RAGNAROK AVERTED - TOWN WINS (Including EP)

[Nynaeve]

vote hallia

[Krakalakachkn]

20 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

My hesitance to switch votes was because when scum tries to lay low but then gets run up close to deadline, they ALWAYS claim Cop. When you showed up with a half hour left til deadline, it was a given that of course you were going to claim Cop. Scum always yolos and claims Cop, to fish if nothing else. 

 

We of course also know that nobody who actually was the Cop would ditch the game, so there's that. 

 

My "trying to twist Ed 1.0's lack of posting and playing as low lying scum" was in fact thoroughly discussed by the entire game at length, which you would see if you bothered to read the thread.

 

I don't even remember who suggested it first, doesn't matter, but it was a solid town play given the circumstances. 

 

You keep saying things like "But you keep sliding low yourself". How? How am I sliding low? 

 

Nothing you've said above is correct in any way. 

 

Having this ongoing conversation with Ed doesn't count towards erasing your smooth sailing thus far imo

[DPR]

5 hours ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

 

Let me just link my last game with you. https://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/rtEAF543UTcf  Fun fact, it was also a Darthe game, just not on an actual forum. So, we went over this, I've played like 5 games in the last 5 years. One of them was a game with you, and it's not the only game I've played with you either. So, yes I do know how you used to play. This doesn't line up. To me you've done very little actual scum hunting. You went after the easy targets, generally the ones who couldn't or wouldn't defend themselves. Ed, Ame, Kat, BG, Duke. 3 of those flipped town, BG is claimed neutral, Kat I'm almost positive is town. So try to discredit my read more with stuff like "omg how can he know how I play if he hasn't been around?" 

 

not to me.

UNVOTE

VOTE: DPR

 

Fun fact: That particular game was the one where I was on the scum team with a pedophile was was pretty much just jerking off in the corner talking about how much he liked underage girls. No kidding. That's why I permanently banned that player from games I mod and won't play in another game with him. Without getting into details, it's an extremely negative subject for me personally, so to say that I wasn't "playing my usual game" would be an understatement. 

 

Getting back on track, trying to judge anybody's play from 5 years ago is pointless. Players learn, evolve, etc. and I think that if you take just a moment to consider what I've said about you this entire game, you'll see my point: you are much more concerned with believing in and supporting what you think than in observing what is actually happening.

 

I'm not the only one who has remarked on this. It is what it is. 

 

So when you say that I've done "very little scum hunting", is it possible that this is just what you want to see? Why don't we have a poll to see what the game thinks? Then lets do another poll to qualify what an "easy target" is and take note that I've participated in all conversations about these lynches and laid out my reasoning for voting or sussing them. 

 

Blah, blah, blah, my argument was never "how can he play if he hasn't been around". It's always been "when is this guy going to stop believing his on bs and stop loading the game down with theories?"

 

On a personal request note - no need to comment or even acknowledge the first paragraph. If you want to ignore all of the other points I've made and case me based on prior games, have at it. But that is the one that I really won't discuss any further and I only mention it because you brought it up and there really is no other way to explain it than to just be blunt. Otherwise, you seem to be on track to start posting segments, etc., and when I refuse to discuss them, you should know why. 

[Nynaeve]

Dpr is prolly town

[Krakalakachkn]

14 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

Dpr is prolly town

 

Why?

[DPR]

4 hours ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

I never went towards Kat tbh. DPR has been vocal about wanting Kat dead. If not mistaken he tried to vote her immediately after you did. He also seems very adamant about not wanting you to use your ability now that you're outed, or atleast that's my interpretation of his stance. Pretty sure mafia saved BG to attempt to make us waste another day there. I'm assuming the night save was just a global cancellation of deaths to save Sooh. I'm pretty okay with lynching DPR or Sooh/Arie. as for who is number 3, that's between Shad and Nyn. 
 

 

I've been vocal about every player. I'm vocal. 

 

I did vote her after AJ did - that was the plan we had discussed beforehand, the "it takes everybody to vote on a player to actually kill them" plan. I've also been very clear that I think Kat and BG are both Mafia. 

 

I've been very vocal and clear about AJ. 

 

Does it make more sense that mafia saved BG, or that BG is Mafia? How would they know who to target? "Global cancellation" seems a bit much, no? 

 

28 minutes ago, Krakalakachkn said:

 

Having this ongoing conversation with Ed doesn't count towards erasing your smooth sailing thus far imo

 

In context to this game, what other option has there been? Who hasn't been "smooth sailing"? There are players that throw theories out, but I've been clear that I see that as negative and not a positive. I feel like this is a narrative that got started and really doesn't reflect my play, so I mention it.

 

Having said that, reads are on the way:

[Nynaeve]

20 minutes ago, Krakalakachkn said:

 

Why?

 

Because I know how he plays and comes across as scum typically. Not saying I have 100% sucess rate, but he just sounds like townDPR to me.

[Nynaeve]

I was informed that one of my votes was stollen and that my votes were reset....

[DPR]

Eternal Phoenix - More interested in explaining his theories than in what is actually happening. Makes for a big distraction, but my read at this point is most likely Town based on interactions and lack of staying on point in any single direction.

 

BGrishinko - Mafia. He's trolled the No Lynch thing all game and didn't die on lynch. Nuff said. 

 

Katiora - Mafia. I'm seeing a trend with the whole "doesn't die after being lynched" thing. She's trolled with the memes.

 

Shad - Most likely Town. He strikes me as half-invested in the game. He could be slanking, but my experience is that he obsesses over most games and I just don't see him playing this casually as scum. 

 

Sooh/Arie - I'm basing this entirely on Sooh's play - If the Mafia team all get an extra life, than she's probably scum. Also, not to meta too much, but Sooh has been known to sub-out when Mafia. 

 

Hallia - She's not a high volume poster, and that makes it hard to read her. We've all played with her when she's low-posing scum and low-posting town. I'm content to wait to resolve her as we have better suspects. 

 

Andrej - Was leading and did a good job forming a Town core. Now he's got the guns and is pushing a plan without input from the rest of the group, which I'm not a big fan of. Has avoided answering my concerns about giving EP and ed guns. I want to see the logic, but if he is scum, he's basically been given complete control over the game and there is no world where I'm good with that. 

 

Leyrann - Not a big presence in the game so far. Has mentioned the time zone factor. Could be low-laying. I'm content to resolve later. 

 

Nynaeve - Straight up hasn't been playing. This isn't Town or Mafia Nyn. This is busy at work Nyn. That makes her an unknown, but we have enough players that her multi-vote doesn't need to be resolved before better suspects.

 

Lenlo - Actually deserves the "Smooth Sailor" and "Opportunistic" labels imo. Very likely Mafia. 

 

Ed2Funy - Not reading. Not helpful. Has said nothing about how his connection to the dead players might benefit the town and instead chooses to focus on me and make accusations that could be cleared up if he read the game. 

 

Krakalakachkn - Since Duke was Town Loki, I'm expecting Krak to be Fenrir, lol. 

[Krakalakachkn]

6 minutes ago, DPR said:

Krakalakachkn - Since Duke was Town Loki, I'm expecting Krak to be Fenrir, lol. 

 

[Shad_]

7 hours ago, Arie said:

Honestly, knowing Nyn, her not having an opinion is enough for me to be "o.O" and if that's a tell. I'm game. 

Vote Nyn.

 

Curious to see if that vote counts.

 

She hates randing wolf and generally takes a disengaged back seat or just subs out.  If she really likes her team she'll try but she won't be happy about it, like even in GitS she kept going on in QT about how she only didn't sub out for DPR and Ed's sake.  Basically if her frustration is all centered around the need to play the game she's probably not a villager.

[keyholder21]

Vote Count 3.4

 

BG: Lenlo, DPR

DPR: Eddie, EP

No Lynch: BG

Nyn: Shad, Ley

Lenlo: AJ

 

Not voting (5/13): Kat, Hally, Nyn, ArieSooh, Krak

 

 

Vote Count 3.1 | Vote Count 3.2 | Vote Count 3.3

[keyholder21]

@Krakalakachkn - thanks for the late night (for me) VC! I was sleeping :). 

[Shad_]

7 hours ago, Andrej said:

You may have just outed yourself as a liar to the whole thread. That’s exciting.

 

Thought crossed my mind but it's kind of too derp to be true.  Like, a wolf isn't going to walk into their second game here going "yeah so based on my years of experience playing with all of you"

 

Like

 

I imagine she's just talking about knowing her on DM in general as any alignment.

[Shad_]

7 hours ago, Leyrann said:

 

That's not true. I can only clearly remember one game with Nyn (we were lovers in that game), and he did not get into any fights.

 

Anyways, enough of the drama, let's just stop bringing it up okay?

 

I do agree that Nyn is unexpectedly passive this game, so let's just do this. I also don't think I've ever seen her as scum so a different playstyle than normal is pinging. (ftr, though I cannot clearly remember her from other games, I can remember her general playstyle; the two are different things)

 

Vote: Nyn

 

Um, that game lasted 5 days and we were ggwp keeping it humble in post, complimenting town on their good play.  Nyn walked in saying the only reason she didn't win the game for town sooner was because she didn't think Nego would be the kind of person to use cheap AtE tactics to get out of a lynch, started telling the wolves they should shut up and sit down because they suck but she's not surprised anyone who's friends with Cory (who wasn't playing or speccing) would be a pathetic egomaniac.  I took the bait for about 5 seconds and edited my post to "not worth it" before anyone saw it and she started quoting the blank post jawing at me to try to keep the derailment alive.  It's probably why Nego doesn't play here anymore.

 

So no, don't cite a game she actively tried to turn into a drama ----fest as an example of her keeping it civil.  We don't need to talk about it here but then don't bring it up.

 

As for this game, I don't want to bring it into play but if it's her defense for a lack of game solve then that much of it is game-relevant.  Drama has never been relevant to her investment level; that's an alignment thing.

[Nynaeve]

vote shad

vote shad

[Lenlo]

Geez a mans gone for a day and suddenly hes "lurking" and "smooth sailing". I wish we could still pull up post counts.

 

5 hours ago, Andrej said:

Why Lenlo is a wolf (in my opinion):

 

1. Voting record. Consistently taking the path of least resistance without much or any interaction. I don’t remember if he was voting anyone before Ed.1 but he slid onto that wagon without explanation that I can remember. His spat with BG essentially boiled down to a policy lynch, which - while true to some extent - is an extremely low liability vote. The same with voting Duk3 in the Gladiator match for the Loki claim. All reasons good enough to lynch someone without coming out looking too dirty.

 

2. Tracker claim. It makes a lot of sense for scum to have a PR of that variety. The flavor and role don’t really fit either. Eir is a Valkyrie that sits atop a hill (a special one) in lore. However, there’s a demon wolf that plays a pretty big part in the whole end of the world thing that would fit. The detail about seeing his target’s target is probably true and initially made me TR him for it but everyone is buffed so I assume scum would be too. His interest in Shad’s role is probably not a lie - Shad’s been mum about it - but the results he’s given for N1 and N2 are predictably fakeable. Vetting Shad’s failed shot and Hallia’s RB after the fact it was revealed is pretty safe too.

 

3. Game impact. Lenlo is majorly under the radar. After being almost universally accepted as Town D1 for the Tracker claim, I would expect Len to be a lot more heavily involved than he’s been. I don’t remember much of a fresh thought or read in days (literally). I feel like he’s playing in the shadows and thus far hasn’t had to step out too far except to vote the lead wagon that the Town is driving.

 

I would very much like to lynch him this phase because I fear he will continue sliding by and that I will soon be dead for good.

1) BG, my vote was more than just a policy lynch, though nice way to boil it down. Lets ignore the fact they are an outted non-town role who said they could confirm they were town after a day had passed. Guess what, a day has passed, they are still not confirmed town. So why arnt we lynching them?

 

2) Wow, its suspicious to have good reasons to vote someone now? Im a wolf because I had good reasons to vote Duk3? Wooow

 

3) Nice flavor pull, when we all know flavor is irrelevant. Your really stretching here.

 

4) Gee, ive been busy recently and the game turned into 40 pages of rehashed mech BS. You wonder why its the same 4 people talking over each other? 

 

5) You want to lynch me this phase? This came out of left field for you. You act like youve been pushing this all game, "I fear he will keep sliding by and I will be dead soon". Thats a bad line AJ. Your trying to guilt trip people into an easy lynch. #StopTheATE

 

 

4 hours ago, Andrej said:

 

The flavor is a minor detail in the grand scheme of things. A town read tracker!Lenlo in a crazy game wouldn’t be playing from the sidelines.

 

Its not about whether you look bad or not because of it. There’s really not much to say. You are using similar behavior that you are exhibiting to suspect someone else. If you are Town, then why can’t Hallia be town as well? It’s inconsistent.

Theres crazy and then theres this. I havnt played mafia in months, don't act like im gonna be the same as I was 2 years ago.

 

My take on this recent post, AJ is/was probably town. This latest push is from left field and terrible. #Disappoint.

 

I want BG dead. I don't understand how anyone can ignore him. Wheres his "proof" he claimed to have for being town if he got an extra night?

[Nynaeve]

Funny getting critisism for creating drama from shad... in this game...

 

Just Lol

[Nynaeve]

Im literally never voting anyone else for the remainder of the game until shad's gone... as should have been done in the first place via replacement or mk.

 

Darthe should have gotten the hint the first and second time. But it looks like the third and forth time arent helping to send the message.... so... *shrugs*

 

 

But remember, guys, im the one who keeps ruining all the mafia games. Not just on dm but in the WORLD!!! Lol

 

[Shad_]

5 hours ago, Andrej said:

Why Lenlo is a wolf (in my opinion):

 

 

I'm not sold on that?

 

I don't think lack of investment is ever a scum tell for him.

 

uh

 

 

[Nynaeve]

I think some people need to play a little bit less of the mafia and join a bit of the real world. Because the level of investment and, frankly, patheticness is getting to some interesting hights.

[Andrej]

14 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Geez a mans gone for a day and suddenly hes "lurking" and "smooth sailing". I wish we could still pull up post counts.

 

1) BG, my vote was more than just a policy lynch, though nice way to boil it down. Lets ignore the fact they are an outted non-town role who said they could confirm they were town after a day had passed. Guess what, a day has passed, they are still not confirmed town. So why arnt we lynching them?

 

2) Wow, its suspicious to have good reasons to vote someone now? Im a wolf because I had good reasons to vote Duk3? Wooow

 

3) Nice flavor pull, when we all know flavor is irrelevant. Your really stretching here.

 

4) Gee, ive been busy recently and the game turned into 40 pages of rehashed mech BS. You wonder why its the same 4 people talking over each other? 

 

5) You want to lynch me this phase? This came out of left field for you. You act like youve been pushing this all game, "I fear he will keep sliding by and I will be dead soon". Thats a bad line AJ. Your trying to guilt trip people into an easy lynch. #StopTheATE

 

 

Theres crazy and then theres this. I havnt played mafia in months, don't act like im gonna be the same as I was 2 years ago.

 

My take on this recent post, AJ is/was probably town. This latest push is from left field and terrible. #Disappoint.

 

I want BG dead. I don't understand how anyone can ignore him. Wheres his "proof" he claimed to have for being town if he got an extra night?

 

Lol you are scum.

 

wow

[Nynaeve]

And lets get something straight here.

 

I've been playing here for what? 10 years? And mafia thrived back then. It only started to die off when certain individuals came along.  

 

So dumping things on me is all good and well but the fact is that most of the old crowd pretty much lost interest and faded away. And a significant part of what remained just wasnt all that.

[Andrej]

4 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

I'm not sold on that?

 

I don't think lack of investment is ever a scum tell for him.

 

uh

 

Think about Len in Ley’s Caesar game as an example.

 

He’s done next to zero this game but claim Tracker D1 then slide onto a bunch of wagons with little to no interaction.

 

Do you have any idea where he’s at reads wise beyond the obvious BG push?

[Shad_]

I'm not going to be fully current for a few hours yet but in general the stuff I'm used to looking for isn't out there re: actually lynching and flipping consensus targets and evaluating how people adjust from there.  It's a game that invites town complacency and that makes it a lot easier for wolves to slide under the radar. 

 

I'm kind of like

 

"Well Lenlo has had decent tone"

 

and wow that's a crappy reason to be reading someone town on D3

 

rip ISOs

 

Maybe I'll try to reread some of the earlier game tonight I dunno