90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count

 

Heavy - (3/6) Dice, Nyn, Zander

DPR - (1/6) Heavy

Tig (1/6): Ithi

Not Voting
Marsh2, DPR, Verb, Key, Tig

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Countdown to EOD

Edited April 27 by Darthe

[DPR]

Didn’t @Ithillian Turambar vot for Tig to start a counter train? 

[DPR]

Vote: Tig 

 

Need to get the discussion going

[Tigraine]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

Vote: Tig 

 

Need to get the discussion going

 

I responded to her last post.  Not sure how much more I can do to get the discussion going.  

 

I find it hard to believe that you aren't more interested in this Turin thing.  You're the one that was hot on the trail of Heavy for using the word random even though it wasn't in the same context used by darthe in his clarification.   This is about someone providing information NOT provided by the mod.  

[DPR]

1 hour ago, Tigraine said:

 

My targeting of Turin/Marsh has zero to do with the use of "random." It has to do with the fact that Turin told us that the condemner knows who they are looking for so we shouldn't reveal names.  To this very moment, it has not been confirmed nor denied by Darthe.  

 

If Darthe told Turin (let's assume he's not the condemner) something about a role that isn't his and that no one else knows...why wouldn't he tell the rest of us?  Turin is focused on game mechanics you all say, how did he feel about being in a game where mod gives a player the upper hand?  Personally, I don't think Darthe done that.  The fact that he hasn't confirmed it for the rest of us says it places it in one of the scenarios i already listed.

 

1) Turin misunderstood and therefore misrepresented what he was told.

 

2) He is the condemner (I'm less sure of this one though IF the condemner does know their target because he warned against character revealing)

 

3) He's scum and has some other reason for not wanting character names revealed so he used a misunderstood role as his chance to drop that out there while looking town.

 

No, I have not forgotten that I am sus on Heavy.  Still am.  But I felt this was a slip of some form or fashion and we have more than one mafia left. Atp I feel no choice but to be suspicious of Turin/Marsh because there's no way to clear this up without Turin answering whether he misunderstood or us seeing the part of the PM which describes a role in more detail to one player than the rest of us were made aware of. Give me plausible reasons that a mod would do that?  If you don't believe he did, give me plausible reasons Turin would say he did?

 

1 hour ago, Tigraine said:

Fwiw, if the condemner does in fact know the characters name then no, i don't believe Turin/Marsh is the condemner. But we don't know that the condemner does nor do we know if any other role has a use for character names.  

 

 

This all seems like a rehash of yesterday with no real intent behind it? By now I feel like we’re just talking about questions we’re not going to get answers to until people flip. 
 

@Tigraine did you comment today (d3) on whether or not you believe dice? Sorry in advance if I missed it - it’s a busy weekend for me. 

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Tigraine said:

 

I responded to her last post.  Not sure how much more I can do to get the discussion going.  

 

I find it hard to believe that you aren't more interested in this Turin thing.  You're the one that was hot on the trail of Heavy for using the word random even though it wasn't in the same context used by darthe in his clarification.   This is about someone providing information NOT provided by the mod.  

I’m mostly curious about other people discussing it. 
 

And I am interested in the Turin thing, but after all the discussion yesterday, even I can admit to the overall confusion caused by Darthe and it’s all turned into a giant rabbit hole. 

I’ve said what I’ve said and I still think Heavy has significant 3p equity. It’s harder for me to see that in Turin because he’s famous for talking setups and mechanics, which makes it a null tell for me. He’d do it either way… 

[Nynaeve]

24 minutes ago, DPR said:

Vote: Tig 

 

Need to get the discussion going

 

Good

I was thinking we need a competing train

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well I thought you'd tagged me because you'd voted and were too lazy to do a VC yourself. And I'm like, yeah I know it's only Crystal Skull but still.

 

But I see now

 

Yeah I did vote Tigs earlier, so people wouldn't be able to just slank onto Heavy and they would have to give reasons.

 

But it was in the middle of a post and I know they are harder to spot. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

UN Official Vote Count By Ithi - cos the previous one missed my vote

 

Heavy - (3/6) Dice, Nyn, Zander

DPR - (1/6) Heavy
TIG - (2/6) Ithi, DPR
Not Voting
Marsh2, Verb, Key, Tig

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Countdown to EOD

[Tigraine]

19 minutes ago, DPR said:

This all seems like a rehash of yesterday with no real intent behind it?

 

Because no one has given a plausible reason for this.

 

As for Dice, I know he hasn't been able to provide information to prove his claim because if he is the cop, he's being roleblocked.  Atp,  without a counterclaim (i don't suggest a counterclaim because of the mafia roleblocker), I don't see how we can afford to lynch him.

 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

30 hours and 7 minutes till end of Day 3

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

As we seem to be gearing up to show time for D3, is there anything I can do to save my shapely Townie rear end? I have to admit I kind of doubt it. But I'm all ears to any suggestions. 

 

Still kind of sketched out by Key. Why did she go through my reasons for sussing DPR? I only posted them as Ithi asked - I was hardly pushing a case as no one is going to vote for a unCC'd role, which seems to be the general consensus at least. And I'm totally discredited as someone to trust, so why did she spend so much effort on going over it? DPR will be CCd or revealed or he won't be. Why further make me look bad? I guess it could be because she thinks I'm mafia, but it rubs me the wrong way because I'm not mafia and there are two people out there that know this. And also it wasn't a case against me, it was discrediting my reads which are not relevant at all and neither are bad reads (if they are) exactly AI. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Regards Marsh/Turin - it hardly seems a huge leap of imagination that if the Condemner is looking for a secret target that within the set-up that target would have a name. It doesn't seem like something that carries much weight. 

 

Even if the Condemner only has the callsign the characters use in the story, it still seems sensible to assume there is a good chance that the Condemner is looking for a character name. Even if it was unnecessary, it still was good advice. 

 

So I cannot see it as a smoking gun but just a possibility. Might be, might not be. I suppose if you had nothing else to go on it could be worth a try, but people seem to already have suspicions enough of other people. And that is coming from someone in the firing line, so make of that what you will. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Also adding as Ed was the freaking Terminator, freely sharing your names seems not a great idea (though I guess mafia could have also been given cover names like Ithi did for her Hamilton game).

[Tigraine]

@Ithillian Turambar @DPR 

 

What exactly is the reason you feel I'm sus?  And please, for my own sanity, use things I've actually said or done.  Not what others have implied I've done. 

[Tigraine]

19 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

And that is coming from someone in the firing line, so make of that what you will. 

 

Lmao by all means, point out the very townie thing you done. 🤣 

 

 

[Darthe]

Ty for correcting, I missed that one.

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count

 

Heavy - (3/6) Dice, Nyn, Zander

DPR - (1/6) Heavy

Tig (2/6): Ithi, DPR

Not Voting
Marsh2, Verb, Key, Tig

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Countdown to EOD

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

23 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

 

Lmao by all means, point out the very townie thing you done. 🤣 

 

 

So glad you noticed. All in a day's work, lol. 

 

Spoiler

Changed my mind and now this fluffing thing won't go away and cannot think of anything funny to put here... Oh, well. 

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Actually I'd like to copy Tig's request. If I'm being run up I think everyone should need to be explicit in their case on me. Letting wolves slank away with "he's always been high on my list" I don't think I'd good enough. 

 

Particularly I think anyone calling my behaviour (that I still am outraged is considered AI, but it is what it is) on D1 being a reason to vote now when it wasn't on D1 or D2. That, as I called at the time (and DPR gave me an Oscar for, so obviously he agrees), seems incredibly wolfy behaviour. 

[Tigraine]

I'm not going to sit back and allow myself to get lynched for the sake of conversation.

 

When DPR and Ithi roll back in, I'd like to see if that's their main goal (to start conversation) or if they have reasons for wanting to vote me.

 

Also, ftr, our mod has posted more than once since I tagged him and asked him if the condemner knows their targets name and he hasn't said anything.  There is more to this than you all are willing to admit.  Because there is a reason Turin had more information than we were given (or lied about the information). And we do still have 2 mafia left.

 

As for Heavy, I'm not going to lie, his putting sus on me for the EoD interaction between me and Rand makes me feel more strongly that he's one of the two remaining.  Rand and I hashed that out afterwards so why is he bringing it up now? It has to be because he knows my heads on the chopping block beside of him.

 

I cannot help it, the whole pointing out townie things he has done or constantly throwing it in by "my townie arse" and stuff to that end only confirms that I was right to sus him. 

 

We still have time to hash this out and discuss things so I'm not putting the 4th vote on his train just yet.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Well, I mean really. I don't see why my toned buttocks have to be an issue here at all, lol. 

 

I feel it is a bit unfair that you are criticising the timing of me answering you. You reacted strongly to my reads list, and claimed that I had not even read your posts. There was a lot of other things going on so I could not answer that straight away. 

 

But it hardly seemed fair to allow you to attack me like that, or indeed to leave an inaccurate read up if I was misremembering what you said. 

 

So I did go back and I didn't misrememer it. You attacked the town doctor for how he saved the cop claimee. I know you say you were attacking him flooding the thread, and not believing Dice and his denial and Dice's hard claim passing in the post as it were. But so what? These are details. 

 

We know now that your read was wrong, so attacking me for pointing out I thought it was wrong feels wrong. Remember you were catching up and made a post in the middle of that to tell us all that Rand was almost certainly scum. I disagreed strongly with your conclusion and I found it sus. I found the way you burst out with that sus, I found your reasoning sus. 

 

Now that we know I was right and your read was wrong, how does that make it any less sus? Sure you could have just been mistaken, but it leapt out of the thread as a strange take and time has shown at the very least it wasn't correct. But anyway, everyone can see what happened in detail and can make up their own minds, they hardly need to rely on my reads for this. 

 

And sussing me for pointing out a read of yours that was wrong, was wrong, seems a bit of stretch. 

 

 

[DPR]

@Tigraine I only have a sec, but in general terms:

 

1. I’ve called out two times you’ve posted as fly-by’s

2. I thought it was way wolfy that you lost the post where you cased me and then never posted a summary of reasons. We’ve all had trouble with posts - I get that. But you can’t expect the game to believe you put together an epic case but then didn’t want to bullet list a short version

3. There have been multiple times I’be read your posts and asked myself “why is she writing this?” Especially the longer posts that look like effort but don’t really go anywhere. 

[Tigraine]

16 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Well, I mean really. I don't see why my toned buttocks have to be an issue here at all, lol. 

 

I feel it is a bit unfair that you are criticising the timing of me answering you. You reacted strongly to my reads list, and claimed that I had not even read your posts. There was a lot of other things going on so I could not answer that straight away. 

 

But it hardly seemed fair to allow you to attack me like that, or indeed to leave an inaccurate read up if I was misremembering what you said. 

 

So I did go back and I didn't misrememer it. You attacked the town doctor for how he saved the cop claimee. I know you say you were attacking him flooding the thread, and not believing Dice and his denial and Dice's hard claim passing in the post as it were. But so what? These are details. 

 

We know now that your read was wrong, so attacking me for pointing out I thought it was wrong feels wrong. Remember you were catching up and made a post in the middle of that to tell us all that Rand was almost certainly scum. I disagreed strongly with your conclusion and I found it sus. I found the way you burst out with that sus, I found your reasoning sus. 

 

Now that we know I was right and your read was wrong, how does that make it any less sus? Sure you could have just been mistaken, but it leapt out of the thread as a strange take and time has shown at the very least it wasn't correct. But anyway, everyone can see what happened in detail and can make up their own minds, they hardly need to rely on my reads for this. 

 

And sussing me for pointing out a read of yours that was wrong, was wrong, seems a bit of stretch. 

 

 

You're forgetting that I'm not the only one that found Rand’s EoD behavior sus. 

 

And "details" are what build a case.  

 

It sucks that I went hard core after the doc for something.  But I still feel like it could've been behavior used to hide scum in.  Just because this time it didn't turn out to be true doesn't mean that it changes how the behavior seemed at the time.  

[Zander?]

Is it just me or does Tig v Heavy feel like distancing lolololololol