[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[MrsClov]

Hally eldrick cass? Idk, we are a bit lacking on big names this game in the mew player sense. Old player sense its you me crush and dice, maybe hally too.

 

I'd really like to see Cass's thoughts. She's someone Liz and I are really unsure of at the moment. 

[DPR]

 

 

Or we're town and people started to realize that based on the way our train was developing and not Bob didn't give any one a reason to believe he was town.

 

 

I don't see it that way, but that's just me. Time will tell.

 

 

Clearly you don't, that's why we're having this discussion.

 

 

 

This is a superfluous response. You a "last word" kind of player?

[MrsClov]

 

 

 

Or we're town and people started to realize that based on the way our train was developing and not Bob didn't give any one a reason to believe he was town.

 

 

I don't see it that way, but that's just me. Time will tell.

 

 

Clearly you don't, that's why we're having this discussion.

 

 

 

This is a superfluous response. You a "last word" kind of player?

 

No,  just easily frustrated by overly stubborn people.

[The Crusher]

Only couple minutes to sit and Im not caught up. Last thing I read was DPR's twilight case on Seph.  The whole thing was very well written but he certainly took some creative license with it. The thing that stood out was DPR's account of Sephs reaction to the end of the Jetscode train. I 100% agree Seph was ready to try and implicate DPR and myself regardless of what we did. He even jump the gun before looking at it fully to accuse me of something I didn't do. I called him on it and he blamed it on lack of sleep. I accepted it but feeling worse about it now. He still has me in his top 3 and I feel I explained myself very well at all points.   Seems Seph wants to fit me into the scum box regardless of what is in the thread. I have to read more but Seph is tilting scum for me now.

 

I have to finish reading to update my reads.

[The Crusher]

@ Darthe:

 

Who are the popular kids in this group? 

Me, you and Boo Boo

[The Crusher]

Okay, so here are some thoughts that I started on last night and added to this morning.

 

I was trying to find that wagon analysis that Seph posted earlier  - I'm almost certain that seph posted this - starting back from when he, cuth, and eldrick dropped off our train and other people started suddenly piling on.

 

As I was lying in bed not able to sleep because I was thinking about mafia this morning, I was pondering this. And it made me take back my town read on DPR.

 

Because, imagine this. Say you're the members of the scum team. You've basically been coasting all game day because most of the focus has been on one main slot (me/mrsclov of course) and you've got a handy backup lynch on the side (Eldrick) in case the first wagon goes sideways at some point.

 

Town is doing a good job for you of keeping your focus there. All you have to do is keep on repeating how scummy that first wagon is, because that's pretty much the consensus in the crowd. And if you keep repeating the same things and ignoring the clarifications that you're given, you can keep that wagon on it's heels all game and say "see? they're not doing anything but defending themselves. total self-serving scum" (because town would never defend itself against a mislynch, of course ::P)

 

But hey wait a minute. These town patsies who were leading the wagon are actually starting to explore things with the easy lynchbait. Now they're starting to have doubts and actually consider other options. That easy lynch is no longer looking so easy, and your first and backup wagon are supporting each other, even though you were hoping to set them at each other's throats....people will stop being distracted and start looking elsewhere. Not good!

 

So what do you do? You push the attention back onto the distraction. You keep repeating the same mantras from earlier in the thread and ignore any progression in teh discussion since then. When you get called out on that, you just keep repeating that Miss Kizzy Clov is for certain scum and all their explanations/questions are bad and just shouldn't be listened to. Keep repeating it in hopes that people will keep the focus there, Miss Kizzy Clov will keep focusing on defending themselves, and no one bothers to look elsewhere.

 

So who was really invested in keeping the attention on MrsClov/me after Cuth, Seph, and Eldrick unvoted us and started to shift the conversation elsewhere?

 

Darthe is already a given. Notbob as well. But also look at what Crusher and DPR were doing at that point in the thread onwards. Tinker is always going to be floating in this pool for me because he basically did nothign but vote us and then try to undermine Seph's attempts to explore other options that weren't us/eldrick after the wagon on NotBob started building.

 

here are some of my observations:

 

From Darthe - remember to track his read on NotBob http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756157

I don’t like this post from Crusher. Especially “I’m trying to convince myself it’s because he’s not reading)”. Wagon on us is declining, wagon on notbob is building: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756165

All of a sudden DPR is cooperative: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756174

Darthe switches over to NotBob after DPR does - it’s like they’ve decided to give up in their scum QT: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756177

Kronos’s explanation feels the most natural:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756196

Seph’s post flip reads list: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756263

Why did darthe move his vote to notbob if he thought we were scum too? Why not keep it a tie between scum?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756264

Good obs by seph re: DPR’s response to crusher

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756265

Darthe tries to redirect attention from him and crusher to eldrick when talking to seph:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756286

 

How does darthe know crusher’s alignment?:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756286

 

 

Dice before the flip will only vote us or Eldrick

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756121

But then refuses to consider seph’s plea to switch to eldrick saying he’s going to bed

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756129

DPR encouraging seph’s case on eldrick and pushing away from notbob (ignoring previous cases already made on notbob)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756141

Tinker also redirecting towards eldrick away from notbob

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756147

DPR wanting to lynch us for information - eldrick for information - not concerned about lynching for scum. Similar to previous statement I bolded where he basically said our alignment didn’t matter to him http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756153

Maybe he’s just being helpful...but maybe this is the point at which the scum team really starts worrying about the shift in wagons and they know they have to make a decision soon

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756155

Also notice that DPR backed off telling me how terrible I am after I started reading him as town?

 

 

I've already stated other observations in the thread regarding Crusher, so take those into consideration as well.

 

You have a very odd way of trying to tell people what they should think. You accused me of only once trying to find your alignment out by questioning. Yet, most of this is nothing more than you trying to steer everyone away from Clovis and onto those suspecting you.  How does this help find out people alignments? More like a sales pitch.

 

Also you would 100% be an informative lynch. I do not like linking players early but if Clovis and Seph are not of the same alignment I would be shocked, Pushing very similar agenda. Does anyone know these players better than I do? Not at all basically. 

[Eldrick4221]

 

Lot of people look bad in this mess.

 

Darthe, DPR, Crusher, kronos ...I know there more but I can't think of them right now.

 

Here's hoping we have at least 2 scum in that group.

Eldrick kronos to end the game is possible.

two or three wolves left?

 

two or three wolves left?

Prob 3. Did you get a good sleep last night?

Or 2 and a 3p

First post bugged me cuz 16 player game would imply 4 scum team, and he only listed 2 names. Felt like possible TMI.

 

His responses to Cuth's question further cemented that feeling.

 

[V]Darthe [/v]

[Kaylee]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Miss Kizzy Clov (1) - DPR

 

Tiink (1) - Cuth

 

DPR (1) - Seph

 

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

 

Not Voting: Cass, Kronos, Darthe, WiFi, Hallia, Tiink, Dice, Spoof, Miss Kizzy Clov, Crusher

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to string 'em up!

 

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, 2/17/17 at 9AM MST

[Darthe]

 

 

Lot of people look bad in this mess.

 

Darthe, DPR, Crusher, kronos ...I know there more but I can't think of them right now.

 

Here's hoping we have at least 2 scum in that group.

Eldrick kronos to end the game is possible.

two or three wolves left?

 

two or three wolves left?

Prob 3. Did you get a good sleep last night?

Or 2 and a 3p

First post bugged me cuz 16 player game would imply 4 scum team, and he only listed 2 names. Felt like possible TMI.

 

His responses to Cuth's question further cemented that feeling.

 

[V]Darthe [/v]

Im taking bets on how long takes eldrick to decide that this was a stupid post.

[Hallia]

Not all the way caught up but I have to leave for work soon; will continue when I get home

[DPR]

Quiet group today.

[Darthe]

We dont need to talk man, just votes.

[Darthe]

 

Hally eldrick cass? Idk, we are a bit lacking on big names this game in the mew player sense. Old player sense its you me crush and dice, maybe hally too.

I'd really like to see Cass's thoughts. She's someone Liz and I are really unsure of at the moment.

Given my knowledge on who you are"sure" about this doesn't give me hope.

[Darthe]

[V] wbk [/v]

[Kaylee]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Miss Kizzy Clov (1) - DPR

 

Tiink (1) - Cuth

 

DPR (1) - Seph

 

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

 

Kronos (1) - Darthe

 

Not Voting: Cass, Kronos, WiFi, Hallia, Tiink, Dice, Spoof, Miss Kizzy Clov, Crusher

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to string 'em up!

 

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, 2/17/17 at 9AM MST

[dicetosser1]

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

What the??

 

red   what you dont KNOW when u had to make the choice? and i note that you posted this DURING NIGHT ONE. So what last night?

 

blue  so you have a non town ability? Why should we not kill you with fire?

 

Did you actually get an answer from the mods?cause reading that it seems like you didnt

 

 

The sheriff was awakened at three AM by a hammering on his front door and frantic voices yammering outside his window.  He struggled into his robe, grumbling all the while.  It wouldn't do to fling open the door in his altogether, but he was tempted to give whoever had the audacity to disturb him at this hour a good long look at the full moon. 

 

He settled for giving them a piece of his mind, instead.  "If I'd wanted to be up at the arse-crack of dawn, I'd still be a rancher!  What do you mean waking the neighborhood at this hour?"

 

The rabble - constituents, he reminded himself, they voted for me - on his doorstep included a pair of saloon girls clinging to the arms of ranch hands who looked a bit the worse for spending the evening playing poker and tossing back the local rotgut.  Also, there was a pirate.  How very odd.  He shook his head to clear the cobwebs as a pretty little blonde began to explain.

 

"We were leaving the saloon - it was dreadfully late, and dark, so Jimmy here offered to walk me home, isn't he so very gallant?"  Here the girl paused to flutter her eyelashes at the drunken cowboy on her arm, who blushed ever so slightly.   "We had just passed the general store, when I positively tripped over something sticking out from the corner of the building, and I ripped my dress on a ragged board, see?"

 

The sheriff fought to keep his temper. "Yes, yes, I see, such a terrible board.  I shall go arrest it at once.  Is there anything else, ma'am?"

 

Her partner cleared his throat and took over the story from there. "You see, sir, what she tripped over was a boot."

 

"A boot."  The sheriff could feel his blood pressure rising.

 

"Yes sir," the cowboy continued. "It was attached to a body.  He was dead."

 

When the sheriff arrived at the scene, he discovered that at least was true.  The body was a she, although the drunken party could have been forgiven for the mistake considering her attire.

 

 

 

Calamity Sooh, vanilla town, has been killed.

 

========

 

IT IS NOW DAY 2.

 

My first thought on this was no info kill. So now im trying to work out who makes that kill.

 

 

 

 

Sephs working with kizzy cause theyve cleared themselves and he has similar reads dpr. It makes sense.

 

How does that explain all of the framing and slagging they pushed on you during the night? That ain't town. You got your Eldrick blinders on or are they just that bad at this game?

 

im literally done with you

 

I would like to activate my action gladiator with derp i mean dpr.

 

 

 

[v]darthe[/v]

 

Right so are you or are you not a gladiator. no ducking the question. Answer it.

 

 

Iz ded. GL town! <3

You was a good no info kill, mafia needs town to eat itself rn and they feel comfy going into day.

 

 

me and darthe myndmelding

 

 

 

Maybe not comfy, but they choose deliberately what led to the most equity for them in there eyes. Interesting kill.

so wolfy it hurts

 

 

Why is this wolfy?

 

 

IT DOES MATTER. I am putting myself in the shoes of notbob. why do i unvote, how would it help my team.

 

NO wolf would suicide and kill themselves when they could possibly get a townie lynched. notbob was pushing lizclov so if he indeed need to save her, why in the world would he help put her in that situation in the first place. good god

 

 

sigh  ure back to padawan status seph.

 

Ask the question the other way around. Why would a wolf unvote a townie when the townie is the lead train and has been all day long?

 

NB didnt really do much pushing on anyone  he wasnt here that much but you want a reason to do it?

 

Cause everyone else was. That way he doesnt stand out.

[Lizabeth]

 

I thought phase change was in 10 minutes...

 

 

Oh well.

 

Seph we'll vote darthe. You can vote tinker. I'm on my phone at work so it will have to wait for later

erm im voting darthe. I feel confident in my opinions I posted

 

 

But I wanted to vote Darthe :(

 

Okay, FINE! We'll vote tink (after I catch up).

 

I'm assuming you had the strategy in mind that I have in mind with darthe vs. tink?

[Lizabeth]

 

Oh yeah...Wild theory but...if MrsClov and I should happen to die tonight...still look at dpr. Think about the roles that might be in play.

 

OK lemme focus on work now!

 

Nice. Think about the roles that might be in play... It could be any role, really. What if it's a bad one? OMG, IT COULD BE ANYTHING! Imagine that.

 

Then came back to reality and look at what we have for evidence.

 

A great deal of effort was put in during D1 and N1 to protect the Kizzy slot. Specifically by Seph, Cuth and Eldrick.

 

That's what I'm thinking about.

 

Vote Kizzy

 

Heh, that was just in case we died. I have an active imagination.

 

But we didn't so the wifom was unnecessary. phew!

 

And I forgot about DMs action-driven night phase changes. Y'all do things different...

 

anyway, carrying on...

[Lizabeth]

 

I thought phase change was in 10 minutes...

 

 

Oh well.

 

Seph we'll vote darthe. You can vote tinker. I'm on my phone at work so it will have to wait for later

Thats not gonna work. Idgaf about your emotions, predisposition, or reads. Youre dropping the ball, so shape up and get some better leads.

 

Also, so me a favor and flesh out tink. Try to do it in a paragraph or less.

 

 

Darthe, dumpling, you already outed yourself. Unless you have some magical way of resolving the discrepancy between you saying that you had a change of heart on me/MrsClov that lead to you jumping on NB's lynch and what actually happened in the thread where you came in after the flip and declared us scum with notbob, you're confirmed scum. You didn't even stick around to keep up the feisty inyerfacegetonmylevel routine you'd been running for a while. You didn't even say goodnight.

 

But please. Come up with an explanation. It will be entertaining at the very least.

 

And trust me, I am fleshing out Tink. There's more than one way to skin a cat. But I'm interested in what you have on him in the meantime. 

 

Catch you in a few pages...

 

Oh, and your thoughts on DPR would be nice too.

[Lizabeth]

Iz ded. GL town! <3

Thanks for your help sooh <3

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

Oh yeah...Wild theory but...if MrsClov and I should happen to die tonight...still look at dpr. Think about the roles that might be in play.

 

OK lemme focus on work now!

 

Nice. Think about the roles that might be in play... It could be any role, really. What if it's a bad one? OMG, IT COULD BE ANYTHING! Imagine that.

 

Then came back to reality and look at what we have for evidence.

 

A great deal of effort was put in during D1 and N1 to protect the Kizzy slot. Specifically by Seph, Cuth and Eldrick.

 

That's what I'm thinking about.

 

Vote Kizzy

 

the fact you think kizzy the #1 train over the mafia we actually lynched is amusing. 

 

 

Perhaps in between bouts of amusement, you'd like to point out where my statement is not true.

 

The Kizzy train was in the lead and Kizzy was headed for a lynch.

 

Your vote on NB & NB's suicide vote on Eldrick brought the race to a tie.

 

Do tell us how that is wrong.

 

Besides the fact that Seph was part of the reason our train got so high in the first place?

 

and that notbob was one of the people who made sure that our train was revived after cuth, seph, and eldrick moved off our train?

 

You so funny, DPR

 

 

 

Try again.

[Lizabeth]

 

Folks, I don't know how to be more clear about this:

 

NB changed his vote to bring his own train up to even with Kizzy's.

 

NB was scum. He gave himself up for Kizzy.

 

Seph played a vital role in all of this by defending Kizzy and yolo voting for NB, despite his just having cased Eldrick.

 

It's a simple connection between NB - Kizzy - Seph.

 

Kizzy is obviously the nexus that had to be preserved.

 

This is all fact, carved in stone.

 

Why we are even talking about anything else is beyond me.

Dpr das wolfy

 

You gonna vote for him then?

[Lizabeth]

IT DOES MATTER. I am putting myself in the shoes of notbob. why do i unvote, how would it help my team.

 

NO wolf would suicide and kill themselves when they could possibly get a townie lynched. notbob was pushing lizclov so if he indeed need to save her, why in the world would he help put her in that situation in the first place. good god

Exactly. This is the point that DPR conveniently keeps missing.

[Lizabeth]

i think we can take a step back from the dpr darthe thing for a couple hours

 

one of them is pretty clearly town, just have to figure out which that is :)

 

unhelpful place to be locked in given there are other scums we can find as well and nobody's being super actively counterproductive

Meh, I'm not so sure.

 

Darthe is pretty definitely scum. He's not even trying to address the discrepancy I pointed out last night.

 

DPR may be just playing badly, but I don't think so. I think there's a reason he's sticking so hard to this tunnel. And I think that reason is distraction.

in any case, I'm only responding to him where it amuses me for today. I think we have to figure out the tinker slot, among others.

[Lizabeth]

And spoof...where is spoof? >.>