What are they doing to Canon?

[Turin Turambar]

2 minutes ago, Cipher said:

They sidelined Nynaeve after her testing?—IMO it was an over compensating nerf for the ninja powers they gave her in S1.  She can take out a trolloc solo (something a rusty sword master could not do) and sneak up on the best swordsman, legendary warder, king heir of a nation known for its martial prowess.

Her killing the trollocwas primarily a function of stealth. In the books she is regarded a skilled woodswoman which always sense since she probably has to go out and find her herbs (wolves are a thing). The show says she actually tracked Moraine.  So that's  a nerf.

[Mailman]

11 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Her killing the trollocwas primarily a function of stealth. In the books she is regarded a skilled woodswoman which always sense since she probably has to go out and find her herbs (wolves are a thing). The show says she actually tracked Moraine.  So that's  a nerf.

The show actually said Moiraine had a tracking tell that Lan had not spotted in 20 years which is a super nerf on him.

[Turin Turambar]

19 minutes ago, Mailman said:

The show actually said Moiraine had a tracking tell that Lan had not spotted in 20 years which is a super nerf on him.

Did they say what it was? I kinda thought it had something to do with the power. But then how could he duplicate? Perhaps itwas just a different perspective thing? Idk

[Mailman]

3 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Did they say what it was? I kinda thought it had something to do with the power. But then how could he duplicate? Perhaps itwas just a different perspective thing? Idk

Nope Nyn she told him about the tracking tell to allow him to follow Moiraine to the eye.

[Turin Turambar]

4 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Nope Nyn she told him about the tracking tell to allow him to follow Moiraine to the eye.

OK.  I had thought it must be something about the power cause otherwise I didn't exactly see how that worked for her to find them outside of Shadar Logoth as Moraine wasn't driving per se. Rule of Cool I suppose. 

[Mailman]

14 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

OK.  I had thought it must be something about the power cause otherwise I didn't exactly see how that worked for her to find them outside of Shadar Logoth as Moraine wasn't driving per se. Rule of Cool I suppose. 

Lol as you can probably guess rule of cool does not quite cut it for me.

[Turin Turambar]

TBH, I like the book story better where she does have the woodcraft to track him. It just shows that trying to move horses through brush will leave signs despite efforts to tidy. 

[Skipp]

1 hour ago, Turin Turambar said:

TBH, I like the book story better where she does have the woodcraft to track him. It just shows that trying to move horses through brush will leave signs despite efforts to tidy. 

I honestly think that was the original plan until they had to rewrite episode 8 so quickly.

[BookMattBetterThanShow]

17 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Okay. I thought that guy lived. but fair enough. 

 

me too

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

1 hour ago, BookMattBetterThanShow said:

me too

I don't think it was explicit either way, though it did come across as horrifically violent. He also did not warn the guy off as I remember, which surely would be part of just beating him up. Otherwise what happens when he turns up at work a few days later? But I think it is filmed amiguously enough that you can fill your own details in. 

[DavyDrones]

On 9/1/2023 at 1:06 PM, TamSwordsman said:

I'm halfway through S2Ep3...and I'm disgusted...

 

This Rafe bloke is destroying books I deeply love.

 

There is simply no purpose to so many of his/the producers changes.

 

This is truly "inspired by" or "based on"...in the most loosely applicable sense.

 

They are literally taking themes from the books and creating their own story...a story that doesn't even remotely follow details and plot lines accurately.

 

I get that at times Jordan was verbose and that there must be some changes in any adaptation...but the things that are true to the books are occasional homage and by far in the minority. 

 

What do others think???

I agree with you 100%. The serial destroyed the lore. It is in the same boat as The witcher. There is one good thing from this fiasco. More people are buying the books now. 1 on 1 adaptation is imposible. Cuts are inevitable BUT following the story important. Hollywood studios must understand that it is quite easy to lose money when the audience starts voting with their wallets.

[Maximillion]

On 5/27/2025 at 1:17 PM, DavyDrones said:

I agree with you 100%. The serial destroyed the lore. It is in the same boat as The witcher. There is one good thing from this fiasco. More people are buying the books now. 1 on 1 adaptation is imposible. Cuts are inevitable BUT following the story important. Hollywood studios must understand that it is quite easy to lose money when the audience starts voting with their wallets.

 

It became a vehicle for Rafe Judkins to bring to life his own perspectives.  It's one of the most selfish and narcissistic tv/film creations ever made.  It was made for him personally.

 

His actual words... discussing fantasy novels...

 

 I never met or saw myself in those worlds until I read Wheel of Time. A lot of it also — this is the ’90s and early 2000s — was very coded. It’s always, women are pillow friends. They’re not lesbians. But it’s all there. When you’re reading it, it felt like big billboard signs of: These are queer stories; these are queer characters, especially in comparison to all the other fantasy I’d been reading. For me, it was very important to find that in the show today. I feel like part of our job as artists who are adapting something is to bring it to life, not just word-for-word but to also bring its context to life. And the context of Wheel of Time in the ’90s is very different from the context of reading the books today. I wanted to infuse that into the show and hopefully let people who weren’t seeing themselves in other fantasy shows see themselves in Wheel of Time. 

 

When you go into it with that as a clear intention then there was never any chance that this was going to work.  He is the ONLY person to blame for the failure and I am happy it was cancelled before his pathetic narcissism  could be expressed further on film.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 12:14 PM by Maximillion

[Kaleb]

A. He's right about Robert Jordan, who had polyamorous relationships and wrote that into his fiction, obviously. Polyamorous relationships are usually, though not always, at least partially queer. Jordan put these themes in the text of The Wheel Of Time and they are obvious. They were obvious in the '90s, but many readers - my young conservative self included - were happily oblivious to them because of straight culture's general resistance to acknowledging the existence of queer relationships.

B. Just to reiterate, the show existed ONLY because Rafe Judkins wanted to make it. Yes, he owns all the credit and blame for it. No one else at anywhere close to his level of media influence (which was not particularly high to begin with) was interested in making a WoT show, and making the three seasons that exist was a massive accomplishment and win for expanding the audience for the franchise as it struggles under the inept and myopic ownership of iWoT/REE.

[Mailman]

21 hours ago, Kaleb said:

A. He's right about Robert Jordan, who had polyamorous relationships and wrote that into his fiction, obviously. Polyamorous relationships are usually, though not always, at least partially queer. Jordan put these themes in the text of The Wheel Of Time and they are obvious. They were obvious in the '90s, but many readers - my young conservative self included - were happily oblivious to them because of straight culture's general resistance to acknowledging the existence of queer relationships.

B. Just to reiterate, the show existed ONLY because Rafe Judkins wanted to make it. Yes, he owns all the credit and blame for it. No one else at anywhere close to his level of media influence (which was not particularly high to begin with) was interested in making a WoT show, and making the three seasons that exist was a massive accomplishment and win for expanding the audience for the franchise as it struggles under the inept and myopic ownership of iWoT/REE.

Which of the polyamorous relationships in the books included queer sexual relations? Or are you referencing a purely platonic loving relationship.

There was definite love for example between Avi, Elayne and Min but I do not remember anything sexual between the 3 girls only between them individually and Rand.

[Kaleb]

The Wise Ones dropped hints about Aiel sister-wives sometimes having sexual relationships several times throughout the books. As well as some Maidens being lesbians.

Edited 11 hours ago by Kaleb