Season 2 sneak peek + other NYCC stuff

[Skipp]

57 minutes ago, Wassup said:

Do you think that is Turak in the middle?  He has the “nails” and is holding a sword. 

I believe it is.  He seems to resemble the actor casted to play him.

[notpropaganda73]

In terms of Book 1 ending vs. Season 1 ending, really what will matter is what follows. We can talk about EotW til the cows come home but RJ set up his world so well in that book, the ending was a mess (for me) but the books that followed were so good, the Book 1 ending doesn't really factor in my mind when I think of the WoT story.

 

I said at the time that the S1 ending was so poor that it has left them little to no wiggle room for S2 to "find their feet". They need to nail it (imo). If S2 and S3 are anywhere near as good as The Great Hunt & The Dragon Reborn (and maybe parts of the Shadow Rising with how they have talked about takings bits of TGH & TDR for S2?), then the show will be great. And for me, there were enough signs in S1 that they understood the source material and I could see often times what they were trying to do with the story, it was just execution that let them down in certain moments (though I still stand by episode 4 being really fantastic and better than any episode from RoP for example). So I'm excited to see what S2 looks like because if I'm right, and hopefully they've ironed out those execution problems, we could be in for a great ride.

[DaddyFinn]

1 hour ago, notpropaganda73 said:

In terms of Book 1 ending vs. Season 1 ending, really what will matter is what follows. We can talk about EotW til the cows come home but RJ set up his world so well in that book, the ending was a mess (for me) but the books that followed were so good, the Book 1 ending doesn't really factor in my mind when I think of the WoT story.

 

I said at the time that the S1 ending was so poor that it has left them little to no wiggle room for S2 to "find their feet". They need to nail it (imo). If S2 and S3 are anywhere near as good as The Great Hunt & The Dragon Reborn (and maybe parts of the Shadow Rising with how they have talked about takings bits of TGH & TDR for S2?), then the show will be great. And for me, there were enough signs in S1 that they understood the source material and I could see often times what they were trying to do with the story, it was just execution that let them down in certain moments (though I still stand by episode 4 being really fantastic and better than any episode from RoP for example). So I'm excited to see what S2 looks like because if I'm right, and hopefully they've ironed out those execution problems, we could be in for a great ride.

The best thing is, there's no more "who is the dragon mystery". They can really start exploring and expanding the characters.

Edited October 21, 2022 by DaddyFinn

[DojoToad]

51 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

The best thing is, there's no more "who is the dragon mystery". They can really start exploring and expanding the characters.

Self-inflicted limitation there...

Edited October 21, 2022 by DojoToad
re-word

[MasterAblar]

On 10/21/2022 at 12:23 PM, DojoToad said:

Self-inflicted limitation there...

 

The less said about that whole "plot" the better. If it hadn't existed my opninion of the show would probably be significantly better.

[Sabio]

If things end up a mess there won't be a COVID disrupted shooting excuse this time.

[Cauthonfan4]

things were a mess even before covid, so that cop out didn't even really fly with me the first time.

[GayleneLambert]

On 10/8/2022 at 5:40 AM, DaddyFinn said:

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Each frame by Unraveling The Pattern

 

Looking really good 🤘



 

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[DaddyFinn]

1 hour ago, GayleneLambert said:

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Okay, I don't have another working link to share. 😕 Doesn't work for me either anymore.

[gd3123]

On 10/16/2022 at 9:13 AM, DojoToad said:

As 'bad' as the book ending was, the rest of the book was strong enough to carry us through to book two and a best-selling series.  For me, that was not the case with the show.  Very weak season culminated by a crappy finale.  S2 can still save the show but it needs to be way better.

This is exactly right . Comparing the ending of TEOTW to the last episode of season 1 of the show is absurd. The book makes FAR more sense and is easily justifiable.  
 

And yes, it is perfectly valid to criticize “professional” writers when they do a poor job, like they are doing here, just like a doctor should be criticized if they botch a procedure due to incompetence.  

[Scarloc99]

On 10/22/2022 at 12:53 PM, MasterAblar said:

 

The less said about that whole "plot" the better. If it hadn't existed my opninion of the show would probably be significantly better.

For all those who have never read the books it seems to have landed really well, at least all those I know. It led to "water cooler" conversations debating who it might be (until someone googled it lol) and drove discussion and debate. It also stopped season 1 being the "Rand Show" and allowed it to be more of the ensemble show that later books mean it turns into anyway. 

[Skipp]

1 hour ago, Sir_Charrid said:

For all those who have never read the books it seems to have landed really well, at least all those I know. It led to "water cooler" conversations debating who it might be (until someone googled it lol) and drove discussion and debate. It also stopped season 1 being the "Rand Show" and allowed it to be more of the ensemble show that later books mean it turns into anyway. 

That was how it was for the nonbook readers in my circle.

[Pandemonium]

Carnival Row releases officially in February now.  Looks like it will be at least April or May to get season 2 of WOT.  Hopefully not fall 2023

[DojoToad]

42 minutes ago, Pandemonium said:

Carnival Row releases officially in February now.  Looks like it will be at least April or May to get season 2 of WOT.  Hopefully not fall 2023

Probably a stupid question, but is there something wrong with them both being released about the same time?  Or is it just the fact that nothing has been said about WoT yet so it won't be released in the 1st quarter?

[SinisterDeath]

2 hours ago, DojoToad said:

Probably a stupid question, but is there something wrong with them both being released about the same time?  Or is it just the fact that nothing has been said about WoT yet so it won't be released in the 1st quarter?

They want to make sure people that subscribed to watch one show, stay subscribed to watch the Next.

Take Paramount+
If they had released Picard S2, Discovery, Brave New Worlds, and Lower Decks all at the same time on a weekly schedule, what draw would there be to stay subscribed, after 2-3 months when all those shows finish? 

Instead, they keep you hooked for the next show, and the next, and the next, and the next thing you know, you're living in a van under a bridge...

[Scarloc99]

17 hours ago, Pandemonium said:

Carnival Row releases officially in February now.  Looks like it will be at least April or May to get season 2 of WOT.  Hopefully not fall 2023

We might be able to get a feel by looking at what other major series are coming out. (note this is some fun back of a postage stamp finger in the air guestimation) 

According to the tinterweb we have. 

Boys season 4 
Good Omens season 2 (Q3) 
Jack Ryan season 4 (season 3 releases 23rd dec so can imagine a dec release for season 4) 
Marvelous Mrs Maisel seaon 5 (Last Season) now traditionally they dropped November/Dec with season 4 in Feb due to Covid. 
Reacher season 3 
Carnival Row Feb 2023
Legend of Vox Machina season 2  Feb 2023
WOT season 2

Note this is just what I see as being the major releases of the year that Amazon will use as their tent pole series 

Now I can't see WOT being released at the same time of any of those major series (all of them generally landed in top 5 positions when released) for the reasons given, Amazon wants to keep subscribers paying out to keep them watching more. 

Assuming Ryan is the major December release in 2023 I can see Mrs Maisel or possibly Good Omens possibly being moved forward to a September release (end Q3) to fill the ROP 2022 slot. If we assume those 3 major releases at the back end of 2023 

The Boys generally releases around summer (june, september, july) so if we assume that is one of the major summer releases 

Reacher had a Feb release in 2022 but I imagine this will come later in the year in 2023 just because of filming and editing requirements , I don't see it clashing with Jack Ryan as they are thematically similar so lets assume it is the end of the summer. 

So that suggests a big WOT hole to fill in the Spring schedule. Possibly end of April start of May, if they release weekly again then you are looking at May/June being WOT which then flows nicely into the Boys for end July, then if Maisel is moved forward to August, we can have October free for Reacher and Good OMens at the end of the announed Q3 release schedule. But I am probably completely wrong 

So in order my prediction (and some announced) 
Carnival Row (announced) Feb
Vox Machina (Announced) Feb
WOT April/May 
Boys June/July
Mrs Maisel August/Sept 
Good Omens August/Sept 
Reacher Oct 
Jack Ryan Dec 

Thoughts on this, or any series you think I have missed that are Key Amazon releases? 


 

[Jacobr]

I would say there is a real posbility they delay WoT to the RoP release window (Labor Weekend and then weekly until all episodes released). It’s their only show that feels similar enough, and with RoP season 2 production being delayed, my guess is that it won’t be available for release until Sept 2024. It’s shortens the gap between their two tent pole fantasy series. 
 

I doubt The Boys will be ready for a June release- I imagine they haven’t wrapped filming on season 4 yet, and they’ll need over 6 months for post. I think they are launching GEN V, the Boys spin off, this year instead of doing a Boys season. Boys 4 might air late ‘23 with Gen V, getting the summer slot. I could potentially see WoT getting the May/ June slot with Gen V dropping in July or vise/ versa.

Likely you’ll see WoT, Gen V and Good Omens taking Late Spring/ Early Summer, Mid-Summer, and then Late Summer/Early Fall in some order. 

Reacher ( at least season 1) was a one day full season drop, so it could possibily be in April post Carnival Row or over the summer ( Good Omens 2 is only 6 episodes and may also drop all at once, which is probably why we know it’s already scheduled for next summer)

 

 Masiel- it has a very different audience than these shows, so it could really be any time. They’ll likely get it out before May so their last season can be Emmy eligible in the fall ( and fresh on voters minds).

 

so my best guess:

Jan - Hunters 2 ( final season/announced)

Feb- Carnival Row 2 ( Final season/ announced)

March- Daisy Jones and the Six ( new series, announced) 

April- Maisel ( Final season)

May/ June- Gen V ( new series-could be swapped for WoT)

July- Reacher 2/ Good Omens 2

August- Good Omens 2/ Reacher

September/Oct-WoT 2 ( Labor Day weekend premier, same schedule as RoP this year- could be swapped with Gen V but only if Amazon doesn’t want to air Boys 4 in ‘23)

Nov/ December - Boys 4

 

Amazon also has several new series to slot in here as well. Citadel being a pretty big one ( or at least one they’ll promote).

 

Not sure why so many things were randomly underscored. Sorry about that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Jacobr

[DojoToad]

You all put some thought into this.  Be interested to see how close you are on time frames and order of release.  May the odds be always in your favor...

[Pandemonium]

14 hours ago, Jacobr said:

I would say there is a real posbility they delay WoT to the RoP release window (Labor Weekend and then weekly until all episodes released). It’s their only show that feels similar enough, and with RoP season 2 production being delayed, my guess is that it won’t be available for release until Sept 2024. It’s shortens the gap between their two tent pole fantasy series. 
 

I doubt The Boys will be ready for a June release- I imagine they haven’t wrapped filming on season 4 yet, and they’ll need over 6 months for post. I think they are launching GEN V, the Boys spin off, this year instead of doing a Boys season. Boys 4 might air late ‘23 with Gen V, getting the summer slot. I could potentially see WoT getting the May/ June slot with Gen V dropping in July or vise/ versa.

Likely you’ll see WoT, Gen V and Good Omens taking Late Spring/ Early Summer, Mid-Summer, and then Late Summer/Early Fall in some order. 

Reacher ( at least season 1) was a one day full season drop, so it could possibily be in April post Carnival Row or over the summer ( Good Omens 2 is only 6 episodes and may also drop all at once, which is probably why we know it’s already scheduled for next summer)

 

 Masiel- it has a very different audience than these shows, so it could really be any time. They’ll likely get it out before May so their last season can be Emmy eligible in the fall ( and fresh on voters minds).

 

so my best guess:

Jan - Hunters 2 ( final season/announced)

Feb- Carnival Row 2 ( Final season/ announced)

March- Daisy Jones and the Six ( new series, announced) 

April- Maisel ( Final season)

May/ June- Gen V ( new series-could be swapped for WoT)

July- Reacher 2/ Good Omens 2

August- Good Omens 2/ Reacher

September/Oct-WoT 2 ( Labor Day weekend premier, same schedule as RoP this year- could be swapped with Gen V but only if Amazon doesn’t want to air Boys 4 in ‘23)

Nov/ December - Boys 4

 

Amazon also has several new series to slot in here as well. Citadel being a pretty big one ( or at least one they’ll promote).

 

Not sure why so many things were randomly underscored. Sorry about that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a great analysis.  This makes me realize the greatest accomplishment of Game of Thrones was that it released a new season every year on time for the first 7 seasons.  

 

If they take almost 2 years to release every season of WOT they will likely never finish the show, but I guess that is the pace that Amazon seems to work on.  

[Skipp]

Hopefully we are looking closer to a year and a half per season.  That would make it a little more bearable.

[DojoToad]

6 hours ago, Pandemonium said:

That's a great analysis.  This makes me realize the greatest accomplishment of Game of Thrones was that it released a new season every year on time for the first 7 seasons.  

 

If they take almost 2 years to release every season of WOT they will likely never finish the show, but I guess that is the pace that Amazon seems to work on.  

Plus it is hard to build any momentum with the show with the viewers.  Plus actors want to move on to other projects - how do you keep them together?

[Jacobr]

On 12/13/2022 at 12:00 PM, DojoToad said:

Plus it is hard to build any momentum with the show with the viewers.  Plus actors want to move on to other projects - how do you keep them together?

This the the thing Amazon will have to struggle with. It’s very hard to get these VFX heavy shows out quick. There’s at least 8-10 months of shooting and  8-10 + months of post. At best your looking at about a year and a half. At worst 2 years. They basically have to relaunch the show every season marketing wise ( think of it as like a sequel movie rather than TV seasons). The only way around this is for Amazon to green light seasons well in advance of the previous season coming out.

 

The actor thing is only tricky because of actors aging out, but you’ll just have to address that within the story ( I personally think it’s fine for the story to be stretched over a few extra years, always seemed to progess a little quick time wise in the books for me, but obviously everyone will feel different). The key actors on the show will be locked into at least 7 seasons contractually (Rosamund may be different) and it would be very difficult for them to just leave. The only benefit of the long time between seasons it it actually does given them time to go to other projects.

 

[DojoToad]

1 hour ago, Jacobr said:

This the the thing Amazon will have to struggle with. It’s very hard to get these VFX heavy shows out quick. There’s at least 8-10 months of shooting and  8-10 + months of post. At best your looking at about a year and a half. At worst 2 years. They basically have to relaunch the show every season marketing wise ( think of it as like a sequel movie rather than TV seasons). The only way around this is for Amazon to green light seasons well in advance of the previous season coming out.

 

The actor thing is only tricky because of actors aging out, but you’ll just have to address that within the story ( I personally think it’s fine for the story to be stretched over a few extra years, always seemed to progess a little quick time wise in the books for me, but obviously everyone will feel different). The key actors on the show will be locked into at least 7 seasons contractually (Rosamund may be different) and it would be very difficult for them to just leave. The only benefit of the long time between seasons it it actually does given them time to go to other projects.

 

Makes sense.  The world, she is a changing...

[Cauthonfan4]

On 11/27/2022 at 5:54 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

It led to "water cooler" conversations debating who it might be

really? Never saw any water cooler discussion at my job about it. no one was talking about the show at all.

On 11/27/2022 at 5:54 PM, Sir_Charrid said:

It also stopped season 1 being the "Rand Show" and allowed it to be more of the ensemble show that later books mean it turns into anyway. 

it wasn't even an ensemble, it was literally all about Moiraine, Nynaeve, and to a lesser Extent, Egwene.

 

 

[DojoToad]

1 hour ago, Cauthonfan4 said:

really? Never saw any water cooler discussion at my job about it. no one was talking about the show at all.

 

I didn't see it either.  No one talked about it where I worked.  But there are only 25 people in our building - so a pretty small sample size...