[Advanced] Fight Club Mafia! - Game Thread!

seph · March 21, 2017

Cuth, on 19 Mar 2017 - 08:25 AM, said:

hm

in a game like this the scums are not going to hang off the top wagons

they're going to be on ones like ours and maybe Tress if they can get away with it

por eso and for other reasons we get down to, like

darthe/sooh/seph

that's my revised scum poe, though i'd definitely lynch seph over sooh

seph... was blatantly towny last game, i thought

this game he comes in, just blanket townreads half of the game without ever saying why, and then is inconsistent in talking about who his suspects are and why

he has pretty high equity at this point

In light of soohs death this post intrigues me. And actually fits more into his scum game.

Do tell. I'm legitimately curious to see why this post "intrigues you" and "fits more into my scum game".

Cuth, on 19 Mar 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

oh and yeah i'm not 100% on Darthe obviously, though i still think there's a very good chance there

have been purposefully exaggerating

oh right seph was also pushing the dpr/me agenda ever since he got back

which while it could be town there's also the problematic bit that he's pushing two towns (assuming DPR is, which i'm pretty convinced of)

So he isn't near 100% on his darthe read but is now in turn reading me/sooh/dpr based on his darthe read. I don't understand how town comes at a game like this. The other issue I have is during the fight he likes that dpr and him are on the same train of thought, however all dpr is doing is literally sheeping cuth, and has maybe came up with maybe 1 originally idea on darthe.

I would agree with cuth if it was like wild west where me and him were both in the thread posting in unison with the same ideas, but like I said it just seeping and I think cuth looks worse here for it.

Vote: cuth

Vote: darthe for now

what do you mean i'm not near 100%

once again, tell me where I said I was "not near 100%"

or aanything along that line

and once again, yes, even if DPR were sheeping me, which he's fairly clearly not because he voted Sooh before I mentioned her as one of my candidates iirc, he's voting for scum

soooooo yeah

and i was meaning on darthe. his points on sooh was terrible. he basically said he voted her for being productive lol

here you go frand

oh and yeah i'm not 100% on Darthe obviously, though i still think there's a very good chance there

have been purposefully exaggerating

oh right seph was also pushing the dpr/me agenda ever since he got back

which while it could be town there's also the problematic bit that he's pushing two towns (assuming DPR is, which i'm pretty convinced of)

seph · March 21, 2017

he is the lower end of my list and isn't really playing, besides that there has been a dec amount of discussion revolving around him. if im goiing to have 2 people fight him and cuth will provide the most info. tbh i wouldn't mind fighting cuth either though.

im not sure if any other fights make sense? maybe iron/cuth iron i believe said he thought cuth was towny after the fiight, and not much about dpr i remember if anything. and was voting cuth when the phase ended. i think it looks bad regardless, but more so if cuth is town.

would you be willing to fight darthe?

sure, I would rather not put myself in a situation to be the lynch but ill fight anyone! momma didn't raise no wussy.

my fight with darthe would be me saying how non existant his town game has been. his terrible eod, and him just ocmming back into the thread mainly defending himself. as town he would more than likely blow it off and continue his reads and rampage. that or most likely start 1.

Then you all would have to listen to me for 18 hours talk by myself, and i would make you pay for it with 1000 gifs

seph · March 21, 2017

Dpr is my highest suspect for scum. His play has been so shady, like his pop in vote 10 mons ago and dissapears.

I really think this thread has been super towny and tbh I would only vote probably 4 people.

OK Cuth

1. His play this game is by far one of the most scummy. This has been a towny game I'm and he has put in 0 effort to solve it, with lackluster reasons for his votes, which he has 0 progression on.

2. I never said I don't see his play not Coming from a town perspective, I said it to you earlier.

3. My vote isn't based on this game compared to that 3p game. I am staying it is entirely different though.

4. You can see how hard he tried to solve it, there is a big difference and makes me think I am right though.

5. When he does post there is nothing actually helping us solve this game

i'm not saying you said you couldn't see his play coming from a town perspective

i am asking you

right here

and right now

whether you think not solving is >rand scum

Yes I think putting no effort (not just solving) is indeed. Especially in a game like this where I feel confident or at least good about most people.

Sooh

WiFi

Dice

Ed

Bfg (though I disliked her recent interaction with Cuth a bit)

Iron

Tress

Darth

Hallie

Crusher

Cuth

Dpr

IA pretty much how I feel atm

these things do not line up with each other

and there was no progression in the middle, basically just me grilling him on why he felt so strongly, apparently, about dpr

he said several times that the whole game was very towny, but his readslist doesn't match up with that and his statements he made around EoD conflict on several levels

@seph, you had nothing to say about this post?

your reads around EoD

they do not logically make sense with what you posted

I actually posted something about this. I don't think i quoted this post but i rambled on about if off a different quote somewhere

seph · March 21, 2017

there is one post that i do actually like from cuth and i dont know if he would make as mafia, but im just so bothered by the rest of the game.

where i am re darthe/cuth.

darthe did not have anything to really go off of and cuth makes a huge statement how he is scum and follows with a light case. I understand if this was to interact with darthe, but alas darthe never showed and the case never took off, nor had much merit in my eyes tbh at the time. I think the case grew stronger only at eod and after d1 imo.

If cuth is town He focused 90% of the game d1 on darthe, and even his fight. what bothers me was the attempt to interact, engage and solve the rest of the game. If he does feel this strongly about his scum reads I can see this part of his d1. I just get confused when it comes to dpr. I get not wanting to vote him, but not even attempting resolve his slot, even in the fight there is no hesitation whatsoever in trusting him.

I trust dice bfg and ed but if in a fight with them im going to try and come out alive imo. tbh no lynch wouldnt even had been a idea. and as no 1 has owned up to the no lynch question i would assume it would have been mafia over town. as town what do you have to lose clarifying you were the one curious?

If cuth is scum- pushing a townie this hard is obviously going to be backlash instantly, and from his last game i don't see him changing his strategy this much tbh.

If he is scum- I could see him pushin a darthe teammate that wasn't there, or if it was the plan thoughn, i think this one is about on the 10-20 % and wouldn't give much thought to it until later on but the way he went about his darthe push seems odd, and reads odd coming from a townie.

before his last posts I was thinking maybe me and cuth just arn't seeing eye to eye. I have been in a situation where I thought something would not come from a towny (just because i believe that or it is not towny doesn't make it true because townys do crazy crap sometimes) and i almost saved the godfather in that situation aka clov... bad clov....

anyways things just arnt adding up for me with cuths spot even more so recently, but it might be best to see what darth flips and go from there to get info. im really hung up on what to do atm but hopefully i can keep getting interaction with him until dl.

going to a movie then bed. peace

Cuth · March 21, 2017

ok i like that last post a lot

i'm fine with you for now

unvote seph

also of note, darthe also voted DPR and myself last second, pushing over tress

i'm assuming this was not a joke vote, and made me feel even better about DPR

Songstress · March 21, 2017

he is engaging the thread, hes showing his thinking, basically he is working. plus his thinking isnt 100% correct its a little messy u know? doesnt seem crafted

I definitely get what you are saying here, it's a bit of what I was thinking tail end of D1 when I said his posts felt genuine to me.

He's kind of tied up in this knot in my head with Cuth and Darthe, and I think one of the three is pretty likely to be scum but I am completely wavering on which.

I think a Cuth/Darthe thunderdome might be interesting at this point.

Clovdyx · March 21, 2017

Vote count!

Darthe - 3 - Cuth, DreadPirateRoberts, Seph
Seph - 3 - DreadPirateRoberts, Ed2funy, BFG
Songstress - 1 - Ed2funy
Cuth - 1 - Seph

Day Two nomination phase ends at 11pm Eastern

Songstress · March 21, 2017

Work about to get busy and I can't guarantee I will be back before deadline

[v]Cuth [/v]

[v]Darthe[/v]

I'd like to see them duke it out.

Songstress · March 21, 2017

oh wait, deadline later than I thought... cool.

I probably will have some down time before DL after all. Will be back when I get through the big push of work for the day.

dicetosser1 · March 21, 2017

he is engaging the thread, hes showing his thinking, basically he is working. plus his thinking isnt 100% correct its a little messy u know? doesnt seem crafted

how is that

what

are you saying you think scum's thinking, particularly seph's scum thinking, who is a fairly open and posty and talkative player in any regard, would... not... be... as messy?

Im saying that scumseph isnt this messy in his thinking. i think hes more careful as scum.

he is engaging the thread, hes showing his thinking, basically he is working. plus his thinking isnt 100% correct its a little messy u know? doesnt seem crafted

I definitely get what you are saying here, it's a bit of what I was thinking tail end of D1 when I said his posts felt genuine to me.

He's kind of tied up in this knot in my head with Cuth and Darthe, and I think one of the three is pretty likely to be scum but I am completely wavering on which.

I think a Cuth/Darthe thunderdome might be interesting at this point.

ive been thinking that too. Ive got Seph as town so i dont want him in there.

vote Darthe and Cuth

Cuth · March 21, 2017

Vote count!

Darthe - 3 - Cuth, DreadPirateRoberts, Seph

Seph - 3 - DreadPirateRoberts, Ed2funy, BFG

Songstress - 1 - Ed2funy

Cuth - 1 - Seph

Day Two nomination phase ends at 11pm Eastern

are there no wolves in this VC?

ed2funy · March 21, 2017

Ahhh, just read up and getting back to Tress's reply now.
Papa had some whiskey last night (read: lots of it)

BFG · March 21, 2017

Evening all <3

Clovdyx · March 21, 2017

Vote count!

Darthe - 5 - Cuth, DreadPirateRoberts, Seph, Songstress, Dicetosser1
Seph - 3 - DreadPirateRoberts, Ed2funy, BFG
Songstress - 1 - Ed2funy
Cuth - 3 - Seph, Songstress, Dicetosser1

Day Two nomination phase ends at 11pm Eastern

Cuth · March 21, 2017

Evening all <3

heyo bfg

BFG · March 21, 2017

darthe/dpr wouldn't be bad. but i have dpr a little higher than yesterday, if only slighty.

bfg didnt you town read crush for somehting? if you did can you tell me why because i dont remember any of his posts.

Crushers another null :/

I think he was the first to say anything about Sooh when he voted her over the 'like to read Ed town' thing, other than that I don't recall much

BFG · March 21, 2017

BFG <3

Wildfire Sedai

Dicetosser1

Ed2funy

Ironeyes- someone i keep going back and fourth on as i read them ><

Songstress- null to slight town

DreadPirateRoberts-null

Crusher-null

Hallia- hallia lack of posting is more scum sided and have to move her here atm

Darthe

Cuth

wouldnt this game be funny if the mafia was in hallia, crush, darthe, iron lol.

Why is WiFi so high?

Ironeyes · March 21, 2017

This is weird. I just moved Cuth out of my scum pile but I find Seph townier than him still. Not sure how to vote here. I'm going to put it off a little longer to see if anyone else has something to say

dicetosser1 · March 21, 2017

so just went looking at sooh

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100289-advanced-fight-club-mafia-game-thread/?view=findpost&p=3768383

a little sus of seph here but only cause he knows himself.

Likes DPR for town

Cuth not quite so much cause of a lack of spew

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100289-advanced-fight-club-mafia-game-thread/?view=findpost&p=3767638

voted DPR and Tress

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100289-advanced-fight-club-mafia-game-thread/?view=findpost&p=3767626

wasnt ready to lean any way on darthe here

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100289-advanced-fight-club-mafia-game-thread/?view=findpost&p=3767600

mild town but would be flat out town if she knew him on ed here

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100289-advanced-fight-club-mafia-game-thread/?view=findpost&p=3767694

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100289-advanced-fight-club-mafia-game-thread/?view=findpost&p=3767691

these two seem to be why she voted DPR and tress. had expectations of tress htta were not met didnt know what to expect of DPR. DPR is because iho he had been here and done nothing

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100289-advanced-fight-club-mafia-game-thread/?view=findpost&p=3767651

pretty firm on not lynching ed here

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100289-advanced-fight-club-mafia-game-thread/?view=findpost&p=3768066

reads list after N1 i think from context

BFG · March 21, 2017

However active Hallia normally is, she's being just about as active this game as she was in Wild West.

Is that your recollection? I just checked her ISO in that game, and there is a major difference.

Granted, there was quite a bit more content in the first 24 hours of the game for her to comment on, but she had a heck of a lot more game related posts within 24 hours of that game's start than she has here into D2.

Completely agree with this, possibly also worth noting that she's struggling more to keep up here even though this game should be easier to keep up with, less players and far less posting. I know Hallia can be absent as town and active as mafia, but the last game I played where she completely disappeared she was scum :unsure:

ed2funy · March 21, 2017

Ok, Ed.

In this game, they are the same person.

I'll have to remember that. Lol

Seems like she's coming in with the ummm to make her question come from place of absolute uncertainty. But the rest is... over the top.

When combined with that second post, acting all innocent about how she was so confused how the game got to the point of seriously discussing her reaction when she was one of the firsts to do so, quite emphatically, well it looks like she was trying to lay some crumbs for people to pick up on while distancing herself by playing the uncertain innocent. *nods*

Tress on the outside:

Tress on the inside:

I wasn't questioning how the game got to the point of seriously discussing WiFi's reaction. I know very well I pretty much started the discussion of her reaction. I was baffled because she went from cheery rambling about her love for Eeyore to suddenly this:

and I know how that looks all of a sudden but its the truth. I tend to get vote shy in beginning of the game for some reason. When that's the last place I should be vote shy.

And then it's all about how nervous she gets when someone votes her. It was a ridiculously defensive reaction, and as there had been absolutely zero game related content to that point, it was something to discuss.

And then I remembered it's WiFi and trying to apply the usual scum tells to her play is a fool's errand. WiFi is a "watch and see" read for me.

As for the rest of the case, I can't figure out what you find suspicious about the fact that I didn't respond further to BFG's comment that my statement read oddly to her. I can't control how she reads my posts, and she didn't ask me any further questions about it.

I believe I have sufficiently explained how terrible I felt over the weekend. I'm not sure why you have a problem with the fact that I didn't explain reasoning behind my fuzzy vague "feel ok with" reads. To be honest it's amazing I had anything resembling reads at all with how poorly my brain was working. I generally don't explain everything I say in great detail. Why is it suspicious to you? Did you consider asking me to give detail? No?

What makes me really curious is the fact that it appears you find me and Seph the most suspicious, but you didn't comment on this one:

Seph feels pretty genuine to me right now.

And my utterly lame attempt to follow it up:

Seph feels pretty genuine to me right now.
in what way?

In the way that I thought that he sounded like he was posting what he was thinking without too much agenda.

And I am also feeling terrible and my opinion right now is probably completely useless, but BFG said anything would be helpful? So maybe she was wrong?

I mean, I know I was genuinely trying to contribute while sick and saying whatever came to mind (and then when asked unable to remember why I thought it in the first place), but I expect if you honestly thought Seph and I were scummates you'd pick right up on that.

Unfortunately I was a lazy jerk last night, and got summoned by my neighbor to walk with her tonight so I didn't have time to do as much work as I'd like. I will vote this day phase, though, just need to sort through the bottom half of my list. Some short ISOs are necessary. Not interested in voting BFG, Dice, Cuth, DPR, possibly Crusher. The rest I'll need to look at more closely.

Ok, I think I fixed your quoting the way it was supposed to be, Tress. Lemme know if not.

So, BFG asked her about what she mean about being vote shy before you asked what on earth prompted it. She replied to BFG and then she saw your post so she quoted everything together to show her response to BFG fit to your question as well. Five minutes later is when you say you're confused how we got to that point. Yet... she had given some explanation that you had ignored or not seen. Your quote below the link to her post was the next post and you still hadn't acknowledged her explanation.

Wifi's Post #95

*giggles*

-----

I wasn't questioning how the game got to the point of seriously discussing WiFi's reaction. I know very well I pretty much started the discussion of her reaction. I was baffled because she went from cheery rambling about her love for Eeyore to suddenly this:

...

And then it's all about how nervous she gets when someone votes her. It was a ridiculously defensive reaction, and as there had been absolutely zero game related content to that point, it was something to discuss.

Now, this is a snippet of those two lines from your above quote (all bold mine/my emphasis). Directly contradicting yourself here. It wasn't about her reaction to it was a very defensive reaction and something to talk about. lol wut

That's what I see as scummy, you seemed to be trying to set it up for others to latch onto and carry forward without you doing the leg work, and now your explanation doesn't quite make sense.

----

As for the BFG thing, you ignoring her question about such odd posts, hand in hand about how I feel about them, seems like you realized it didn't quite take and just let it be swept under a rug of ignoring. You can't say it's something to discuss (the only thing to discuss at that point?) and then NOT want to discuss it... Her reaction and others' reactions to it would have prompted good ground to work on, I think.

----

As for why I didn't ask for further detail at the time, because my next post wasn't until my drunken post during the Fight. You in fact, as you so duly noted, made some posts and interacted with Cuth. That was before the fight. And on page 20.

I indicated I was barely on page 16 on that reread...

Only about Page 16 just before all of the Day-is-about-to-end voting frenzy. Some notes/casing for now...

Song Case

I never got to that interaction, so I didn't have an opinion on it. I'll go read it now and let you know my thoughts in more details, but scum can and do try and bolster their teammates as genuine or town often to try to push that view onto others. :smile:

DPR · March 21, 2017

seph, on 18 Mar 2017 - 6:40 PM, said:

Talk to me about dpr cuth. Why do you have him as town?
mmmmostly because who's voting him and who he's voting :P

This makes 0 sense from a town perspective on day 1 where we are making our own info and nothing concrete.

Please expand a bit on this for me to understand.

Dr voted Darth because he hasn't came back into the thread and has made 0 posts or progression there. How besides he is voting your suspect is that townie?

Your then adding him to town for being voted by your suspect who you have 0 knowledge about.

Cuth this doesn't make sense???

[unvote crusher]

[V] cuth [/v]

I still stand by this and I am more confused about this with posts he makes later. If they are not in this multi, I will post them after as my phone gets confusing.

no, incorrect

the top two scums i had at that point were voting him and being voted by him

it's d1, yes, but i'm not going to sit around, twiddle my thumbs, and avoid making reads until people die

in this case, i am, and was, quite confident in feeling Darthe as scum

as such, him voting and being voted by DPR, added to the fact that there was a wagon on DPR in the first place, based on nothing solid, added to the fact that DPR was voting and being voted by Sooh as well

all of this = town, at least for d1

it would be completely idiotic for me to lynch someone who's being scumread by and voting my top two suspects, and it does heavily lead me to believe that he's town, particularly given the subpar reasons for voting him in the first place

Cuth, on 18 Mar 2017 - 7:42 PM, said:

1. I updated my list while reading

2.scum will always try and do so, but I'm viewing dpr as having trouble posting in the thread. Not just lack of game solve.

3. You are right it's not a viable scum tell. But that with his random votes with lackluster reasons. Which the tone doesn't seem natural on bug the cap out of me and I won't get over it.

Town player who isn't going to help is going to be lynched eventually regardless. I'm this game I have 0 idea if he is scum but he is by fr no where near my town list and deserves to be the lynch over sooh/WiFi some people are votinf

coughcoughdarthe

OK good I did have at least 1 in here. So he apparently is voting darthe and town reading dpr for the same thing, he isn't denying dpr as doing this but just says but yea darthe is doing it as well. I'm not sure how this works cuth, and yes I know there is more to your darthe case than just that, but your using something to vote 1 person your town reading another for. In light darthe d1 wasn't as bad as dpr's besides his eod probably

sorry if this post didn't come across clearly, but my point was not that darthe was scummy for the same reasons, which he wasn't and I was never trying to intimate, but rather that given how strongly you felt about DPR being "scummy" and voting him and discussing him a ton you were still saying "I have 0 idea if he's scum" and "weirds me out" and "deserves to be the lynch over some other people"

like those are legitimately not reasons to vote for people

and you should not vote for people just on that

the coughcoughdarthe was suggesting that given your seeming lack of actual belief that DPR could be scum that you might perhaps vote Darthe instead

ok so #1 darthes vote was a joke. your taking his joke vote and applying this to a read. so yes it makes 0 sense dude.

How do you feel now that sooh was the nightkill? I am just confused on how you are not trying to resolve dpr, but blindly town read him from that joke vote. darthe had no real substance besides 1 townread? until his later terrible eod?

literally from what your telling me in a nutshell. you town read dpr from a joke vote, and from sooh who was probably the most towny in the damn thread and was the nk?

So your saying if i felt 100% sure dpr is scum you would feel better lol?

Talk about pushing a narrative...

No one can really feel one way or the other about Sooh because we have no info, now do we?

Could've been a 3P kill. Could've been a punishment to the scum team for the day ending without a lynch.

One question I see that nobody is discussing is "why would the scum team waste a janitor role on D1?" Janitor roles are typically 1x as multi-x really throws the game balance. It's possible to overcome - sure - but it would require a lot of power on the town's side.

DPR · March 21, 2017

Let's think twice about putting Cuth into the ring tonight. Chances are high that either he or I was investigated last night.

Chances are slightly lower that Darthe was, but I feel like a fight between him and Seph will be productive and informative.

DPR · March 21, 2017

he is engaging the thread, hes showing his thinking, basically he is working. plus his thinking isnt 100% correct its a little messy u know? doesnt seem crafted

I definitely get what you are saying here, it's a bit of what I was thinking tail end of D1 when I said his posts felt genuine to me.

He's kind of tied up in this knot in my head with Cuth and Darthe, and I think one of the three is pretty likely to be scum but I am completely wavering on which.

I think a Cuth/Darthe thunderdome might be interesting at this point.

Don't like this at all.

I don't like the logic from Dice and I don't like Tress tagging along with it.

DPR · March 21, 2017

Hally or Crush are prime picks to be the sleeper.

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