You're In Good Hands: The Beau Tomteer Law Firm Mafia GAME THREAD

[Clovdyx]

4 minutes ago, Katiora said:

What can I do to prove I'm town??? I mean I could copy and past my email from Cory, but that would get me ModKilled so it would kinda defeat the purpose.

 

Just read the game, post your thoughts, ask/answer questions.  I promise, if you're town, I will do what I can to read you correctly - same as I will with literally every other player.

[Katiora]

1 minute ago, Clovdyx said:

 

I'm not tinfoiling you.  I'm trying to figure you out, and I don't have to pretend you're my peek anymore.  I did/do think your constant paranoia is a good look but AJ was absolutely correct to say you would probably be savvy enough to do that as mafia.  I don't think anybody that knows you thinks you're just going to come in with hard, concrete reads as scum and plaster people to the wall.  It'd be the most glaring thing in the thread and everybody would call you out for it.

 

So that leaves me looking at tone and general contribution.  I think I ~sort of have a baseline for you - as much as I can without ever having played against you as scum - and don't think your tone is completely off, but there have been a couple of things that sounded forced/wrong.  "I do apologize" for missing the trial, for example.

 

General contribution... you're well below where you normally are.  I know you're like the Anti-Zander (and that's mostly a good thing!) but just looking at this game versus GoT, where's the substance?  Where are the actual opinions?

 

 

In my defense this game has me seriously thrown off... the thing is I get a lot of my info from where people put their votes. Who is on competing trains. honestly I don't know what to look at this game. Looking at interactions between posters is hard for me. It's a lot of reading without a lot of reward. The way this game votes with only one suspect and no competing train to get information off of is going to have me being poor on reads at least until I find something solid I can sink my teeth in. And I apologized because I had full intentions of showing up and putting forth some effort and I didn't, and I kinda felt bad because that made it where I'm even more null than usual because I had no input on the verdict which is the only way to gain information for real this game. 

 

I'm not trying to be obtuse and as soon as I have a good solid break with time and a serious likelyhood of not being constantly interrupted at work, like I am right now, I do plan on going back through Hallia's interactions and seeing if I see anything that pings me one way or another. I can understand your suspicions of me but please give me a little time to get my thoughts wrapped around the game before condemning me. 

[Clovdyx]

27 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

@Clovdyx what's darc's meta? Differences between scum/town game?

 

Happiness?

 

Volume is probably slightly lower as scum, but she's not typically someone that makes a LOT of posts as town - she usually makes fewer, longer posts with a lot of quotes (she does this as either alignment).  Mostly it's going to be subtle differences in tone/comfort/purpose.  I would guess she probably plays up the paranoia a bit as mafia for most players but forces herself to read certain people more easily than she naturally would?  

[Clovdyx]

26 minutes ago, Katiora said:

I'm not trying to be obtuse and as soon as I have a good solid break with time and a serious likelyhood of not being constantly interrupted at work, like I am right now, I do plan on going back through Hallia's interactions and seeing if I see anything that pings me one way or another. I can understand your suspicions of me but please give me a little time to get my thoughts wrapped around the game before condemning me. 

 

I'm fine giving you the same leeway I'll give everybody else.  I'm not going to demand anybody die for not being here...but I'm also not going to use inactivity as an excuse to keep anybody around.  I care a hell of a lot more about what you say/think than how many posts you make or how long it takes you to get there ❤️

 

[Clovdyx]

14 hours ago, seph said:

Where my head is atm

Not lynching

Darthe

clov

cass

 

Dice

penguin

Darc-star

Aj-lenlo

kat/ Nynaeve

 

@seph I don't remember if I asked this or you've said anything, but just going back and this jumped out... why is Penguin higher than the rest, but especially Darc?

[Katiora]

24 minutes ago, Clovdyx said:

 

I'm fine giving you the same leeway I'll give everybody else.  I'm not going to demand anybody die for not being here...but I'm also not going to use inactivity as an excuse to keep anybody around.  I care a hell of a lot more about what you say/think than how many posts you make or how long it takes you to get there ❤️

 

❤️ honestly can't ask for more

[seph]

36 minutes ago, Clovdyx said:

 

@seph I don't remember if I asked this or you've said anything, but just going back and this jumped out... why is Penguin higher than the rest, but especially Darc?

The darc part was on my last big post.

as for penguin I honestly thought he could be town day one and his day two he came out strong asking and I have thought since day one nothin seemed off about his tone. If he keeps up with his play since the start of today I don’t think I’ll have any problems with him. 

 

This list was before darc came back in but I never really understood how she was so high just from the flip in peoples perspective?!?!? Yea someone who reads her well said she was town. But people can be wrong, it’s why we play the game.

 

if I’m miss clearing anyone in my do not want to lynch I would guess cass as I don’t think you are ever in any scenario mafia. And if you are I would honestly high five you for playing this damn well. 

 

Cass s has been on point with her town game though sometimes while reading her wots I get the why was this needed thought. But generally I have been in line with most of her thought process and I am like 90% sure she should be town.

 

i probably have dice a little to high if I’m to be honest... I thought I used to be good but i am just a terrible dice reader. Generally when we butt heads he is always town so I have a bit of reserve towards that spot.....

 

if people had their darc reads after she came back in today I would have 0 problem. But I don’t think she really said much day one besides when I pestered her. The only person(clov) who has played with trip and her is the only one I don’t have issues with as you have meta on them both.

And I think we can partially trust trippeds view on her. But others who are sleeping you or going along with it because tripped was town, and you are being strongly town read bothers me... especially when if there is no original content to add to the discussion.

overall though yes I think darc is town and if I had to pick a deep wolf it would be her, dice or cass in my list.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Darc (1) - Clov

Cass (1) - AJ

 

Not Voting: Darc, Dice, Lenlo, Nyn, Seph, Cass, Illian, Kat, Penguins

 

ILLIAN WILL BE REPLACING DARTHE. DO NOT DISCUSS REPLACEMENTS

[seph]

Thank god the new person is lock clear

also clov[\b]

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Darc (1) - Clov

Cass (1) - AJ

Clov (1) - Seph

 

Not Voting: Darc, Dice, Lenlo, Nyn, Cass, Illian, Kat, Penguins

 

ILLIAN WILL BE REPLACING DARTHE. DO NOT DISCUSS REPLACEMENT

[Clovdyx]

12 minutes ago, seph said:

Thank god the new person is lock clear

also clov[\b]

 

u w0t m8

[Clovdyx]

@seph Dice has played with Darc and Tripped.  AJ might have, I'm not sure.  Penguins has definitely played with both of them.  In fact, he probably has more direct experience with her than I do - and I'm fairly confident he's played against her when she was mafia, whereas I've only played against her as a weird SK variant and town (and I've never been town with her).  All of the times I've had to approach her and figure out if her interactions with known mafia were as teammates were from spectating.

 

I'm really interested in her response to you saying she could be a deepwolf lol

[Clovdyx]

If I had to make a final "ride or die" read on Penguins right now, I'd call him town for his EoD1.  I think barring some sort of epic thunderdome or somebody flipping mafia after just trying to wipe the floor with him, he ~always needs resolved before endgame, but I think it's mildly villagery the way he looked outwards while still looking in?  

 

Also the thing to Tripped about her insulting him for insinuating he'd ask to be bussed is something I don't know I think Mafia!BWN would really pull out on Town!Tripped, just before she's about to make an accusation and has already named two mafia in her potentials (him/Hallia).  This is also something everybody should put no stock in.

[Nynaeve]

33 minutes ago, Kaylee said:

Official Vote Count

 

Darc (1) - Clov

Cass (1) - AJ

Clov (1) - Seph

 

Not Voting: Darc, Dice, Lenlo, Nyn, Cass, Illian, Kat, Penguins

 

ILLIAN WILL BE REPLACING DARTHE. DO NOT DISCUSS REPLACEMENT

 

When's DL?

[Kaylee]

3 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

When's DL?

 

I think tomorrow sometime I'm waiting on confirmation from Cory

[Illian Tear]

On 12/2/2018 at 3:27 PM, Cory Caboose said:

It is now Day 2!

 

You may now post.

Day 2 will end 9:00 PM E/ST on December 4th.

End of day.

[Kaylee]

46 minutes ago, Illian Tear said:

End of day.

 

Thanks

[DontTrustThePenguins]

6 hours ago, Andrej said:

 

How did you get to that conclusion? Lol. I am referring to Tripped as the dead cop because shes the dead cop. I do think the fact that she was wary of you is important (you keep saying it was a null read but I disagree and don’t remember her expressly saying that), but mostly I was bringing up who was talking about you D1 to highlight how you’re exaggerating.

 

Youre making up this bit about me being angry. That’s my take on how EOD went down and I wouldn’t be surprised post game if it’s true.

Quote me saying saying it was a null read because I never once said that. So I don't know where you get "keep saying" it from.

 

And it's your language. You're implying that it's worse for me that "the flipped cop" wasn't town reading me like it's significant. Yes, she was town, but she had no more information than anyone else in town (I'm repeating myself now), so the fact that she was at one point wary that I hadn't got involved has nothing to do with her being cop.

 

Then I did get involved and did what I needed to do. You seem annoyed because you keep bringing it up like you're bitter about me doing it and you're droning on about it so it did matter to you. 

 

It's not EoD now and I'm involved. I've said what happened and you're still not happy. It doesn't seem like you're trying to understand me, it just seems like you're trying to hold on to what you can to get a mislynch.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Darc (1) - Clov

Cass (1) - AJ

Clov (1) - Seph

 

Not Voting: Darc, Dice, Lenlo, Nyn, Cass, Illian, Kat, Penguins

 

ILLIAN WILL BE REPLACING DARTHE. DO NOT DISCUSS REPLACEMENT

 

DEADLINE DEC 4TH 9PM EST

 

Roughly 1 day and 3 hous from now. 

[DontTrustThePenguins]

6 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

You are not Hallia.

No my mummy told me I could be anything I wanted to be and I want to be Hallia!!!

 

But no, let's be honest, except one post where you said why do you want to believe me or whatever you were pushing for me too.

 

(Insert joke about having two at the same time) though.

[DontTrustThePenguins]

6 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

I have no problem with bussing a teammate that needs to be bussed.  I have a huge problem bussing unnecessarily.  Theres a reason my teams sweep like 50% of the time.

 

Are you mixing me up with Fable?  Because I am quite certain I've never bragged about it... I usually end up apologizing, and I'm pretty sure the only teammate I've bussed since yiuve known me - in any game, on any site - was Desthro in true love.

You bussed alette too in jungle but I was talking about you bragging about bussing Desthro.

 

The Clov brag of "hey I did that. Lol aren't I a stinker". I didn't even read that game and I know from that what happened lol

 

But what I'm saying is what I also know of that game is Des was being scummy. 

 

Did you misunderstand what I was saying in this post though that while you *can* buss, I think you're confident to not do it straight away.

[Clovdyx]

6 minutes ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

No my mummy told me I could be anything I wanted to be and I want to be Hallia!!!

 

But no, let's be honest, except one post where you said why do you want to believe me or whatever you were pushing for me too.

 

(Insert joke about having two at the same time) though.

 

I'm not denying that.  You deserved to be pushed, and I did.  I have exactly zero regrets about it, no matter what your alignment is.  Obviously if you're town, I'm glad I shifted my attention and even more glad Tripped did, as well.  But even if you're town, I would change nothing whatsoever about my D1. 

 

And you can be Hallia if you want, but you have to get a Funshine Bear tattoo.

[Clovdyx]

1 minute ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

You bussed alette too in jungle but I was talking about you bragging about bussing Desthro.

 

The Clov brag of "hey I did that. Lol aren't I a stinker". I didn't even read that game and I know from that what happened lol

 

But what I'm saying is what I also know of that game is Des was being scummy. 

 

Did you misunderstand what I was saying in this post though that while you *can* buss, I think you're confident to not do it straight away.

 

I didn't bus Alette at all.  Like, I actively avoided discussing her that game until I had to, and even after she became a thing I didn't vote her.  I mean, I savagely ripped her heart out (and Kaleidoscope, who I'm pretty sure legitimately dislikes me as a human being now), but I played zero role in Alette getting lynched.  And that says something because I'm always down to lynch Alette

 

Bottom is fair enough.  I took it more of a "Yeah, it's a good sign, but people shouldn't get carried away in clearing Chris" whereas people thinking objectively should probably be like, "Yeah, he's a terrible lynch."

[Nynaeve]

vote: clov

[DontTrustThePenguins]

3 hours ago, seph said:

The darc part was on my last big post.

as for penguin I honestly thought he could be town day one and his day two he came out strong asking and I have thought since day one nothin seemed off about his tone. If he keeps up with his play since the start of today I don’t think I’ll have any problems with him. 

 

This list was before darc came back in but I never really understood how she was so high just from the flip in peoples perspective?!?!? Yea someone who reads her well said she was town. But people can be wrong, it’s why we play the game.

 

if I’m miss clearing anyone in my do not want to lynch I would guess cass as I don’t think you are ever in any scenario mafia. And if you are I would honestly high five you for playing this damn well. 

 

Cass s has been on point with her town game though sometimes while reading her wots I get the why was this needed thought. But generally I have been in line with most of her thought process and I am like 90% sure she should be town.

 

i probably have dice a little to high if I’m to be honest... I thought I used to be good but i am just a terrible dice reader. Generally when we butt heads he is always town so I have a bit of reserve towards that spot.....

 

if people had their darc reads after she came back in today I would have 0 problem. But I don’t think she really said much day one besides when I pestered her. The only person(clov) who has played with trip and her is the only one I don’t have issues with as you have meta on them both.

And I think we can partially trust trippeds view on her. But others who are sleeping you or going along with it because tripped was town, and you are being strongly town read bothers me... especially when if there is no original content to add to the discussion.

overall though yes I think darc is town and if I had to pick a deep wolf it would be her, dice or cass in my list.

I know Darc. If she has a deep wolf game, I really doubt it would come from pushing a teammate because that's not her.

 

Anyway I do keep pushing but who did you think was cop and why? You justed that in a thing about tripped and I wanted you to explain your reasons, but now I'm more wanting it because you're not answering.