Little Miss Mafia [Basic] 9'er - Game Thread

[Andrej]

I’d like to see your reads in general before you starting asking me for mine, Cass ?

[Andrej]

5 minutes ago, Sooh said:

They would know if they have a role or not, and that they hit somebody who didn't die. If they have a role, they might have hit somebody who was doctored, jailkept or BP. They don't know whether or not it's one or the other, and I would rather not they have that information, so I am strongly opposed. They don't really have that much more info than we do. 

 

I think having a clear on someone to narrow the POE outweighs scum figuring out which one of two setups they would already know we are in. if the BPV was hit then it’s essentially a forced double tap because now they are a named townie.

 

Seems advantageous to the Town as a whole imo.

 

[Cass]

K so

Will still fight a lynch against Nyn-Liz 

Zander's probably Town, would like to interact with him a bit but based off history if he's gonna tunnel me for being tired he's gunna tunnel me for being tired.

 

Dice, I'm watching. Hoping eventually he clears himself for me.

 

Crush on re-read seems pretty generally invested rather than agenda-y, other than with a strange fixation on Dice's strange fixation on not being able to describe NB for Liz's strange fixation on NB.

 

Sooh's made some good calls and nice moderate-y plays but nothing groundbreaking yet.

 

AJ's seeming opportunistic to me in places. I felt he got a bit more invested towards the end of EoD but I don't necessarily think he'd make the 'What is this and why aren't we lyching it?' comment about NB if he was Town?  

 

Kat's a conundrum

 

 

I ❤️ NB

 

 

 

[Sooh]

1 minute ago, Andrej said:

 

I think having a clear on someone to narrow the POE outweighs scum figuring out which one of two setups they would already know we are in. if the BPV was hit then it’s essentially a forced double tap because now they are a named townie.

 

Seems advantageous to the Town as a whole imo.

 

Still disagree. As a claim if you're close to get lynched it's fine, but other than that I don't think it has any advantage to us. Anyway, there's a big chance a BP wasn't hit last night anyway, so this conversation is getting moot.

[Cass]

I'm too tired to math advantages and disadvantages, everyone just do their thing ❤️

We got time ^.^

 

 

 

[Cass]

I'm out, sleep and family \o/

Happy weekend peeps ?

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count 2.2

 

Cass (2) : AJ, Zander

 

Not Voting (6) : Sooh, SexyHydra, Cass, Kat, dice, Crusher

 

Deadline:  Sunday, July 7th, 12am MIDNIGHT CDT.

 

Vote Count 2.1 | 

Day One Final VC

[keyholder21]

1 hour ago, Sooh said:

Just FYI... EOD is 6am Sunday morning for me, which is probably ideal for our Australians, but not so much for me. I'll try to use Saturday well in the thread and such, but I can't promise to be prominent or even present at EOD. 

 

36 hour day on DM lol... this is progression.

 

With all the different timezones playing, I don't think there is a perfect deadline time :/.

[Sooh]

10 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

 

With all the different timezones playing, I don't think there is a perfect deadline time :/.

There really isn't, but I kinda like the revolving times though, at least one day will be ok for all ?

[Zander?]

Also i will not be answering anyones questions until you answer my wagonomics question!!!!!

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Cass said:

 

Was there anything that stood out to you about EoD?

 

What things are you looking at?

Safe to say probably one scum on JCs train. Fairly obvious to  his play wasn’t indicative of his alignment

[Nynaeve]

4 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

Also i will not be answering anyones questions until you answer my wagonomics question!!!!!

 

I believe we just located Zander's off button lol

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Sooh said:

I really want to look at Kat today as well, but if she's not going to be around it's going to be difficult. 

 

 

Does anybody want to take a second look at Liz/Nyn today? I half feel like I gave them too easy a pass yesterday and I want to reexamine.

I find hydras difficult. Like reading two books at once. The Zander Lizabeth spat was interesting but though to follow. I thought Nyn was within her town range . She had a couple post I liked. 

[The Crusher]

6 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

Also i will not be answering anyones questions until you answer my wagonomics question!!!!!

Yes. The answer to your question is yes. Ok

[Sooh]

Most universally town read yesterday was Nyn/Liz, yeah? So if there was a save from a doc or a jailkeeper I would assume it was on them. I mean I still want to take a further look at them, but purely in terms of your wagonomics question, Z I would say most likely wolf if any on NB would be AJ. Likely partner could be anyone at this point, but the non voters spring to mind as likely. 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Sooh said:

Considering one of the BP setups is one with a jailkeeper I would strongly discourage anyone to reveal any roles right now, regardless if they have been informed or not. It would give mafia too much information about which setup we're in.

Not sure how the Jailor works but beyond that I agree with Andre that the person shot is already a known to the mafia. 

1 hour ago, Andrej said:

They already have more of that information based on their roles, plus the knowledge of where they aimed.

 

So if the BPV was hit (and therefore no longer useful) then they can become essentially a named townie for the Day.

 

[Andrej]

Jailor roleblocks and protects the person they target at the same time, so it leaves some ambiguity about which.

 

If last Night was because of a jailor, they either saved the right person or roleblocked the scum submitting the kill.

[Andrej]

@Cass so your bottom two are me and Kat?

 

@Sooh no comment on Cass?

[Sooh]

1 minute ago, Andrej said:

@Cass so your bottom two are me and Kat?

 

@Sooh no comment on Cass?

I want to see what she does first. If her contributions for the rest of this game day are as lacking I'm possibly on board with a lynch. Not going to blame her for going to bed at 3am though.

[Andrej]

That’s fair. Any comment on her list? (That’s more what I was asking)

[Sooh]

1 minute ago, Andrej said:

That’s fair. Any comment on her list? (That’s more what I was asking)

Not super impressive, but I like that she repeats herself and it seems like the sort of list a sleep deprived person would write lol. It makes it seem less tailored and more genuine to me. A scum would have an agenda and a narrative to stick to, and I feel like that list is not very agenda-y at all. She doesn't even name any true suspects, and from where I'm standing myself that makes sense. At the same time that opens up the opportunity to jump on anyone else's suspicions and cases more easily perhaps.

[Sooh]

BTW, when is the next episode of AJ builds stuff coming out? I want to have my popcorn ready.

[Lizabeth]

22 hours ago, Zanatron said:

 

Gross

No.

 

If we were going to flip a coin and risk a mislynch, I'd rather we do it on someone who was not helping to clear himself from the PoE and who basically stated that he did not care when he was invited to participate in clearing himself from the PoE.

 

If you had a strong lead on someone you thought was going to flip scum, then you should have pushed it.

 

Okay, catching up on the night. Peace, for now!

 

(Going to really really try to do a silent catch up...we'll see how it goes )

[Lizabeth]

19 hours ago, Zanatron said:

 

Wagonomics means theres likely at least 1 Wolf on NB imo.

 

@ everyone 

 

Who is it and why and who makes the most sense as their partner and why?

 

Even if you disagree state you disagree but please answer like gun to head please.

(Okay, that was a short catch up...)

 

I just wrote about this issue in a graveyard over in perc. Or maybe MU. But anyway, cue pedanticism...

 

Analyzing D1 wagons in isolation is a challenge, especially when you don't have a flip or peek on the alternate wagon. If the wagons are town-town it essentially means nothing, because mafia could be anywhere. If one or more of the alternate wagons are scum, then it means a whole lot more.

 

So I personally don't put a big stock in d1 wagonomics unless the lynchee flipped scum. That doesn't mean we ignore it, but it's not going to be the centrepiece of my analysis.

 

Given that the thread is not that busy, I'll probably go and take a second look at it though to see how wagons potentially line up with reads....

 

1 hour ago, Andrej said:

Also, seeing as how nobody died it means one of three things.

 

Either scum shot the townie with a vest.

Scum hit the doc protect or a person in jail.

The Jailer put scum in the hole last night and they were the ones to attempt the murder.

 

if it’s option 1, I would ask that player to consider claiming (especially if they were informed their vest took the hit) at some point as it may help clear up the board some. Scum already know who they shot, and although they may not be 100% why it failed, they’re gonna have an idea based on what they randed.

 

1 hour ago, Sooh said:

Considering one of the BP setups is one with a jailkeeper I would strongly discourage anyone to reveal any roles right now, regardless if they have been informed or not. It would give mafia too much information about which setup we're in.

 

1 hour ago, Andrej said:

They already have more of that information based on their roles, plus the knowledge of where they aimed.

 

So if the BPV was hit (and therefore no longer useful) then they can become essentially a named townie for the Day.

 

1 hour ago, Sooh said:

They would know if they have a role or not, and that they hit somebody who didn't die. If they have a role, they might have hit somebody who was doctored, jailkept or BP. They don't know whether or not it's one or the other, and I would rather not they have that information, so I am strongly opposed. They don't really have that much more info than we do. 

 

1 hour ago, Andrej said:

 

I think having a clear on someone to narrow the POE outweighs scum figuring out which one of two setups they would already know we are in. if the BPV was hit then it’s essentially a forced double tap because now they are a named townie.

 

Seems advantageous to the Town as a whole imo.

 

 

1 hour ago, Sooh said:

Still disagree. As a claim if you're close to get lynched it's fine, but other than that I don't think it has any advantage to us. Anyway, there's a big chance a BP wasn't hit last night anyway, so this conversation is getting moot.

 

I agree with Sooh in all this. Unless I'm interpreting the setup wrong, mafia may have no clue as to why their kill got stopped, regardless of how it got stopped, because the only special role they potentially have is a mafia RB, which could go with either a doctor or a BP/jailkeeper combo. If they only have goons, then their kill could have been stoped by a bp a jk or a doc.

 

So outing the BP (if there is one) does give us a clearer PoE by one slot, but it also gives mafia more information that we don't need to give them. I don't think it's a good trade off unless the role in question is about to get mislynched.

 

@Andrej @Crusher - thoughts?

 

47 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

Also i will not be answering anyones questions until you answer my wagonomics question!!!!!

 

42 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

I believe we just located Zander's off button lol

lololololololol

 

(Sorry, Nyn, I couldn't help myself! I had to answer!)

[Lizabeth]

@Sooh,

you never asked me that question we were talking about..