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[Mailman]

Its back in the top ten original series but it's because of other series falling not an increase in viewing. This is the finale I think as well very poor viewing numbers.

 

 

 

Edited May 15 by Mailman

[Elder_Haman]

  On 5/15/2025 at 11:38 PM, Mailman said:

Its back in the top ten original series but it's because of other series falling not an increase in viewing. This is the finale I think as well very poor viewing numbers.

 

 

 

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I don’t think you can accurately describe the viewership for a show in the Nielsen Top-10 as “very poor”. Perhaps “below expectations”. But not “very poor”. 

[Mailman]

  On 5/15/2025 at 11:52 PM, Elder_Haman said:

I don’t think you can accurately describe the viewership for a show in the Nielsen Top-10 as “very poor”. Perhaps “below expectations”. But not “very poor”. 

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Of course it is an achievement to get a ranking in a Nielsen top ten although it is in the original category and not the overall top 10.

 

But for the show itself and it's hoped targets I cannot imagine it is great.

For it's finale to be barely beating a show that finished 3 weeks prior can't be good.

For it to have lost around 20% of its episode 4 audience can't be good especially considering the acclaim that has attached itself to the episodes. Word of mouth usually tends to have the opposite effect.

Edited May 16 by Mailman

[Mailman]

Tried to work out a bit more about possible position.

 

There are 17 shows at least ahead of WoT across the separate Nielsen lists.

 

Bobs Burgers which at the very best is 13th place has 633M minutes compared to WoT's 427M. 

 

This would at a guess place Wot in a best-case scenario somewhere around number 30 overall, but more likely a considerable number of places lower than that.

 

For the first time I am starting to think it's possible they may not even do a wrap up season even.

 

[Elder_Haman]

  On 5/16/2025 at 12:19 PM, Mailman said:

Tried to work out a bit more about possible position.

 

There are 17 shows at least ahead of WoT across the separate Nielsen lists.

 

Bobs Burgers which at the very best is 13th place has 633M minutes compared to WoT's 427M. 

 

This would at a guess place Wot in a best-case scenario somewhere around number 30 overall, but more likely a considerable number of places lower than that.

 

For the first time I am starting to think it's possible they may not even do a wrap up season even.

 

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So the US market is the only one that matters in your mind?

[Guire]

I think the show will eventually be renewed.  This is not the show I wanted but it seems to be popular enough and well received by the critics and fans Amazon seems to be courting.  Who knows what Amazon uses as measurement for performance in  US or specific markets overseas. They don't need the money but still may include profitability in decision.  

[Elder_Haman]

  On 5/16/2025 at 2:09 PM, Guire said:

I think the show will eventually be renewed.  This is not the show I wanted but it seems to be popular enough and well received by the critics and fans Amazon seems to be courting.  Who knows what Amazon uses as measurement for performance in  US or specific markets overseas. They don't need the money but still may include profitability in decision.  

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If Jon’s information is correct (Jon being the producer of the WoT Up! YouTube channel), then Amazon and Sony are currently in active discussions. Jon’s information has been reliable in the past, so I have no reason to doubt him now. 

 

If there are active discussions, the show will likely be renewed. I’m guessing the issues being discussed are the number of seasons to be greenlit and the specifics about length of run and length of episodes. I will be very surprised if the show is outright canceled. 

[Mailman]

  On 5/16/2025 at 1:09 PM, Elder_Haman said:

So the US market is the only one that matters in your mind?

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Of course not but it is usually the one referenced it is also the one that this thread in particular was centered around.

 

I also cannot seem to get the site to show me other countries rankings so it's hard to compare them, someone else might be able to reference some information on nielsen rankings in other countries.

[Elder_Haman]

  On 5/17/2025 at 12:29 AM, Mailman said:

I also cannot seem to get the site to show me other countries rankings

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I could be mistaken, but I don’t think Nielsen exists outside of the US. 
 

For that matter, it’s a pretty imprecise source for US viewership numbers. The Nielsen methodology was far better suited for the pre-streaming world where shows fit into neat time slots. 
 

Not that the numbers are useless, of course. They just really aren’t the be all, end all of the analysis. 

[Mailman]

  On 5/17/2025 at 12:42 AM, Elder_Haman said:

I could be mistaken, but I don’t think Nielsen exists outside of the US. 
 

For that matter, it’s a pretty imprecise source for US viewership numbers. The Nielsen methodology was far better suited for the pre-streaming world where shows fit into neat time slots. 
 

Not that the numbers are useless, of course. They just really aren’t the be all, end all of the analysis. 

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There is an apparent drop down menu above the lists that seems to indicate I could select different countries but the button does not work so that would explain why.

 

I thought it was held in some regard but I have no basis for why I thought that except for hearing it talked about a bit and being around for a long time.

 

I am basing all my analysis on the data provided from it's site so if the site is inaccurate or poor then the analysis is of course corrupted by the underling poor source.

[Maximillion]

8 episode seasons, each almost 2 years apart, was a dumb idea.

The show has no momentum at all, despite getting better season to season.

I can't imagine that many people being invested in it.

 

GoT was 6 seasons in 6 years and 60 episodes, with every season increasing it's viewership, before they screwed it up with the 13 episode final run split into 2.

But it had momentum.

 

The WoT production is totally incompetent.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 17 by Maximillion

[Mailman]

Amazon prime just cancelled the Bondsman (Kevin Bacon) after it's first season. Debuted with 563M minutes.

[Sabio]

I cut them some slack for season 1 with COVID.  Question is when should we start to worry?  The producers have made a lot of mistakes with this series but I also wonder if WOT just doesn't make a good movie/TV show.  There is just so much in it that it's hard to explain to an audience.  So much back story, inner monologue, side stories etc.    RJ never made WOT with it being a TV series in mind. 

[Blueberry]

  On 5/17/2025 at 11:40 AM, Maximillion said:

8 episode seasons, each almost 2 years apart, was a dumb idea.

The show has no momentum at all, despite getting better season to season.

I can't imagine that many people being invested in it.

 

GoT was 6 seasons in 6 years and 60 episodes, with every season increasing it's viewership, before they screwed it up with the 13 episode final run split into 2.

But it had momentum.

 

The WoT production is totally incompetent.

 

 

 

 

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Unfortunately it's a common trend in the last few years for shows to have shorter seasons and longer waits. Covid didnt help 😞 I think Vox did an article on it at some point. The expectation of quality for shows has gone wayy up. Shows are trying to be more ambitious with their content and quality to keep watchers interested. I do appreciate all the attention to detail, I found some scenes in the show truly breathtaking last season and I would love to paint some of them.

 

I'm curious if inflation plays a part at all in this trend. Everything is more expensive now. Tech, set and clothing design, peoples wages. Either way I really miss shows that have almost a dozen seasons and maybe 12-20 episodes each season. 

[Elder_Haman]

  On 5/23/2025 at 4:52 AM, Sabio said:

Question is when should we start to worry?

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IMO we should worry if there’s no announcement by the end of Q3.  (End of September)

[Sabio]

Well guess there is no longer a need to worry.

[Guire]

  On 5/23/2025 at 10:25 PM, Sabio said:

Well guess there is no longer a need to worry.

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Nope

[Pukel-man]

  On 5/17/2025 at 11:40 AM, Maximillion said:

8 episode seasons, each almost 2 years apart, was a dumb idea.

The show has no momentum at all, despite getting better season to season.

I can't imagine that many people being invested in it.

 

GoT was 6 seasons in 6 years and 60 episodes, with every season increasing it's viewership, before they screwed it up with the 13 episode final run split into 2.

But it had momentum.

 

The WoT production is totally incompetent.

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There's a lot to all of this. The comparison with GoT is on point. Everybody wants to have the next GoT. But HBO didn't say "we're going to try this adaptation, and renew it year to year to see if it has legs." They said, "we're going to adapt the GoT book series, it should take about seven years, and we're going to make it GOOD." (Things got wonky when Martin didn't finish the series and the show had to write original material that was obviously inferior in quality.) 

 

Amazon took the modern streaming service approach and said, "we'll see if the fans give it legs and if not we'll cancel it." Notice that making it good and doing the whole thing is not part of the project. Rafe Judkins was never going to make Robert Jordan's series, he was clear about that, and every announcement going up to the series premier made it obvious this was not Robert Jordan's WoT. Book fans gave it a chance anyway. 

 

When it turned out that Rafe Judkins and his team can't write worth a damn, the goose was cooked. How many people watched season 1 and never came back? How many give season 2 a chance and gave up then? We don't know, but the question of people invested in the series is legit, and likely to be bad. So here we are, as the saying goes. 

 

I'm not going to celebrate like ElderHamann says some people do, but this outcome was settled before a single episode aired. Rafe Judkins was given license to do his own thing, and he did. Remember, he had NO resumé to speak of when he was given this job. David Benioff had a very credible resumé when HBO hired him to run GoT. What Sony/Amazon were thinking, I have no idea.

[DavyDrones]

Not being able to stay in the top 10 after the 3rd episode shows how much the viewership dropped. A badly adapted source material deservers cancelation.

Edited May 27 by DavyDrones

[Maximillion]

  On 5/27/2025 at 12:02 PM, DavyDrones said:

Not being able to stay in the top 10 after the 3rd episode show how much the viewership dropped. A badly adapted source material deservers cancelation.

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The more  see some of the things Rafe Judkins actually said about his intent, the more I dislike him. That said, I would have preferred continuation with a new show runner and team.

[nsmallw]

I heard from Jon of WOT Up that Jordan Studios in Czech Republic is defunct now, the main actress moved away after season three was wrapped and the actor/production teams etc would need to be re-hired/contracts made etc. These issues and the viewing numbers were all signs of the end. 

I truly hope that the Save WOT works but I'm doubtful. 🤞