90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Ithillian Turambar]

But why would anyone make a plan that depends on us not believing Dice is the cop.

 

But then contrarywise who would have known that Dice would be the first Lynch candidate on D1 and that would suck if you were the Mafia team.

 

Who have you checked so far @dicetosser1

 

I've already done too much backwards and forwards, so it would be really kind if you could just tell me.

 

I should be working but now I have this going round and round. 

[DPR]

24 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

If Dice is faking it, he said we would have to kill anyone who counter claims. Maybe they would have claimed if they got a red peek but it's all getting very close now.

 

And we can't risk that Dice is not exactly what he has claimed because people have done math.

If we mislynch, we still have 1 more day if:

 

3p misses their shot &

3p represents town in parity &

Mafia doesn’t shoot who I’m behind. 
 

But that’s a lot of ifs. 

It wouldn’t be crazy for a real cop to cc, even without a red peek, and we certainly wouldn’t auto-lynch them over dice. Town could always vote to ask if the real cop would step out? 
 

Or we can hope things go our way and we get a d5 🤷‍♂️ or catch a wolf today. 

 

I’d rather hear cop claims go back and forth than listen to Tigs go on about 3p again lol

 

I’d also love to hear Verb’s take on everything as he’s been right about everything so far…

[DPR]

4 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

But why would anyone make a plan that depends on us not believing Dice is the cop.

 

But then contrarywise who would have known that Dice would be the first Lynch candidate on D1 and that would suck if you were the Mafia team.

 

Who have you checked so far @dicetosser1

 

I've already done too much backwards and forwards, so it would be really kind if you could just tell me.

 

I should be working but now I have this going round and round. 

I don’t think anyone planned for dice to get run up, he just did and reacted the way anyone would. Rand was the one who pushed for dice to reveal - dice hinted at having a role and Rand was definitely hoping dice would say doc, lol. 
 

 

[DPR]

But if dice was mafia, why would he and the other mafia let ed go down in flames like that? ed didn’t have to draw votes to himself the way he did - he could have easily made a few semi-effort posts and slanked. 

[DPR]

Especially since ed was Stringman - that was important to them. I would have protected that role a lot more 🤷‍♂️

[Ithillian Turambar]

Just now, DPR said:

But if dice was mafia, why would he and the other mafia let ed go down in flames like that? ed didn’t have to draw votes to himself the way he did - he could have easily made a few semi-effort posts and slanked. 

Like Dice said, Ed didn't have any votes until after you claimed. 

 

And I'm pretty sure it was the random pop ups and slanking that got my attention. And the half arsed list that he did. But it did actually all happen very quickly on Ed so I was wrong about that. I thought he had some votes before you claimed

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'd love to stay and chat, but I've got to stop procrastinating and actually do all the work.

 

But also I do want to stay and chat because I want to know what's going on and make sense of everything. I think I much prefer knowing who is who after actually playing a game. 

 

But then I'll get in trouble for not doing work so actually I do need to go.

[DPR]

After the no-kill on n1, I considered that mafia tried to shoot me, which meant my cover was blown and I wouldn’t be able to draw out the kill again. 
 

I decided to risk going over the top and provoking them into making mistakes, knowing I could claim. 
 

ed took the bait and after I claimed, became the lynch. He did stand out well before any votes, though. That’s why the pivot to him went so quickly.

[Nynaeve]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

After the no-kill on n1, I considered that mafia tried to shoot me, which meant my cover was blown and I wouldn’t be able to draw out the kill again. 
 

I decided to risk going over the top and provoking them into making mistakes, knowing I could claim. 
 

ed took the bait and after I claimed, became the lynch. He did stand out well before any votes, though. That’s why the pivot to him went so quickly.

 

Yeah, I think I voted ed before going to bed. All the fun happened while I was snoozing.

[dicetosser1]

1 hour ago, Nynaeve said:

 

Do you think key is more likely scum compared to tigs?

I have had two versions of scum team running thru my head

 

verb Ed key. And Ed key and tig 

 

I really don’t know what to make of tig tbh

 

i agree with peeps that either you or key are the nightmare scum member but I’m riding my read of you so key it is.  If I’m wrong and it is you well it won’t be the first time.

 

 

1 hour ago, Nynaeve said:

I keep thinking what kind of scum team would keep the cop alive. Would egg on ed to fake claim doc to cut their losses.

 

Cause this play could have carried on only if they eliminated the doc, after ed was gone. Feels seasoned and risky play. Question is fo we think a team of ed, tig, key would go there. Unsure.

ok so you got my answer above and then I saw this. This made me stop and think and I think I agree.  I don’t think keeping me alive and sticking to it is an Ed move.  No idea if it’s a key or tig move or not

 

in this crew? I could see dpr or verb pulling it. Turins too straight ahead. He woulda strongmanned me n1 I think.

 

you would’ve straight up shot me in the face and gloated later

it doesn’t fit ithi’S style imo

 

so I’m thinking it’s not key AND tig.  I’m thinking it’s one of them and an old head

 

45 minutes ago, DPR said:

That bugs me as well - plus, ed seemed to me like he was flailing? Almost like he wasn’t working with his team? But that doesn’t make any sense to me either. 

makes me think his team is not very active players. I got frustrated at times last game cause web and Halley weren’t around a ton and there were times I really wanted to bounce things off them.  Our timing for being in at the same time as a time wasn’t very good.

 

 

32 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

But why would anyone make a plan that depends on us not believing Dice is the cop.

 

But then contrarywise who would have known that Dice would be the first Lynch candidate on D1 and that would suck if you were the Mafia team.

 

Who have you checked so far @dicetosser1

 

I've already done too much backwards and forwards, so it would be really kind if you could just tell me.

 

I should be working but now I have this going round and round. 

 

they may not have made the plan until n1 and May have made it BECAUSE it’s me.  I get mislynched a lot.

 

could you see a mafia team doing this if it was Zander? Or turin? Dpr?  I don’t think so.  They don’t get easily mislynched.

 

my views in order were

 

verb

key

tig

 

i got no result every time

 

i very nearly viewed iron eyes instead of Tig last night but didn’t in the end
 

 

30 minutes ago, DPR said:

If we mislynch, we still have 1 more day if:

 

3p misses their shot &

3p represents town in parity &

Mafia doesn’t shoot who I’m behind. 
 

But that’s a lot of ifs. 

It wouldn’t be crazy for a real cop to cc, even without a red peek, and we certainly wouldn’t auto-lynch them over dice. Town could always vote to ask if the real cop would step out? 
 

Or we can hope things go our way and we get a d5 🤷‍♂️ or catch a wolf today. 

 

I’d rather hear cop claims go back and forth than listen to Tigs go on about 3p again lol

 

I’d also love to hear Verb’s take on everything as he’s been right about everything so far…

the real cop HAS stepped out.

 

and I’d TOTALLY autolynch them. A cc is a scum claim. 
 

Is your issue with me being the cop really boil down to just the fact I’m still alive?

 

after all you’ve just said I reacted the same way anyone would when being run up, that I hinted etc

[DPR]

15 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

I have had two versions of scum team running thru my head

 

verb Ed key. And Ed key and tig 

 

I really don’t know what to make of tig tbh

 

i agree with peeps that either you or key are the nightmare scum member but I’m riding my read of you so key it is.  If I’m wrong and it is you well it won’t be the first time.

 

 

ok so you got my answer above and then I saw this. This made me stop and think and I think I agree.  I don’t think keeping me alive and sticking to it is an Ed move.  No idea if it’s a key or tig move or not

 

in this crew? I could see dpr or verb pulling it. Turins too straight ahead. He woulda strongmanned me n1 I think.

 

you would’ve straight up shot me in the face and gloated later

it doesn’t fit ithi’S style imo

 

so I’m thinking it’s not key AND tig.  I’m thinking it’s one of them and an old head

 

makes me think his team is not very active players. I got frustrated at times last game cause web and Halley weren’t around a ton and there were times I really wanted to bounce things off them.  Our timing for being in at the same time as a time wasn’t very good.

 

 

 

they may not have made the plan until n1 and May have made it BECAUSE it’s me.  I get mislynched a lot.

 

could you see a mafia team doing this if it was Zander? Or turin? Dpr?  I don’t think so.  They don’t get easily mislynched.

 

my views in order were

 

verb

key

tig

 

i got no result every time

 

i very nearly viewed iron eyes instead of Tig last night but didn’t in the end
 

 

the real cop HAS stepped out.

 

and I’d TOTALLY autolynch them. A cc is a scum claim. 
 

Is your issue with me being the cop really boil down to just the fact I’m still alive?

 

after all you’ve just said I reacted the same way anyone would when being run up, that I hinted etc

 

Verb, ed & Key - or- ed, Key & Tig

 

Am I starting to listen to the player I've had as fake cop all game? Maybe.

 

@keyholder21 we need to hear from you

@Tigraine If you had to leave the 3p conversation aside, who else is your top pick for scum of any type? 

 

 

 

[Verbal32]

15 hours ago, Tigraine said:

 

Idk, hence why I said maybe.  Maybe it's because you're scum and knew he was town...I just don't know.  

 

 

It means you're problem solving enough to seem town.  But at the same time, I feel like you're seeing something I'm not and therefore, holding back.

 

 

 

So I'm maybe Cop, but maybe scum.  And I'm problem solving, but also not enough.  Gotcha.

 

And that last sentence makes no sense, heh.

[Verbal32]

55 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

Verb, ed & Key - or- ed, Key & Tig

 

Am I starting to listen to the player I've had as fake cop all game? Maybe.

 

@keyholder21 we need to hear from you

@Tigraine If you had to leave the 3p conversation aside, who else is your top pick for scum of any type? 

 

 

 

 

My God, do you think I could maintain this level of effort (whether scum hunting or town hunting) over the whole game with a solid activity level at the same time?  If you think I can do that as scum, I appreciate the compliment, heh.

 

But no, that was a version of me that wore a younger man's clothes....long ago.

[Verbal32]

Like, it sorta bothers me that you of all people in this game aren't seeing me as a super obvious townie at this point.

[Verbal32]

The other person I'd expect to see it is Nyn, and she does.  Maybe not to the extent that I'd hoped, but I'll take it.

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

My God, do you think I could maintain this level of effort (whether scum hunting or town hunting) over the whole game with a solid activity level at the same time?  If you think I can do that as scum, I appreciate the compliment, heh.

 

But no, that was a version of me that wore a younger man's clothes....long ago.

 

You've been non existent for a while now.  Did you want to add anything that's not  a defense of yourself? 

[DPR]

3 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

Like, it sorta bothers me that you of all people in this game aren't seeing me as a super obvious townie at this point.

 

You have Nyn as your tinfoil. I have you as mine. Bring something useful to the table and change my mind. 

[Nynaeve]

4 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

The other person I'd expect to see it is Nyn, and she does.  Maybe not to the extent that I'd hoped, but I'll take it.

I don't think you're scum.

[DPR]

Tigs and Key are in the spotlight now. I’m not gonna crusade for a Verb lynch, but I get the creeps. Maybe it’s just me. 
 

I do think it would be helpful if Verb added to the conversation tho

[Tigraine]

First let me say, this sucks on a mobile device.  

 

@Ithillian Turambar I went back and searched for every post you made that mentioned me.  (To get this to work for me properly, I had to click the desktop site things and that crap is really really small) anyway, I apologize.  I think it may have been key that often took used quotes of mine from others quoting it in their posts and her general consensus seemed to go with what their interpretation was. (If it wasn't Key then I'm hallucinating and need to see psychiatric attention far greater than I'm receiving atp.) 

 

But after reading through those posts, I found multiple things I wanted to bring up.  I quoted them but when I switched off the desktop settings, they poofed.  I will go quote them (whichever ones you need me to, I just really hope you don't lol)

 

First it was my fly by post that you found scummy.  Then when I went over what all I had down, your problem was that it was more of a summary rather than casting shade on anyone. (These are my take on what you said, again, I can reluctantly go find them should I need to). I explained (it was later on that I explained this and quite possibly in response to someone else but it was the same principle) that I didn't have much in the way of scum or town leans based on fluff and that when I did get a scum lean, i voted.  Iirc the first thing I actually found scummy was Rand at EoD.  Now even though he flipped town, and doc at that, I STILL think his behavior was scummy.  

 

 

You know, i started working on this post past night and intended to go through chronologically, all the things you found scummy about me. But it's kinda pointless because I've explained and explained again, everything that was actually true from everyone.  Yet somehow some of my questions never get answered. Like how anyone can say I agreed with everything DPR has said.  I also think it's an unfair assessment to say I've spent the whole game, sitting on the fence and refusing to pick a side.  When I've felt something was scummy, I went after that person hard, much to the detriment of everyone else and despite constantly being sussed for it.  

 

@DPR the thing is, I have moved past the Turin thing as far as trying to get you all to see that something isn't right about it. It keeps getting brought up because I have to repeatedly keep defending myself for it.

 

I have spent the game scum hunting, but just because I do it differently or you don't agree with my assessments, I must be scum.

 

So with all of that being said, I'm gonna go ahead and do my claim so you all have time to decide what you want to do about it.  I'm not Mafia.  I have no idea who is actually town and who isn't.....I'm the condemner.

 

Funny story, Darthe sent my PM with all of the pertinent information about my role.  Somehow, while reading it, I did not see the name of my target.   It wasn't until the rl day after I read Turins post that I even realized that I was in fact given the information of the character I was looking for.  So when I read Turin's post, I didn't know that so I knew I had caught him in a big lie because absolutely not, the condemner didn't know their target.  But obviously I couldn't say that.  After I realized that I did know who I was searching for, I still realized that it was NEVER confirmed for the group so I still think it's odd.  I've given the options as I see them in regards to the whole thing but no one wanted to even remotely get to the bottom of it.  So I let it go in game because it wasn't advancing the game.  I

 

My reads are just as blind as the rest of the town.   As I said, I hunt differently from you all so you assume I'm doing nothing. 

 

There ya go.  Do with it what you will.   I have a couple of Dr's appointments so I'll be Mia for a few hours.   Y'all have fun with that.

[Nynaeve]

Well... lol

[Nynaeve]

So you're the condemer 

 

Yet you spent an awful amout of time pushing Turin making a slip having info that the mom didn't provide the rest of us.

 

Can you explain how that adds up to your claim?

[Nynaeve]

Mom=Mod*

[Tigraine]

9 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

I still realized that it was NEVER confirmed for the group so I still think it's odd.

 

[Tigraine]

10 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

So when I read Turin's post, I didn't know that so I knew I had caught him in a big lie because absolutely not, the condemner didn't know their target.  But obviously I couldn't say that.