[Basic C9++] Murder Mystery Mafia D5

[ed2funy]

 

 

If we go by mod-confined roles and actions, we can get a more accurate picture and we don't need to spec. Things are already a mess - why make them worse? That's why I said ed knows I'm town - which he does - because I'm usually all over the spec and I'm making a serious effort to not do the after last game.

I'm not sure what this has to do with your alignment.

 

Why in your opinion should this constitute hard evidence from Ed's POV that you are a villager?

 

Because ed has seen my scum game enough times to know when I'm being genuine - he knows a number of things that I would have employed if I was scum.

 

That and his lunchtime read on me.

DPR, with all due respect, I don't remember people's metas from years ago like that. Even the last game, I still have this vague impression that you will do crazy things as Town or Mafia to assist your team. Also, read my last post on this.

[Shad_]

I can't remember if I replied to this already. Before you even said this, I'm pretty sure, I said you're a player who can still hide being scum under the guise of trying to change up your playstyle because of the last game. All to help the town.

But your actions have been purely out of self-preservation and pushing this today.

Ok so you're basically refuting his meta claim outright.

[Songstress]

Tress any deep thoughts? Your tone has been pure as daisies but I still can't quite escape the feeling that you're skating through without the level of investment I would expect.

 

Just got home, eating dinner, will be looking at Niniel interactions as promised.

 

I think Ed and DPR are both suspect as hell right now, just trying to decide what combo makes the most sense to me.

[ed2funy]

 

i like you ed but if you're a villager we gotta work together, not tear each other apart

Stop trying to throw the game to the wolves by lynching me then. Y'all knew I'd be busy today.

 

 

DPR, my town read on you was no where near solid. I liked you as Town because you weren't so distracting and fighting everyone. But you're the kind of player that will hold your word on not throwing a game into chaos by fighting WHILE using it as cover.

Here

[ed2funy]

 

I can't remember if I replied to this already. Before you even said this, I'm pretty sure, I said you're a player who can still hide being scum under the guise of trying to change up your playstyle because of the last game. All to help the town.

But your actions have been purely out of self-preservation and pushing this today.

Ok so you're basically refuting his meta claim outright.

From his last game to this game, yes.

[DPR]

 

You got nothing on your claim. No proof at all. Which is why you did it.

 

if I was Doc, I wouldn't counter right now.

You keep saying this. It sounds game-throwing crazy to me but I'll ask: why?

 

 

 

He soft-claimed and investigative role last night. And that was during the night, which is crazy...

 

He claimed Doc today after the flips - he knows the Cop is gone.

 

That leaves the Doc as the likely most powerful role the town has left. 

 

A fake reveal that prompts a cc gives the scum team the ability to take that role out.

 

That's not a terrible trade if your neck is on the line and Darthe has been high on the suspect list all game.

 

Seriously, if it was anyone but Darthe... and he hadn't stoked SK talk... or soft claimed Cop...

 

That's the part that's fuzzing my radar - it's okay now to play scummy. You can vote without presenting reasons, soft claim at night and change that up the next day, admit that you'd rather vote for a person even if you knew another was scum... it gets confusing.

 

And when it gets confusing, the town tends to lose.  

[DPR]

 

 

Quick read of Town to Scum going down. Loosely. Still evaluating final positions, but I just know I'm a top. Will pull some ISOs and reaffirm what could just be shoddy memory. Feel free to correct me so I can correct you.

 

ed2funy - honest to god the sexiest villager I've ever seen, and I've seen his cannoli.

 

Shadory (cory caboose & Shad_) - Not even going to lie, the hydra thing is annoying, but only because you are both active. I actually have Cory higher town than you, but you're one entity. I'm not

 

DPR (DreadPirateRoberts) - Sexiest pirate and with hell of a detachable stump (it has batteries, guise). As I stated before, I actually have been agreeing with him a lot. From Bro Job Club (please don't reply to this aspect - I read all of the back and forth and can see the merits of both arguments, but still generally agree with DPR while understanding if any of you caught the other looking at your hand, you'd pick it up and slap them) to Killa being given too much town cred for her posts to thinking I'm hawt shit. I insofar haven't been leaning scum on him. Probably because of the whole trying really hard not to fight everyone, which I appreciate. I still view the game as find scum by scummy actions before trying to clear town. It makes more sense to me, because paranoia.

 

SoJames (Sooh & E James Todd) - Sooh, I feel pretty comfy with (James doesn't exist). She's asking questions without trying to lead from what I recall.

 

manbat - manmeat has a lot of content, but has been sitting more null in my book. Most unremarkable manmeat I've ever seen.

 

seph - I already know he's going to sulk at me, but he's mainly low on my list because of my early perceptions of him. Honestly pending a move on my list on some re-skim.

 

Tigraine - I think I've already explained my views on her a couple of times. Tigs sits lower because from what I recall, she should have handled that whole debacle better. I also have know Tigs the longest and probably have played the most with her. The biggest thing holding me back besides not having as many content-scum-reads as knowing-Tigs-reads (Hey, are we a Bro Club?!) is Tress saying no lynching her.

 

Killashandra - I'm really not seeing what everyone is hard on Town for her. I will do more of an ISO to illustrate and point out my thoughts. Last post didn't help.

 

Songstress - I have her so low because she doesn't love me and I can't really remember why. Biggest thing I remember thinking at some point is that she is trying to play to her town meta (not that I know it, but from interactions)

 

Darthe - Honestly not even my most suspect person to try to Lynch. He just naturally fits as a bottom, and he's been coasting more than anything. Not as much pot stirring as usual.

 

Dead Players

Clov (Clovdyx) - FancyPants McGee and Vanilla Town - NK N1

WolfbrotherKronos - Toussaint Le Breton and Vanilla Town - D2 Lynch

Niniel - Beauregard Jackson and Mafia Goon - D1 Lynch

Gonna type here.

 

 

Vote Counts: Town in Blue; Mafia in Red. In case you're DPR or have lost use of half of your brain.

 

Day 1 Lynch

Final Vote Count

Niniel (7): Ed, Darthe, SoJames, Shadory, Seph, Tress, Clov

Darthe (3): DPR, Niniel, Kronos

Tigraine (1): Manbat

Not Voting (2): Tigraine, Killashandra

 

Day 2 Lynch

Final Vote Count

Kronos (6): Shadory, Seph, Kronos, SoJames, Darthe, Manbat

Not Voting (5): Tress, Ed, Tig, DPR, Killashandra

 

Here's ed's read on me as of lunch today.

 

This goes directly against the things he's said tonight.

But they actually haven't. I still admit I was agreeing with you on those points. But then I take into account the way you've been trying to set this up and came at me after. I didn't just flip around. You were higher up on my list and then you dropped after your actions.

Also, another point coming up in next quote.

 

 

 

LOL. I didn't set anything up - I didn't keep you from posting content. 

[DPR]

 

 

If we go by mod-confined roles and actions, we can get a more accurate picture and we don't need to spec. Things are already a mess - why make them worse? That's why I said ed knows I'm town - which he does - because I'm usually all over the spec and I'm making a serious effort to not do the after last game.

I'm not sure what this has to do with your alignment.

 

Why in your opinion should this constitute hard evidence from Ed's POV that you are a villager?

 

I can't remember if I replied to this already. Before you even said this, I'm pretty sure, I said you're a player who can still hide being scum under the guise of trying to change up your playstyle because of the last game. All to help the town.

But your actions have been purely out of self-preservation and pushing this today.

 

 

 

You can say that about anyone - that's the whole point of the game. And I fail to see how my self-preservation is a minus here. I'm protecting myself - town - against a player i see as scum. It's not any more complicated than that.

[DPR]

Bah - we're probably both f***ing town like last game and we're being led around by the nose by some cat that doesn't even drop a reason with his vote. I'm out till morning. 

[ed2funy]

No, it's there. It's just no the same level as ~5-8 years back when I played a crapload of games and had more time to post, mostly from my laptop.

You get an adult Eddie now. One who doesn't always have time to read at work, and certainly not when the thread is so long. So he posts quick lawl posts while trying to stay caught up, but falls behind and mostly reads, and yet still asks some questions and pokes lightly.

[ed2funy]

 

 

 

 

 

If we go by mod-confined roles and actions, we can get a more accurate picture and we don't need to spec. Things are already a mess - why make them worse? That's why I said ed knows I'm town - which he does - because I'm usually all over the spec and I'm making a serious effort to not do the after last game.

I'm not sure what this has to do with your alignment.

 

Why in your opinion should this constitute hard evidence from Ed's POV that you are a villager?

I can't remember if I replied to this already. Before you even said this, I'm pretty sure, I said you're a player who can still hide being scum under the guise of trying to change up your playstyle because of the last game. All to help the town.

But your actions have been purely out of self-preservation and pushing this today.

 

 

You can say that about anyone - that's the whole point of the game. And I fail to see how my self-preservation is a minus here. I'm protecting myself - town - against a player i see as scum. It's not any more complicated than that.

I mean, agreed. Buts its *how* you're doing it. And most players can't do that.

[ed2funy]

Bah - we're probably both f***ing town like last game and we're being led around by the nose by some cat that doesn't even drop a reason with his vote. I'm out till morning.

So I just tinfoiled this earlier, briefly mentioning it. Didn't you laugh at it?

[Cory Caboose]

nah

[Shad_]

 

 

You got nothing on your claim. No proof at all. Which is why you did it.

 

if I was Doc, I wouldn't counter right now.

You keep saying this. It sounds game-throwing crazy to me but I'll ask: why?

 

 

 

He soft-claimed and investigative role last night. And that was during the night, which is crazy...

 

He claimed Doc today after the flips - he knows the Cop is gone.

 

That leaves the Doc as the likely most powerful role the town has left. 

 

A fake reveal that prompts a cc gives the scum team the ability to take that role out.

 

That's not a terrible trade if your neck is on the line and Darthe has been high on the suspect list all game.

 

Seriously, if it was anyone but Darthe... and he hadn't stoked SK talk... or soft claimed Cop...

 

That's the part that's fuzzing my radar - it's okay now to play scummy. You can vote without presenting reasons, soft claim at night and change that up the next day, admit that you'd rather vote for a person even if you knew another was scum... it gets confusing.

 

And when it gets confusing, the town tends to lose.  

 

 

That's a reasonable explanation for not trusting Darthe and if I hadn't seen him pull that sort of stunt as both alignments before I'd be more suspicious of it myself (though I never caught the cop softing at night, he did it during D3 so I'll assume this really happened, might check later but /shrug)

 

But fear of outing a hidden real doc seems out of touch with the current state of the game, no?

[Shad_]

I understand the wait-and-see logic regarding the SK. My MO is to speculate on game setup, but that did not go over well last game, or the game before as it's only been heard as wifom, so I'm intentionally avoiding it. Even though I really, really want to talk about it... but I digress.

I'm avoiding setup spec because A.) we just lost last game because of it and the fighting, and B.) what's the point? We got mafia and we got town. Lynch the people playing like scum. Keep it simple.

Yeah you're a wolf.

[Shad_]

As someone who obsessively speculates on set-ups I know that I can't just will away the desire.

 

I can make a conscious decision to try not to do it, but you moved from it's your favorite thing to do to "who cares?" in a single game. Bzzzzzzzzzzz try again.

[Shad_]

Yeah lol that feels like a legit "gotcha" moment go me.

[Shad_]

Those moments usually end in despair but I don't care reapin' the feels while they last bro

[Shad_]

 

#2680 DPR justifies lynching Darthe on the grounds that there's probably a real doc who just doesn't want to claim today (not himself, already claimed VT), but he's more than willing to lock in Tig for peeking town in a game where 2/4 scum have peek immunity.

 

:???:

 

 

Misleading. I never "lock in" anyone until they flip. 

 

I have read Tigs as null the entire game - I don't do town reads - and i explained to Killa that Sooh's comment did help to cement that view for me.

 

This is the 2nd time you've misrepresented what I've said.

 

I posted my reads from earlier for the sake of putting it on record.

 

I'm updating in blue:

 

Darthe - I have to do the opposite of what everyone else does and try to forget all of my previous notions so that I can see this game. The hardest part is trying to get that horrible Coroner reveal out of my brain... but it's not easy. But, when I just look at this game, I see a careful Darthe. A more measured and less spastic Darthe. I can't give this a null - it's not that - but I can give him credit for not obliterating my radar with antics. So that's an improvement.

 

He's been hinting at SK since yesterday - he called me SK after a post, I'd have to find it. He popcorned a role last night, which is a huge alarm - why do that at night? Shad accused me and ed of slanking, but never mentions Darthe who has actually (in addition to ed) slanked. And he's like Cory's shadow looking for approval. The only thing he has going in his favor is no cc on his claim, but with the Cop and 1xDoc abilities gone, I can absolutely see a Doc not wanting to reveal as they are the last pr the town has.

 

Tigs - I see her posts and can see where she's coming from. There needs to be more game content for sure to get a read, but so far she's null for me.

 

No change. Sooh all but confirmed her.

We can split hairs about degrees all you want, but the disparity between your stances on Tig and Darthe are clear. She's "all but confirmed" despite GF and SK being immune. No one countering Darthe's claim is dismissible. Your comeback is to accuse me of misrepping you because I said "locked in" in place of "all but confirmed"?

[Shad_]

 

If he's town I think it will feel like when I lynched Crush in Overwatch

I hope your heart was heavy, because you Lynch me, I'm going to flip VT and you'll cry. And if you don't forward that vote to 7 people, you'll wake up in the middle of the night with me hovering over you.

 

He kept talking about all the work he'd been doing while doing almost nothing and kept contradicting his reads in blatant ways, plus misremembered his own night action and inadvertently claimed he'd roleblocked someone he'd been town reading at the time. Adamantly stuck to the inaccurate claim when questioned.

 

<3 Crush but I swear he ate a laced burrito in that game.

 

Top 5 wtf flips in my Mafia career.

 

You flipping town wouldn't be that bad, I think I just picked up on some similarities in your post styles under pressure.

[Shad_]

ok I've read everything

[Tigraine]

Shad, in response to your post asking if you were losing your mind....

 

Ed and I were just part of a mafia game of Facebook. This game and that one are the first mafia games I have played in years. The last game I played, pretty sure Eddie was in it but again, that was years ago.

 

The one on Facebook is slighlty harder in that it's an even game of newbies and vets and you can't quote like here, much slower because the newbies don't know what to say or do.

 

His play style there was just taking every situation and joking about it in every scenario possible so the newbies realized exactly how complex mafia can actually be. I don't think he made a serious post in the whole damn game but we were both kinda just having fun with it so I can't make a useful remark on his playing style aside from the half assed thing he just played in.

[Shad_]

aaaaaaaaaaah didn't realize there was a second game, no problem

[Killashandra]

Killa if you wanna go DPR you have my sword

 

 

I am leaning that way. Nothing he posts seems to add up to anything at all. Maybe I just don't get him but maybe he doesn't make sense because he is not on our side.

 

Lets hold off on dropping that sword of Damocles for a little longer though. We have time. I wanna see what Tress has to say and Tig too.

[Killashandra]

I am going to make some late night coffee do a little digging and I will report back about 12 my time. 

 

(I drink coffee all day and half the night and have no issue sleeping after)

 

I also have a few photos to edit for a friend tonight.