90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[dicetosser1]

Biggest things to me?

 

you haven’t been clear with what your saying. It feels like you say one thing now and then something else in five seconds time. For me part of that is literally not being able to understand your posts from one end to the other. And that’s a really big problem if I can’t read your posts because I’m a VERY good reader and yet I can’t understand what you write at times

 

this is probably THE most important thing a townie can do.

 

you emotional blow ups and “loss of win “ posts put me off from trying to really understand you.

 

and honestly it feels like your treading water, stuck on one person and occasionally taking a shot at someone but only when they’ve said something about you you don’t like

[dicetosser1]

@Ithillian Turambar oh go on! Making Zander cry is HUGELY entertaining…

 

🤣🤣

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Lol, I feel so hard done by. Pretty much no one has said anything that I like, so I don't see how you think that is the criteria for me sussing someone. 

 

I didn't say no one voted for me on D1, leastways that isn't what I meant, I meant you didn't vote me off. 

 

And I don't understand the accusation that I honestly gave my opinion about how Ithi acted at the EoD with Ed, and that is sus as I should have lied and said I found it sus because I sussed her for other things? Being honest regardless of my current read is seen as anti-town? But being deliberately obnoxious to other players is a clever pro-town move? My read was Ithi did nothing sus with Ed that I could see. I have major suspicions about other parts of her play. What is wolfy about that, or being honest about it so that maybe just maybe my thoughts will help someone else, one way or another? 

 

Top town reads I struggle a bit with. Nyn, as much as I don't want to commend snarky jokes as pro-town but she does not give off wolfy vibes. Verb though slanking recently has made sense in general and has not pinged me this game, but there is always the doubt that the slanking part has minimized the amount of interactions to suspect, especially later in the game as we have flips and a shrinking playerbase. 

 

Everyone else I have significant if not damning suspicions of. 

[DPR]

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade Ithi asked you for town picks you named Nyn and Verb.  
You then describe negative qualities for both of them:

 

Nyn makes snarky jokes and Verb is a slander. 
 

You don’t name anything positive about them - no reasons why you consider them town. 
 

The closest you get is Nyn “doesn’t give off a wolfy vibe” and Verb “makes sense in general” and doesn’t ping you. 

This is lazy play on your part. This looks like you tossed out two obvious names so you could say that you answered Ithi, but were much more worried about describing how the game is so unfair to you. 
 

We’ve all had a sleep and it’s Monday. Do you have any fresh reads or ideas? Will you post a list, even if it’s a quote of your last one, so that everyone has it handy. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

How is it lazy? I think their reasoning seems sound and it seems like they are trying to help town and haven't done things that make me strongly question them. I cannot give more reasoning cause I don't have more reasoning. Calling it lazy is well, lazy, lol, probably more just misrepping it into a "Heavy should be eliminated" soundbite. 

 

Like I've liked Key's play mostly but her in depth discussion of my read on you sketches me out so I cannot say she is a top town read. I seriously do not get the criticism. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

I'll look for my list in a bit, RL intervenes for now. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

An updated list (not that much changed for you skimmers, lol):

 

Tentative Town:

Nynaeve - seems to be making the most sense, when she can stop with the sarcky one liners. Don't feel a great urgency about solving or hunting, more observing, prodding and commenting. 

Verbal - Seems to be making sense, agree mostly with him about DPR, in his arguments with players like Turin he seems to be have at worst a reasonable position. Nothing has pinged me about his play. Not liking how he has slanked off as things are heating up.

 

Null:

Turin/Marsh - Did not like him buttering me up on D1, especially not then him using Verb not going after me as a reason to case Verb. But in general makes sense, though I don't like his lists, they sketch me out as if they are just accurate enough not to be suspicious, but wrong enough to through a spanner in the works, and everytime it seems either swinging to town or mafia for me he seems to walk back the arguments to leave himself more neutral. Almost feels like precision bombing - hitting very specific targets and then backing off. But even for me I recognise that is reaching a bit. Not convinced by the 3p argument, but it is something to keep in mind I suppose though not sure how that will help.

 

Would not go on a date with on a night with a full moon:

Key - started strong, but tailed off. Some of her reasoning has seemed a bit lame. Unfortunately RL seems to have swallowed her while most of the drama has been going on. Did not approve of her on Marsh's train. Really don't like how much of her limited time she devoted to my read of DPR - seems such a waste given the circumstances and I don't get what the point of it was.

Tigraine - Makes far too many pro-DPR arguments for my liking. Reasoning that a player saving the unCCd cop is scummy stands out in a way that I don't think can be washed away. But deliberate? Also did not like the DPR vote immediately after what felt like a change in DPR's tone. Tinfoil moment but felt like DPR had accepted his wolf equity was past the point of no return and therefore Tig jumped on the bus. Think I'm mixing metaphors there. Given the whole situation with DPR this makes me doubt my thoughts on Tigs. Not sure if her take on Rand is enough to have her high in my reads any more. 

 

Would shoot with silver bullets:

Ithi - Decided on a target in the opening exchanges of D1 and then pretty much ignored the rest of the day. Has backed DPR repeatedly. Has often shut down discussion by asserting she will play her own way as if that is not a nothing burger response to anything regarding content. Accused my post about nothing of being a carefully crafted post about nothing so therefore AI. My flabber is still gasted. And still is.

Dice - Feels like Town. Sounds like Town. But... immediately accuses players of saving him of being wolves. Claims with only 2 minutes to go. Thinks saying in the last hour "you should not be voting for me" should have been significant rather than laughed at. Massively downplays the advantages to the wolves to false claim, which as far as I can see far outweigh the benefits to the real cop on D1 claiming. That could be my inexperience, but "only buys me a day or so" seems such an understatement to be an outright lie. Seemed to work with DPR at EoD and Night, but then was distanced by DPR with his Dice is definitely scum (though actually it was Rand and Heavy that said that, not the innocent pirate). Totally sketched out by this slot. No idea really. I guess at least I don't need to make a decision until more flips happen, thank the Light.

Zandlo - Lenlo went for low hanging fruit and not much else qualify if for poor reasons or town reasons. Zander has been pretty null, but enough of his comments have rubbed me the wrong way - like he is deliberately misunderstanding or oversimplifying to state wolf-friendly propaganda. Not active enough to have a real read, though I did not like that Lenlo's vote on me could have been an opening for a train on someone with wolf equity at DL if everything went wrong for our furry friends. Not appreciated his attacks on me since I wrote the list. Don't seem to have much substance, very eager to get a vote on as soon as possible. Very wolfy vibes.

 

As above but repeatedly. Reload and shoot again. Use a wooden stake and bedeck in garlic.

DPR - Anti-town, deflections, lies, kill it, kill it with fire. Have gone in depth about my suspicions elsewhere. If I'm wrong, I dunno, this presumably is not a game I'm any good at then.

[Zander?]

9 hours ago, Tigraine said:

Broke my foot whilst trying to DM and walk...dont recommend it. So NOW, I'm going to get back to my mission...slightly loopy on pain meds but it should still make sense 🤣

 

Oh crap ...sorry to hear that hoping you feel up soon... may still hang you by your throat tho ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ 

 

Lololololol 

[Zander?]

4 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So anyone else going to case me and prove I haven't done a single thing against the interests of Town? 

 

I was just as much of a lunatic in the past games and will be as much in any future games and no one has explained how that is meant to be AI. 

 

2 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

You haven’t done a single thing against town you say? 
 

well then tell me what you have done FOR town

 

Dicey lololololol 

[Zander?]

1 hour ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I've posted up reads and let people know what is going on in my head. I argued against eliminating Marsh even though he was voting for me. I've tried to solve. I've pointed out when people said things that did not make sense or were factually incorrect. I haven't manufactured drama for wolves to hide in. I've tried to give my opinion honestly without thought as to how it would effect my survival. 

 

But I ask again, what have I done that was not in Town's interest? 

 

Played to have much more of BOTH Wolf and 3rd Party equity IMHO lol

[Zander?]

1 hour ago, dicetosser1 said:

Biggest things to me?

 

you haven’t been clear with what your saying. It feels like you say one thing now and then something else in five seconds time. For me part of that is literally not being able to understand your posts from one end to the other. And that’s a really big problem if I can’t read your posts because I’m a VERY good reader and yet I can’t understand what you write at times

 

this is probably THE most important thing a townie can do.

 

you emotional blow ups and “loss of win “ posts put me off from trying to really understand you.

 

and honestly it feels like your treading water, stuck on one person and occasionally taking a shot at someone but only when they’ve said something about you you don’t like

 

I really really hate agreeing with Dice but....yuck now I feel dirty and smell like horse..... LOLOLOLOLOL 

[Zander?]

1 hour ago, dicetosser1 said:

@Ithillian Turambar oh go on! Making Zander cry is HUGELY entertaining…

 

🤣🤣

 

WOLFY AF Dice outted myself ITT lololololol 

[Zander?]

13 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

An updated list (not that much changed for you skimmers, lol):

 

Tentative Town:

Nynaeve - seems to be making the most sense, when she can stop with the sarcky one liners. Don't feel a great urgency about solving or hunting, more observing, prodding and commenting. 

Verbal - Seems to be making sense, agree mostly with him about DPR, in his arguments with players like Turin he seems to be have at worst a reasonable position. Nothing has pinged me about his play. Not liking how he has slanked off as things are heating up.

 

Null:

Turin/Marsh - Did not like him buttering me up on D1, especially not then him using Verb not going after me as a reason to case Verb. But in general makes sense, though I don't like his lists, they sketch me out as if they are just accurate enough not to be suspicious, but wrong enough to through a spanner in the works, and everytime it seems either swinging to town or mafia for me he seems to walk back the arguments to leave himself more neutral. Almost feels like precision bombing - hitting very specific targets and then backing off. But even for me I recognise that is reaching a bit. Not convinced by the 3p argument, but it is something to keep in mind I suppose though not sure how that will help.

 

Would not go on a date with on a night with a full moon:

Key - started strong, but tailed off. Some of her reasoning has seemed a bit lame. Unfortunately RL seems to have swallowed her while most of the drama has been going on. Did not approve of her on Marsh's train. Really don't like how much of her limited time she devoted to my read of DPR - seems such a waste given the circumstances and I don't get what the point of it was.

Tigraine - Makes far too many pro-DPR arguments for my liking. Reasoning that a player saving the unCCd cop is scummy stands out in a way that I don't think can be washed away. But deliberate? Also did not like the DPR vote immediately after what felt like a change in DPR's tone. Tinfoil moment but felt like DPR had accepted his wolf equity was past the point of no return and therefore Tig jumped on the bus. Think I'm mixing metaphors there. Given the whole situation with DPR this makes me doubt my thoughts on Tigs. Not sure if her take on Rand is enough to have her high in my reads any more. 

 

Would shoot with silver bullets:

Ithi - Decided on a target in the opening exchanges of D1 and then pretty much ignored the rest of the day. Has backed DPR repeatedly. Has often shut down discussion by asserting she will play her own way as if that is not a nothing burger response to anything regarding content. Accused my post about nothing of being a carefully crafted post about nothing so therefore AI. My flabber is still gasted. And still is.

Dice - Feels like Town. Sounds like Town. But... immediately accuses players of saving him of being wolves. Claims with only 2 minutes to go. Thinks saying in the last hour "you should not be voting for me" should have been significant rather than laughed at. Massively downplays the advantages to the wolves to false claim, which as far as I can see far outweigh the benefits to the real cop on D1 claiming. That could be my inexperience, but "only buys me a day or so" seems such an understatement to be an outright lie. Seemed to work with DPR at EoD and Night, but then was distanced by DPR with his Dice is definitely scum (though actually it was Rand and Heavy that said that, not the innocent pirate). Totally sketched out by this slot. No idea really. I guess at least I don't need to make a decision until more flips happen, thank the Light.

Zandlo - Lenlo went for low hanging fruit and not much else qualify if for poor reasons or town reasons. Zander has been pretty null, but enough of his comments have rubbed me the wrong way - like he is deliberately misunderstanding or oversimplifying to state wolf-friendly propaganda. Not active enough to have a real read, though I did not like that Lenlo's vote on me could have been an opening for a train on someone with wolf equity at DL if everything went wrong for our furry friends. Not appreciated his attacks on me since I wrote the list. Don't seem to have much substance, very eager to get a vote on as soon as possible. Very wolfy vibes.

 

As above but repeatedly. Reload and shoot again. Use a wooden stake and bedeck in garlic.

DPR - Anti-town, deflections, lies, kill it, kill it with fire. Have gone in depth about my suspicions elsewhere. If I'm wrong, I dunno, this presumably is not a game I'm any good at then.

 

Lol full spew attempt mode IMHO 

[Ithillian Turambar]

13 hours ago, Tigraine said:

On 4/22/2025 at 3:02 AM, Verbal32 said:

Marsh (4/7): Ithi, Wes, Key, Dice

 

If Marsh flips town, I want this entire train dead.  Key last, because she's the best town read out of them.

 

If he flips scum, well.......lolverbal strikes again.

 

While looking for the stuff I am trying to find, I found this.  Was just wondering where Verbal stands in this now...??

 

On 4/22/2025 at 3:05 AM, Ironeyes said:

With Dice

When I'm gone, lynch everyone who voted me 

 

Obviously you're back with a different role but any thoughts on how you felt at the time? @dicetosser1 weren't you confident as well about needing to check these folks?

 

Of the 5 votes Marsh had, Rand is the only one now dead and he flipped Doc.  So how are we not at all considering the likelihood of scum being at least 1 of these 4?

 

Anyway, back to my hunting.  Just thought I'd throw that out there. 

 

Here Tigs is using other people's thoughts. She even asks Marsh to go back to his previous life lol.

 

13 hours ago, Tigraine said:

 

Did we ever see a point where Turin backed off this. I'm on page 31 and he has post after post quoting Verb and Heavy and discussing how they're sounding like teammates.

 

Again, not what I'm looking for but wanted to follow up on it cause Turin makes some good points.

 

 

 

still going on about the Does Turin love mechanics thing. But also posting about who Turin suspected at the time. Cos Turin makes good points... but Turin is now Marsh and she voted for Marsh.

 

Now go back in time a bit.

 

On 4/26/2025 at 7:57 PM, Tigraine said:

This is what ended up on the OP eventually concerning the role.

 

 

 

 

This was included in Turin's explanation he supposedly received from Darthe.

 

It doesn't appear in what Darthe explained about the role.  Seems like someone really did know more about the role than everyone else.  So did Darthe accidentally slip info to a player via PM about a role that wasn't theirs or did the condemner actually out themselves.

 

Unless I missed it, Darthe didn't confirm that he sent a separate PM to Turin, he just clarified the role. Was it Ironeyes that replaced Turin?

 

vote ironeyes 

 

The person you replaced slipped up.  🤷‍♀️

 

On 4/26/2025 at 9:48 PM, Tigraine said:

I was investigating DPR claiming Heavy slipped.  I noticed that Turin said something about his response from Darthe that isn't in Darthe's clarification.  Darthe says the condemner is after a character but did not state one way or another on whether the condemner would know which character.

 

 

Idk...maybe the condemner doesn't know who they're after.  Maybe he had other reasons to not want character names out.  But it's still weird to me that he claimed to know something that the mod chose not to share with the class.  

 

There has to be a reason.  Maybe it's a town reason, idk, I'll unvote because of that possibility but I'd like to somehow get clarification.

 

@Darthe does the condemner know which character they're looking for?

 

On 4/27/2025 at 12:08 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

 

@Tigraine you had Heavy at the top of your suss list yesterday 

 

And yet today you voted Marsh.

 

 

 

But at the time you did this, I had only quoted Turin's expo post and the consensus was that Turin giving us this information was a pretty Town thing to do.

 

There's no mention of his earlier posts so at this point I don't think you have found any slip, cos you were just going off my quoted posts. 

 

Is Heavy still your top suspect or is that now Marsh. I can see you've unvoted again since.

 

What made you go for Marsh today.

 

and today she has Heavy back at the top of her suss list and is even saying that the Turin/marsh spot had good reads.

 

When i was reading through all that i saw that Nyn had already asked her who she thought was town, so im glad that was a good question to ask Heavy too.

 

She says she won't vote Dice, because of his claim. She thinks maybe I am Town. Key she doesn't know about. She forgot all about Verbal lmao... 

 

I'd like to point out that her reason for unvoting Eddie was that, he's going to die anyways...

 

I can go check that in a bit, but I'm afraid I will lose all that I have done so far.

 

So initially super neutral. Making statements about what is happening rather than giving opinions. Seeming to follow along with other people's opinions rather than giving their own. Voting for someone and then saying the person she voted for had good suspects/reasons.

 

Saying her biggest suspect was Heavy. Voted for Marsh when he possibly was gonna catch some heat and then unvoted when that was a non starter. 

 

It's just a big long list of not wanting to be coming down firmly one way or the other.

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

And here is what happened at the end of day 2

 

On 4/25/2025 at 12:46 AM, Tigraine said:

UNVOTE

 

well hell.  We need to figure out where to go next and get the votes.   if we can't get more than for Ed he'll get lynched anyway 

 

On 4/25/2025 at 1:29 AM, Tigraine said:

vote ed

 

On 4/25/2025 at 1:31 AM, Tigraine said:

That was a good catch

 

On 4/25/2025 at 1:33 AM, Tigraine said:

Check the times...me and verb voted at the same time.  Or at least when I posted it said just now and that his was just now.

 

 

 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

@Tigraine I'm sorry you broke your foot because of DM. How the heck does that happen? You should never walk and text. I hope its not too uncomfortable 💙

[Zander?]

SO MANY WORD!!!!!!!!!!

 

*Brain Explodes*

[Ithillian Turambar]

31 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

not a nothing burger response to anything regarding content.

You said this last time and I wasn't sure if there was a spelling error/auto correct thing going on.

 

I figured you were just lashing out at me.

 

But just in case, what is a burger response?

[Zander?]

5 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

You said this last time and I wasn't sure if there was a spelling error/auto correct thing going on.

 

I figured you were just lashing out at me.

 

But just in case, what is a burger response?

 

There a term that's known as a Nothing Burger which means says nothing, did nothing, is nothing etc.  that's my guess anyways.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Here's the last list 

 

On 4/24/2025 at 9:19 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Well I said I would do a list but I have been at work and other things like that that are completely out of character for me. Cracked open a beer so I'll probably sign off after so I don't inflict a drunk hairy Scotsman on you, DL is too late for me anyway, and I don't think anything will happen to convince me to change my vote.

 

One incredibly depressing point is that should I be wrong on DPR I may as well throw the rest of the list in the bin as I'm so convinced on his alignment every other player has been judged on how they interact with him or seem to collude in achieving goals or have weird possible distancing exchanges. 

 

Tentative Town:

Nynaeve - seems to be making the most sense, when she can stop with the sarcky one liners. Don't feel a great urgency about solving or hunting, more observing, prodding and commenting. 

Key - started strong, but tailed off. Some of her reasoning has seemed a bit lame. Unfortunately RL seems to have swallowed her while most of the drama has been going on. Did not approve of her on Marsh's train.

Verbal - Seems to be making sense, agree mostly with him about DPR, in his arguments with players like Turin he seems to be have at worst a reasonable position. Nothing has pinged me about his play. 

 

Null:

Ed - Flashes of insight, seems to make sense when posting. Humourous, confrontational style seems slightly counter productive given apparently RL-enforced low activity. Missing voting completely is never a good look regardless of your ability to be online at DL.

Turin - Did not like him buttering me up on D1, especially not then him using Verb not going after me as a reason to case Verb. But in general makes sense, though I don't like his lists, they sketch me out as if they are just accurate enough not to be suspicious, but wrong enough to through a spanner in the works, and everytime it seems either swinging to town or mafia for me he seems to walk back the arguments to leave himself more neutral. Almost feels like precision bombing - hitting very specific targets and then backing off. But even for me I recognise that is reaching a bit. 

 

Would not go on a date with on a night with a full moon:

Rand - WIM. But seems like too much going on about the same WIFOM. Perhaps just cannot stop responding - can relate. But feels frantic, distractionary (that is tots a word) and while I have a hard time thinking he is working with DPR I cannot avoid the violence even if it is coming from a Town pov. 

Zandlo - Lenlo went for low hanging fruit and not much else qualify if for poor reasons or town reasons. Zander has been pretty null, but enough of his comments have rubbed me the wrong way - like he is deliberately misunderstanding or oversimplifying to state wolf-friendly propaganda. Not active enough to have a real read, though I did not like that Lenlo's vote on me could have been an opening for a train on someone with wolf equity at DL if everything went wrong for our furry friends. 

 

Would shoot with silver bullets:

Ithi - Decided on a target in the opening exchanges of D1 and then pretty much ignored the rest of the day. Has backed DPR repeatedly. Has often shut down discussion by asserting she will play her own way as if that is not a nothing burger response to anything regarding content. Accused my post about nothing of being a carefully crafted post about nothing so therefore AI. My flabber is still gasted.

Tigraine - Makes far too many pro-DPR arguments for my liking. Reasoning that a player saving the unCCd cop is scummy stands out in a way that I don't think can be washed away. But deliberate? Also did not like the DPR vote immediately after what felt like a change in DPR's tone. Tinfoil moment but felt like DPR had accepted his wolf equity was past the point of no return and therefore Tig jumped on the bus. Think I'm mixing metaphors there.

Dice - Feels like Town. Sounds like Town. But... immediately accuses players of saving him of being wolves. Claims with only 2 minutes to go. Thinks saying in the last hour "you should not be voting for me" should have been significant rather than laughed at. Massively downplays the advantages to the wolves to false claim, which as far as I can see far outweigh the benefits to the real cop on D1 claiming. That could be my inexperience, but "only buys me a day or so" seems such an understatement to be an outright lie. Seemed to work with DPR at EoD and Night, but then was distanced by DPR with his Dice is definitely scum (though actually it was Rand and Heavy that said that, not the innocent pirate). Totally sketched out by this slot. No idea really. I guess at least I don't need to make a decision until more flips happen, thank the Light.

 

As above but repeatedly. Reload and shoot again. Use a wooden stake and bedeck in garlic.

DPR - Anti-town, deflections, lies, kill it, kill it with fire. Have gone in depth about my suspicions elsewhere. If I'm wrong, I dunno, this presumably is not a game I'm any good at then.

 

I'd apologise for the WoT but then I would lying. Suck it up peeps.

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

 

Key goes from tentative Town to would not go on a date with. Heavy has people more wolfy than Key on his new list, but is not voting them. He is voting Key

 

I think maybe he saw some deep wolf comments and thought he'd get the most traction on Key?

[Zander?]

How long till DL I got some stuff to later this afternoon.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I already used up my lunch break but let me see

[Ithillian Turambar]

Un Official Vote Count by Ithi

Heavy - (3/6) Dice, Nyn, Zander

Tig (2/6): Ithi, DPR

Key - (1/6) Heavy

Not Voting
Marsh2, Verb, Key, Tig

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Countdown to EOD

[Ithillian Turambar]

12 hours till end of Day 3

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

9 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Here's the last list 

 

 

Key goes from tentative Town to would not go on a date with. Heavy has people more wolfy than Key on his new list, but is not voting them. He is voting Key

 

I think maybe he saw some deep wolf comments and thought he'd get the most traction on Key?

No I'm voting Key because of my remarkable-under-the-shower moment where I solved the game. You can thank me later. And yes, I'm voting her instead of you as I felt she had more equity, not because she was more wolfy to me. Ithi and Key, up a tree, W O L F I N G... something like that anyway. No one seems to agree with though which is a minor problem in getting you two eliminated.