90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[ed2funy]

11 minutes ago, RandA lThor said:

Thoughts on my suggestion above?

Idk I think mafia have to rb cop and then shoot in the dark. RBing cop means they can set up a counter. 
you’re probably safest town imo cause you’re the easy kill and likely to be protected. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

4 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

Also can't wait to hear how Ithi explains how she was not willing to entertain being wrong while being wrong.....or just being right and scum.

Morning. I absolutely did say I would change my view if I saw evidence on the thread that he might be Town. Maybe you didn't read that or chose to ignore it.

 

As it stands, I thought he was mafia and so I voted for him. That is how I cope with this game.

 

Sorry I was wrong Marsh. I hope you stay and play other games with us. It's been lovely having you back 💙

[Ithillian Turambar]

11 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

I mean I will change my vote if something happens to change my mind, but I'm not gonna change my mind just cos someone asks me to.

 

See.

 

In other news, it was actually really nice to not have to be there at end of Day. I could just vote who I thought was mafia and go to bed. Much less stressy

[RandA lThor]

2 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

See.

 

In other news, it was actually really nice to not have to be there at end of Day. I could just vote who I thought was mafia and go to bed. Much less stressy

Tell me about it 

[Ithillian Turambar]

You're def gonna have to wait till after 4pm my time for a new list though.

 

I'm on incoming all day. No calls yet, cos I only deal with people on our old system, but I'm not gonna be able to focus here while a call could pop up any moment.

[Ithillian Turambar]

4 hours ago, Lenlo said:

If it's a lie, then the moment the real cop reveals/flips we have one wolf caught 100%, ez clap

Well that's not true. Dice could be claiming Cop to stay alive and draw the mafia attention. Don't forget the mafia have a 1x Strongman kill that will go straight through the doc. Better to have a Vanilla be dead than the actual Cop.

 

We probably should all just claim Cop.

[Ithillian Turambar]

4 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

I know Turin has plenty of content, but he spent too much time D1 defending everything said to Ithi that it muddies the read a bit. 

Pretty this was the other way round lol

[RandA lThor]

2 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Well that's not true. Dice could be claiming Cop to stay alive and draw the mafia attention. Don't forget the mafia have a 1x Strongman kill that will go straight through the doc. Better to have a Vanilla be dead than the actual Cop.

 

We probably should all just claim Cop.

Did not think it was possible for town to false claim cop, but I guess with the strongman and role blocker magnet it's possible.

[Ithillian Turambar]

*pretty sure

 

Should I do FTFM's 

 

Or is Verbal just pretty?

[Ithillian Turambar]

1 minute ago, RandA lThor said:

Did not think it was possible for town to false claim cop, but I guess with the strongman and role blocker magnet it's possible.

Town can and should do whatever is necessary to stay alive and win.

[RandA lThor]

4 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Town can and should do whatever is necessary to stay alive and win.

But in a normal game with no strongman/role blocker, that would just out the real cop, when they were not at risk before, and potentially get both towns killed, or even if the first guy retracted their claim, they probably wouldn't be trusted, killed anyways, and now the cop is out?

[Ithillian Turambar]

Only if the real Cop is a dumb who instantly goes oi! No I'm the Cop.

 

It's a much better look to fight and stay alive than all this blah blah blah kill me anyways I'm just a Vanilla woe is me stuff.

 

And I think a Mafia would be all omg I'm so worried. I can't possibly false claim the cop. So Dice is good with me now, Cop or no Cop.

[Turin Turambar]

9 hours ago, Darthe said:

Official Vote Count

 

Marsh (3/7): Ithi, Wes, Key

Dice (2/7): Nyn, Turin

Heavy (2/7): Lenlo, Marsh

Tig (1/7): Ed

Rand (1/7): Dice

Wes (1/7): Heavy

 

Not Voting: Verb, Rand, Tig

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

count down to hammer time

 

Deadline is in just over 2 hours.  Night will be shortened a couple of hours to adjust future days to end at 8PM EST.

Quoting VC with about 2hrs to DL...

 

My take on EoD focusing on VOTING.

Spoiler

Verb quotes Ithi re his not voting and then immediately VOTES DICE and bounces to return with about 15 minutesto DL. 

Spoiler

He later gives his reasons:

1.feels.like.Dice when they were.mafia together last game.

2. Notes where he asked Key if she needed anything, (his process was this is his "1 thing" scumtell. Ironically, he used this philosophy last game when he was mafia. 

Ed UNVOTES, says he's catching up and never returns. 

Dice VOTES IRONEYES basically  for self preservation imo

Rand talks with Dice where Dice soft claims something and eventually  Rand VOTES DICE making the VC 4-4 between  IRONEYES  and Dice.

Dice claims cop with about 2 minutes left to DL, (why wait so late?).

Rand VOTES DPR

Verb UNVOTES

Rand VOTES IRONEYES 

 

 

I think Verb and to a lesser extent Ed look bad from this, provided Dice is actually the cop.

Ed because imo he never made a real vote ( I saw his Tigraine vote as a joke), and left never to return with tied trains on  confirmed townie (Ironeyes) and the un cc'd cop claim (Dice). 

Verb looks much worse to me. He voted Dice to even the trains with imo bad reasoning.  He could have voted Heavy and still tied the trains. I think that would have made more sense. His town read (IRONEYES) was advocating for a Heavy  lynch. It would have been more likely to result in Ironeyes not being lynched. Additionally,  he popped in immediately when Dice asked about him. To me it looked like he was watching, content to have townies in a tie.

I will have to look at where Verb has Heavy and his progression during the day.

[Turin Turambar]

I'm waiting to hear from Darthe about some setup questions but I think town needs to be active on this night and provide a much cover as possible for our power roles.

Also, everyone should try to make there own read lists with reasoning so we get as much info as possible  from a night where up to 3 townies could die.

 

Like, if I'm the cop... etc

There are 4 roles that can help us tonight.  We need to do what we can to let them work.

Yes Turin talking setup and mechanics,  blah blah blah. I don't care. I'm pretty  sure Darthe said it was okay.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

15 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

I'm waiting to hear from Darthe about some setup questions but I think town needs to be active on this night and provide a much cover as possible for our power roles.

Also, everyone should try to make there own read lists with reasoning so we get as much info as possible  from a night where up to 3 townies could die.

 

Like, if I'm the cop... etc

There are 4 roles that can help us tonight.  We need to do what we can to let them work.

Yes Turin talking setup and mechanics,  blah blah blah. I don't care. I'm pretty  sure Darthe said it was okay.

I'm afraid I don't really follow what you mean. The three townies you mean if the 3p target was Marsh so we have an SK now? 

 

How can we help them and not also give more info to the mafia as to who is who? 

[dicetosser1]

3 hours ago, RandA lThor said:

Idk how nuts this is theory-wise, and maybe this is bad for me to suggest, but would it make sense for the doc to protect Verbal or myself as Im assuming mafia will want to kill one of us if they have the roleblocker to take care of Dice (if he is the cop) and they're fine with the circumstances of him still looking shady even if we wouldn't chance voting him during the day without a counterclaim (which could be strategically played by them as well)?

 

Feels like we're decently down rn as town with a dead townie and a cop claim, maybe it's necessary to play with some risk? 

 

seriously?

 

you think you, or verbally who seems to seriously want the cop dead, should be protected?  I don’t know what verbs been smoking but I see no world where your clear in any way

 

3 hours ago, ed2funy said:

Idk tbh, feels like he was trying to breadcrumb, then lots of soft claiming and then finally doing it. Yes it was close, but people were posting 

 

at least SOMEONE saw it.  Where were when I needed you to see it bananabreath?

 

 

1 hour ago, RandA lThor said:

Did not think it was possible for town to false claim cop, but I guess with the strongman and role blocker magnet it's possible.

 

Seriously?

 

1 hour ago, RandA lThor said:

But in a normal game with no strongman/role blocker, that would just out the real cop, when they were not at risk before, and potentially get both towns killed, or even if the first guy retracted their claim, they probably wouldn't be trusted, killed anyways, and now the cop is out?

done it and had a cop smart enough to see what was being done

 

pretty sure Zander’s done it too

[Turin Turambar]

Looked at Verbs post and still don't see how he had Heavy as town. He kinda avoided talking about him even when he was a pertinent part of conversation. 

I'm gonna look for a couple of quotes. 

 

[Turin Turambar]

15 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

If Heavy and Marsh are w/w, I'll eat my shoe.

 

If Marsh is town, DPR looks bad.  I don't know if it makes Key look bad, her effort seems consistent with her town game so far.  NAI on Turin here.

 

If Marsh is scum, all bets are off and somebody shoot me that night.

 

 

 

Seems legit.

Verb doesn't mention Heavy at all in this post other than to say he is unlikely  w/w with Ironeyes (his big town read). I mean if Marsh is town like he has been advocating, doesn't that make Heavy look worse? Verb doesn't seem to be even considering that possibility. 

[Turin Turambar]

15 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

See, now you make me think I'm seeing things that aren't there with DPR and that you might be looking for escape routes to push.

 

FML.

This is to Heavy. It is the softest dis towards Heavy but also one of the last things that he has posted regarding him. 

[Turin Turambar]

15 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Hmm.  That makes it even weirder.

 

DPR says a Heavy post was scummy and links him with Turin.  Then Turin susses you, who turns it towards Heavy.  Then DPR votes you.

 

Doesn't make sense.

This is to Ironeyes, his town read. He doesn't really say anything about Heavy but seems to be setting up DPR to look bad if Heavy flips mafia. 

 

I think Verb is likely mafia, and I also think his flip makes Heavy more likely mafia, as well as Key possibly. That's a bit of a stretch tbf so I will have to look into that further. 

[Turin Turambar]

36 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'm afraid I don't really follow what you mean. The three townies you mean if the 3p target was Marsh so we have an SK now? 

 

How can we help them and not also give more info to the mafia as to who is who? 

I would say the chance of Ironeyes being the target is small (1/12, 1/9 if mafia are excluded). It is possible but an SK still wants to kill mafias, especially the RB and strongman.

 

First. Due to the probability of multiple townies dying tonight, we should  all try to give our thoughts. That way the rest of the town can see where we are knowing we're town. Second, and this could be incorporated in the list, indicating who we would doc, cop, shoot, hide behind. The Doc may not matter as the Strongman can kill thru the doc protect. If everyone does it, it gives mafia more to think about and maybe they make a mistake or just do something sub optimal.

 

Oh, and you can't choose yourself for any action. That should go without saying but yeah.

[Turin Turambar]

8 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Can't wait to hear how Marsh was super scummy and it's his fault he was lynched.

 

Also can't wait to hear how Ithi explains how she was not willing to entertain being wrong while being wrong.....or just being right and scum.

 

Fun times we live in.

This sounds like mafia that KNEW Ironeyes would flip town.

[Ithillian Turambar]

9 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

This sounds like mafia that KNEW Ironeyes would flip town.

Oh please. Verbal is not that obvious.

[Turin Turambar]

7 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

The exception here is Key - she's last as I did have her as a town lean prior to all this.  And the way a scum lean in Dice treated her makes me think they have the potential to be teammates, but only if Dice is scum.

 

That made sense in my head, not sure.

 

 

 

Dice gets left in WTL because of GF potential.  If true, the real Cop needs to consider all angles, and maybe grab a red peek before countering so we get a 2fer in the deal.  Maybe.

This makes no sense. Dice isn't going to get copped if he's not the cop. He's gonna get voted tomorrow. Unless the real cop thinks he actually is town playing a dangerous game. 

I don't understand why you are treating Dice as both the un cc'd cop and a person of interest. Either you believe or you don't. If you didn't believe you should have just kept your vote on and lynched him and took the heat. That you didn't means your not committed to him being mafia. Logic says you need to accept him as town until additional evidence changes that. 

That you then only can see Key as potentially his teammate is also Olympic level mental gymnastics. 

Finally, making an exception for Key from the lynch All Ironeyes voters is sketchy as heck. 

[Turin Turambar]

8 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

In case I don't live to see the morning, here's where I'm at after this flip.  Wagonomics states that Rand is most likely town.  If scum and Dice is town, then Rand would just state internet lag or something and boom - cop is dead.  That he moved means most likely town.  He currently stands alone.

 

Town

Rand

 

Next is the town lean group.  I gave some thoughts on these before - nothing has really changed yet.

 

Town Lean

Nyn

Key

Lenlo

 

Next is the "who the eff knows" group.  I just don't have enough to read yet (for me).  I know Turin has plenty of content, but he spent too much time D1 defending everything said to Ithi that it muddies the read a bit.  I'm confused on Heavy.  Marsh had him scum, but I was leaning the other way.  I'll meet Marsh in the middle and place Heavy here for now.  Ed and Tigs I don't have a read on.

 

Null

Turin

Heavy

Ed

Tigs

 

Now my WTL group.  I had already put DPR and Dice in my scum leans, and Ithi joins them with her bad take on Marsh only being able to be scum.  Not allowing for incorrect assumptions is not townie behavior.  And I did say I'm killing everybody on Marsh's lynch train.

 

WTL

Ithi

DPR

Dice

This is weird. You have Dice as wtl after his cop claim with no cc. Yet you have Rand as town solely  (imo) due to him unvoting the cop. If Dice is mafia, mafia Rand could also UNVOTE him. I'm not saying that is that case.  I'm saying that you don't make sense. It's like you just discounted all of EoD with the exception of moving Ithi down(blahblahblah defending).

You kept Key town.

You kept Dice wtl. Despite his cop claim it seems.

You kept DPR wtl.

You moved Rand to Top Town using weird logic.

Spoiler

I can even see a world where you, Rand, and Dice are mafia together and this a wild scheme. Dice claims he gets RB'ed continually, you two call each other town for your D1 unvotes, hoping to hold out. 

I don't think that is it but who.knows?

 

BTW, your claim that too much of my posts were defending Ithi is just not true. That's 2013 meta and it doesn't apply here. I think you threw it out hoping people would remember the back then and just go with it.

 

If you think I'm lying about the last, prove it.