Wheel of Time Season 3 - Full Season Discussion

[Jaysen Gore]

  On 3/30/2025 at 12:48 AM, Agitel said:

My biggest concern from the last episode is Rand's and Lanfear's discussion on the Pattern and the Wheel. And this may seem odd. Rand is rejecting the notion that the Pattern dictates his fate as a naive superstition. Lanfear states they weave their own fates. Now this is Lanfear, a Forsaken. This messaging would be on point for her. But I don't know that I trust the writers to stick to the series' themes here and not just embrace what Lanfear is saying. So I hope I see a reversal on this point later. 

 

Whether or not you believe in fate or higher forces in real life, it is essential to the basics of the Wheel of Time. Many character arcs, Rand's especially, are a sort of struggle and/or reliance on ta'veren nature and fate. While most people are not woven so, Rand and the others struggle with the Wheel railroading them where they need to be, literally shaping reality around him. Whatever else they do character or plotwise, this is like a fundamental, core motif of The Wheel of Time. If they were to abandon it, then what are they even doing choosing to adapt the property?

 

This might seem the most minor thing to some, but again, this is one of the core motifs of the entire series and the character arcs, the interplay of human freedom and fate. It's the very name of the series. The wheel isn't just the cycle of ages, it's what spins out the pattern.  "The wheel weaves as the wheel wills."

 

If the writers actually endorse Lanfear's sentiment here, which seems naive of me to believe, but again I don't have full faith in these writers, then I feel like that would be the most significant rejection of the source material, above anything else. Even if you still adapt most of the character and plot beats without it, it feels like missing the point. 

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I've been from one side of the Randland to the other, kid, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything make me believe there's one all powerful force controlling everything...

 

Rand is Ta'veren and a young pig headed sheepherder, and Lanfear is the arrogance of power - they will refuse to accept the pattern forces them to their actions - Rand because it doesn't and Lanfear because she will be a slave to no one. I don't think they've gotten into what it really means to be Ta'veren yet, since in one way, the whole of reality hangs on their choices, and on the other, they are forced to their decision points like pigs to slaughter.

 

Multiple AS in the show have used the Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, and I suspect they know more about influencing events than Rand. So I wouldn't worry about this.

[Jaysen Gore]

  On 3/28/2025 at 1:27 PM, Turin Turambar said:

His roots grew out.  

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The barber weaves as the barber wills...

[DaddyFinn]

  On 3/27/2025 at 6:03 PM, Spiritweaver1 said:

The good news is that when AI starts creating these shows one could program it to reboot the series and have the show that could have been.

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No. Just no. Do you think that's what RJ would have wanted?

[Elder_Haman]

  On 3/30/2025 at 12:54 AM, Irvyne said:

Then Siuan says, "Oh look, a gray man snuck into the White Tower."

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(A) I don’t believe that’s a direct quote; (B) her actual line is something more like: “gray skin, blackened fingers”; (C) Lanfear names it a “gray man”

[Skipp]

My head canon for Suian's knowledge of Grey men is that after Verin discovered the one in the tower she informed Suian about them.  Verin knowing more than most people about obscure things just works on multiple levels.

[notpropaganda73]

It is Leane who mentions the Grey Man. You don’t see who is talking, the camera shot is from above as Siuan heals Elaida, but it’s clearly Leane’s voice

[Mailman]

3 Episodes to go. Which current story arcs are they going to complete.

 

Almost certain.

Rand breaking the Aiel

White cloaks and trollocs beaten in the 2 rivers.

Tanchico (feels like we will need these characters in other places soon)

 

Maybe?

Moiraine dies (feels like it should be end of next season)

Tower divides (maybe early next season)

 

I feel even if they keep it super tight on the top 3 it will still feel fairly rushed however with the shows penchant for prioritizing other story lines I feel that it will be much worse than that.

 

The show desperately needs more episodes.