not a real word IMHO 

 

[Zander?]

5 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

It's kind of awkward, cos I thought Turin was probably Town, but the stuff I found is now making me go back and forth.

 

See like i said he's always Wolfy AF lolololol 

[Zander?]

4 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

 

Okay, damn, that does look weird. Especially considering the discussion of Marsh not being target and then immediately saying SK in the second post instead of condemner.  Also the excluding of mafia comment is kinda weird too? Why would mafia be excluded if the role is a third party?

 

I did think his play looked like town Turin as I was trying to read through, but I think some of that might be colored by this post standing out to me and looking townie.

 

Like I've been saying it's Turin always expect the unexpected lololololol 

[Zander?]

4 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Yeah I think I just posted all that for no reason, cos if Turin was the condemner he'd have had a PM that would have explained everything,  so he would have known that it was a random target and that the Mafia would not be excluded.

 

Sorry for wasting everyone's time. 

 

No this isn't a good assumption IMHO because Darthe said he made a mistake on the role in the game thread and didn't correct if till AFTER the game started so it's very likely he made the same mistake/assumption with the Role PM would it not?!?!!!! Lolololol 

[Zander?]

2 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

talk about misrepresentation….

 

 

 

Iirc it was the I think Ed is town to the I think I have blinders on re Eddie and then voting him

 

thought i was fairly clear about that
 

 

I find it weird that you complain about the brutal honesty here yet I was worse and you didn’t say anything

 

whats the difference between keys brutal and mine?

 

 

 

Isn’t it just basic logic that the condemned has to know who they’re looking for? If they don’t and claims happen then their automatically hamstrung by not knowing

 

Key is much scarier because she's so much nicer that she would scare me much more if she was angry or brutal at me.....you're default position towards me is that so it's pretty normal for me.... Lololololol 

[Zander?]

Have I mentioned yet how much I hate WoTs and how I find them very Wolfy AF?!?!!!

 

Lololololol 

 

But seriously lol 

 

[Zander?]

Y'all be quiet sadface.gif

[Zander?]

On 4/20/2025 at 5:50 PM, DPR said:

It was actually Turin soft claiming 3p, but you’re rusty and he’s not serious anyway, just setting another trap lol. 

 

Just because I'm skipping and skimming through Day 1 does someone remember where this quote is and of so could someone quote it for me please?

 

 

On 4/20/2025 at 6:24 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Well I'm apparently the wolfiest SoaB to ever exist so hold my beer, lol

 

Can 100% Confirm.

 

Lolololololol

 

But seriously....he is.....lololololol

 

On 4/20/2025 at 8:56 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Presently reading Crossroads of Twilight,  lolololololol 

 

This game???

 

Town to.not so.much

Me: I'm town

Nyn: looking at the right things and just feels town

Ithi: very attention to detail and willing to jump at what she sees. Willing to admit errors. My memory is MAFIA!Ithi just plows along .

 

 

Key: Asking questions, seems to be focused, but I have tinfoil.

 

Lenlo: nothing of note

Tigraine: nothing of note. The single post meant nothing to me.

 

Rand: posted a bit saying nothing. Might mean something,  might mean nothing.

Verb: spanking Verb is slanking

DPR: bad feeling. Tis late here but I will try to flesh it out for you in the morning 

 

Heavy: his initial posts felt "fake". like he was trying to sound like his previous games, but wasn't.  

Ed: seemed to be nudging at Heavy but waffling. I thought it potentially day 1 distancing from a teammate. 

Ironeyes: He says he didn't but I think he did defend Heavy by giving himself (and thus Heavy) an out

Dice: Anti-town behaviour of lynching for lols. It seems hypocritical from someone who rails against his meme of being lynched while asleep. He engaged in anti Town behaviour last game and was mafia. 

 

Currently willing to lynch from Lenlo on down. 

 

 

More or less QFR but Turin usually does have pretty decent reads when Town so I'm trying to decide both his alignment and what to make from this....lol

 

 

On 4/20/2025 at 9:12 PM, dicetosser1 said:

Vote rand

 

Actually quoted this for same reason as Turins just above.  Now being doesn't make someone a Wolf.  I was just wondering was Rand being sussed heavily ATP, was Dice the first or one of the first to push there?

 

On 4/20/2025 at 9:37 PM, DPR said:

Lol, there’s a Noun, Adjective and Verb 🤣

 

Right on the money imo 🤣

 

Nobody reacting to this post is a travesty.  This is by far the best post I've read this game...it's 4:35 am and I was out on my step smoking a dart and lololololold loud enough I woke my neighbor up cause their light turned on and she looked out the window..... LOLOLOLOLOL 

 

 

On 4/20/2025 at 10:11 PM, dicetosser1 said:

lol last game here was a convo on how it was bad to do that @ed2funy

 

On 4/20/2025 at 10:14 PM, DPR said:

 
Terrible post 

 

Adding one’s self to the town list is about as scummy as it gets lol
 

But you’re free to disagree and go ahead and put all your reads out. 

 

 

Finally someone else who understands how fing Scummy putting your own name as Town on your own reads lists is.....I almost wanna clear DPR for this lololololol

 

(I'm no clearing him for this to clarify....I'd just like to lololololol)

[Zander?]

On 4/20/2025 at 10:34 PM, ed2funy said:

Since WHEN?!

 

ihaven’t even started a notepad so you’ll have to wait until I start that. 

 

Since the Dawn of the creation of Mafia IMHO