Jake Sykwalker
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17-to 19-year-olds aren't 'kids' in any jurisdiction anywhere on this planet.
I'm not sure where you get that. If a 19 year old gets involved with a 17 year old it won't be pretty for the 19 year old in legal terms. Not saying I agree or disagree, but 18 years old is a line drawn in many places and societies. That 100% does exist in many jurisdictions.
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Just wanted to give a shout out to the mods on the board. You have allowed the discussions to take place and taken part in them without overly censoring, or banning people. It is good to get discussions back and forth. This community is much better than many elsewhere online.
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I don't think Sanderson has had a dig at Bezos before.
Sanderson doesn't usually dig at anybody. He has actually declined several times to straight out criticize the show. You can tell from his podcasts that he would do things differently, but doesn't really throw shade at the show's staff. He was rolling his eyes a lot at the S1 finale, but lets be real it was awful by any standards even if was a generic show.
In this case I don't think he was digging at Bezos, but was explaining the environment. Having said that the changes are all on Rafe and the writers. They COULD have made the show closer to the books even with the darker tone, but they chose not to. Lets be real, the books get very dark later on so its not a hard job to trend in that direction without inventing things like Perrin killing his non-wife. That was simply a crutch used by the writers to avoid having to do any heavy lifting writing wise with the Perrin character in S1.
Had they done a better job with Perrin and Matt's characters (and of course Rand) a lot of the criticism of the changes would have been less. People are willing to accept some changes if you keep their favorite characters interacting well. If we got book true Matt, Perrin and Rand I bet 50% or better of the criticisms you see would be significantly less.
A great example of this is the original Star Trek. There are many examples of poor, or inconsistent episodes in its original run. However people tuned in to see how Kirk, Spock and Bones would interact with each other. How they solved problems together was the best part of the episode. Even if it was against a poorly costumed creature somewhere in southern California.
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Burn Notice is one of those sneaky good shows. Kind of like MacGuyver meets Magnum PI and the A-Team, but with Bruce Campbell playing a Secondary character. Its 'science' is very sketchy at times, but at least attempts to be close to realistic. It is really carried by its actors and how well they work together.
There is a funny theme in the show where the Lead Character can speak all kinds of different languages fluently because he is an uber spy, but he can't speak a word of Spanish. The show is set in Miami. 🙂
Babylon 5 is one of the best SciFi TV shows of all time. It isn't for everybody, but if you appreciate hard SciFi it is a good one.
The first season of Daredevil was pretty good.
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First, if you are truly contemplating self harm, please seek help.
Second, I’m not sure what I’ve decided or how I’ve been “high handed”. I asked a simple question.
While I'm guessing my take and Elder_Haman's takes on the show are wildly different. I have not personally seen any kid of moderation that has been bad. In fact I think this website is a lot better than the official Reddit areas where you get banned for anything but effusive praise for the show.
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I've never understood the 'it is a different turning' perspective. If it is a different turning, change the names of the characters. Would make it easier to swallow the other story changes because the differences in the adaptation from the book would be more obvious - for me at least.
Birgitte, for example, had many different names and adventures that were tied to her through the Ages. So if it is another turning change Rand, Egwene, Logain, and etc. There can be some overlap from events in the books because there are no beginnings, but the differences wouldn't be as jarring and maybe even welcome because it is obviously not the books that were adapted, but the world. We would expect changes but still have a familiar world that we could comfortably sink in to.
🤷♂️ Just Monday morning quarterbacking...
That would have been a great idea. I think people would have been a LOT MORE forgiving if they had done something like a prologue explaining that this was a different turning of the wheel and introduced us to Band, Pratt, and Gerrin a trio of Ta'Veren from the 3 rivers.
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I've been away, several issues not the least of which a de-laminating tyre causing 1000's in damage to my X5.
Paying work restarting, the boss away for 6 weeks and a desperate need to invest more time on my own writing.
I've had a quick perusal of a few messages here and it's clear this thread is going nowhere.
My final statement, anyone who has read the books and believes the TV series is an acceptable adaptation of the books is NOT a fan of the books and is in desperate need of psychological evaluation.
The books are awesome !
The show is barely average !
EVERY person who has influence over the scripting of the show needs to be PUBLICLY FLOGGED !
It's that simple !
Ciao for now.
Sorry to hear about your vehicle. It is never fun when that happens.
I wouldn't want to speak for others and their enjoyment of media. We all have things we like and dislike and what we enjoy is a personal thing. If people enjoy this adaptation that is great.
Having said that for me this is a very poor adaptation. In my opinion they missed the boat completely and wandered into insulting territory. It is also fairly poorly written and produced. Their chief problem is that the writers missed the entire spirit of the books and replaced it with cheap cliches, manufactured drama and their own life experiences. That seems to be a problem with a LOT of writers nowadays across much of media.
Lots of movies, or books have multiple 'remakes' and 'adaptations' with each having their own dedicated following. Lots of people like to dump on the Bakshi Lord of the Rings movie, but it is what got me interested in the books and the cartoons when I was a kid. I absolutely loved the LOTR cartoons when I was a kid, but they aren't exactly masterpieces. They did however have the spirit of the books in them and hit their target of making easy to digest LOTR content for kids.
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Poor writing can be evaluated objectively and this show has objectively poor writing. If you enjoy it, that’s great for you. I enjoy some shows with bad writing.I for the life of me, though, do not understand the writing apologists. Why can’t we demand better? Why can’t we point out that every single episode is packed full of nonsense?
You nailed it. Very much the way I see things too. I want the show to be good, but IMHO it won't be truly great until they get better writers and showrunner.
What I think irritates most of us who don't really like the show is that it could have been much better than GOT as it has better and more complete source material. It is also a story that more people will relate to. However since they gave it to questionable writers who either don't have much talent, or can't shrug off studio interference then we have what we have now.
This isn't a problem just with this show. Even Starwars, The Witcher, and Marvel have all taken their turns recently with abysmal writing. You have people like Timothy Zahn and Brandon Sanderson sitting on the bench with hits galore and this is what we get on screen? They could do much better with better writing.
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I dread to think how many times i read the series. I was obsessed when young - i read the first book in 1992 and like many people i would re-read every previous book when a new book came out.
It is a different experience as a middle aged man to be honest and yes i think its a common criticism of RJ, his writing of female characters.
Despite that, they do have their moments to shine, i loved the golden crane scene for example, and although i spent much of the series finding Egwene a bit annoying .. her final scenes definitely hit me.
Haven't read through them that many times, but I am listening to the audio books now which are fun. Definitely picking up a lot more and being 20+ years after my first readthrough as a kid. I'm thinking the lack of plot advancement in books 7+ won't hit me as hard as my early 20s. I rage quit ISOIAF too on book 4 when they introduced Asha as the 1000th non-useful POV character. Picked it back up later on audio books and while not as good as books 1-3 books 4-5 did have decent lore.
Hopefully being older and having more patience will serve me well like it did you. Now having a wife and kids I can see how his writing of female characters is a bit repetitive, but I don't think it rises to the point of bad, or book breaking. They still stand out as unique and nuanced. I think some of the criticism of Jordan over that an other things is overblown.
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Yes. But also, HE NEVER SAID HE DIDN’T LIKE THE SHOW.
Criticism is not condemnation.
I agree with you he was very fair to the show.
I haven't fully finished the episode (about 3/4 of the way through) as it is kind of hard to watch 3 guys watching a show that isn't on screen and I don't have much in the way of free time.
From what I have seen Brandon was very respectful of the show and even pointed out where he thought it did better than the books. Even the ones he wrote.
What he did do however is correctly point out that the writers went for "cool factor" over story and coherent plot. He mentions many times where he tried to tell them not to do things because fans won't like it, or that it didn't make sense, but was ignored. That is what all of us would do if we were in his place.
I'm actually even more impressed with him after this show as he could have easily went full melt down on them for ignoring his advice since not only did he write 3 of the books and was a huge super fan, but is probably THE most popular current fantasy writer of today. His skill and experience is much greater than any writer on the show and maybe all of them combined. (For an example watch "The Sword and Pen Reflections" video on S2E1 and trying to figure out Moraine and the Fades. questionable writing, bad editing and directing all around)
General question to the thread: Imagine if you were trying to mentor a bunch of new people in wherever you work and saw them making questionable choices on a project related to one you once were in charge of and successfully finished. You being very established in your profession and have direct and relevant knowledge of the project offer them advice when you seem the going towards a trouble spot. Their response is: "no thanks we are good." How would you respond?
Most people I know with that much experience and skill would respond much more negatively than Brandon did.
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No, I am quite sure you would not enjoy show.
Though I do not see why you appear to be attempting to speak for the whole of the community who enjoy the book. You are taking your opinion and applying it to everyone. You are wondering why anyone could think it is a good adaptation, but you are so sure of your opinion that I don't think you will manage to see someone else's perspective.
If watching a few minutes can convince you that they have not understood the books, that would appear to speak volumes of how you view the books, far more than anything it might say about the show itself.
I am enjoying seeing the books be brought to life, I am enjoying the actors' performances overall and I am very happy that they are making the show and hope that they make the full series and that they might allowed to have more/longer episodes per season. That does not mean that I agree with everything the show is doing, far from it, and some of it is very frustrating. But I cannot say the books were different, and the show per se has a lot of stuff to deal with with the funding, time limits, need to keep number of locations down, etc, etc, before you even start on the artistic decisions. And I can disagree with those decisions without insulting anyone, or feeling cheated.
I'm not speaking about people's enjoyment of the show. I have freely admitted that I do not like it and have no problem with people that do.
What you are doing is conflating objective truth to opinion.
Liking the show or not is opinion.
Saying it isn't a good adaptation is objective truth. This shouldn't be a point of contention. You may rationalize the changes and may be ok with them, but they still exist and are many. Change is ok and expected. Changing main plots and characters to the point where it isn't coherent to the larger narrative is why Amazon's WoT it isn't a good adaptation. Even if people like the changes.
The 1978 Bakshi Lord of the Rings was nearly a 1:1 adaptation of the books dialog wise, but it is extremely mixed if people like it. Peter Jackson changes way more in his adaptation, but it kept the spirit of the books alive and people consider it one of the best examples of a fantasy adaptation.
Saying the writing is low quality is objective truth. That really shouldn't be a point of contention either. In no universe is the writing on this show good. People may like it, but it isn't good.
People need to get past the need to say something is objectively good because they like it. I like many shows that aren't good writing. I liked Ready Player One the book. The writing in that book is objectively not good, but I enjoyed it. That movie while ok wasn't a good adaptation either though it didn't seem to go out of its way to twist the entire story.
I liked the original dune 1985 movie as well because I was younger and hadn't read the books yet. Doesn't mean that it wasn't fairly poorly written and very cringe. It did at least try to stay true to the story if by taking way to many short cuts to fit into a 2+ hour movie. They freely admit this when they talk about it. That is why they had the Irulan voice over added to the beginning. Which seems to be copied by everybody now. 😄
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I got a fantasy loving friend to watch the show and he went on to try the books.
He commented on how the series felt 'very 90's' as well.
Personally i have read the series lots of times, but not for a couple of years and my memory is not as good as it was (too much radiotherapy to the head!).
I do remember there was a general obsession with breasts and spanking and a very odd storyline with Tylin that did not work for me at all. But i still loved the overall story
I have just started a reread, and i am on the hunt for the horn (the great hunt), it will be interesting to see if these things bother me this time around.
You will be amazed at how much more you pick up on a re-read. He lays out a ton of stuff for you if you know what to look for.
Once criticism of Jordan's writing which I do agree with is his oversimplification of many characters including female characters. Like every female character was based off of his wife, or one of his close female relatives. For instance he likes to describe females as "plump." People may do so in their head, but Elayne describing Else to Lanfear as plump out loud just seemed wrong.
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Do you mean you have not even watched the show? Just seems to be what you are saying.
You are correct. I have watched more of the show through other people doing break downs than I have of the show on Amazon. The first episode was THAT bad. I was going to go back and give it a chance until S1 E8 came out and I have no intention of watching it after that travesty. There is literally no excuse for what they put on screen other than malice or laziness. COVID didn't make them completely alter the final battle there and after S2 E8 they just confirmed they are going to keep on doing it.
I have had fun watching things from people like The Sword and Pen reflections among others so have seen many scenes from the show. In no way have those scenes made me want to go back and give it a chance.
I'm assuming the reply will be how can you judge the show without watching the whole thing? The answer is easy. If I bite into a steak and find out it is actually tofu without seasoning and I don't finish it it the reason is because I ordered steak. I'm not offended by people who like tofu (I even like it with seasoning and vegetables), but when I order steak I expect steak. In this case I ordered Wheel of Time and got something else.
This whole trend of updating for modern audiences, or subverting expectations is getting old. The reason why people like classic works is because of the works themselves. When you give them something else why are you surprised when they don't like it?
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Yes it does. Those that evaluated both seasons preferred season 2. It’s just not mathematically significant.
I’m not saying it’s proof, I’m saying it is evidence. Those things are not the same.
I appreciate both of your back and forth as it is well argued.
Let me point out that using Season 2 ratings as evidence isn't really useful right now due to a lack of sample size. There is such a small sample it actually points to statistical dilution as represented earlier. That makes it hard to draw conclusions as your sample set isn't drawing from the same pool as season 1 so you can't really have a direct correlation.
What it may be pointing to is the fact that many viewers didn't pick back up for whatever reason. We will have to wait and see when the final numbers come out.
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My metric is my experience watching the show. It was slow and boring, also illogical, inconsistent, cringy and ridiculous. Season 2 was even more so. Long overly dramatic emotional scenes about nonsense took up most of the season when it should have had a much faster pace. It was a drama when it should have been an adventure.
Also I don't put much stock in sites like Rotten Tomatoes or IMDB ratings and neither should you.
I have to agree with this point. For certain shows the numbers tend to get skewed, but you can absolutely tell that Amazon sent people out in force to plant many positive reviews of the show when S2 dropped. Same as they did for S1 and Rings of Power (another Amazon stinker). Too many generically positive 10/10 reviews citing things like great adaptation and don't listen to the haters. They also keep the ratio at a certain 3.x or 7.x ratio. As soon as enough real reviews come in to drop the score a half dozen generic fake 10/10 reviews show up to bring it back up.
First if you don't like haters don't listen to them. There are definitely some of those reviews that are off base and some people are just there to be negative. They don't add much value, but neither do fake positive reviews.
Second I'm truly baffled at people who think this show is a good adaptation. I have no problem with people liking the show, but to think it is a good adaptation is a bit of a stretch.
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This was a very interesting watch, I'm surprised Sanderson was as overtly negative as he was with the writing and the themes.
I'm surprised he is as well since in general he seems to try and be very positive. However his professional integrity was probably taking a hit as the writing on the show is very low quality. He was most likely getting called out by his peers and friends so had to say something.
Remember that Brandon was chosen to finish WoT partly because he was a well known super fan and and up and coming author at the time.
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Credit where it is due: ofc the admins of this forum are supporting the show (for many reasons) but still they give room for opposing reasonable opinions.
Very much give props to the admins here. They allow people to express their opinions which is something WOTShow does not do. I remember seeing a post where someone said can we at least talk about the poor writing quality? That was coming from somebody where the rest of the post was full of glowing comments on the show.
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This very much sums up where I stand on the matter; however, I decided not to give S2 a go...I literally pulled it up the night of release, looked at it paused and ready to go for like 10 minutes just staring...and then said, nah I got too much other stuff going for me right now. 😛😄
That is nearly 100% of how my experience went with Season 1. Flipped it on for 5 minutes. Got confused on why it was called Wheel of Time as it appeared to be something completely different. Turned it on again later and right back off after Rand and Egwene did the horizontal mambo. It took them 15 minutes to show they missed the entire point of the books.
Some people here like it which is great. When I talk to people at work and friends who watch things like GoT and Foundation they are either like what is Wheel of Time?, or watched it and thought it was forgettable, or couldn't get into it. There were no people I talked to that liked it and they watch other fantasy and SciFi shows. Some binge watched it because they were bored, but thought it was generic at best.
On the positive side I'm now going through the books on audio and remembering how good they are. Full disclosure I gave up after the 1000th pov side character was introduced in book 7 or 8, but am now jazzed to finish. I last read them 20 years ago with the exception of the comic which was about 5 years ago or so.
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I’ll do that. You’ll probably have a better experience over on Reddit.
Actually some of what I've seen on Reddit is so comically positive that it is hard to believe that 90% of it aren't Amazon employees and probably show staff personally.
Even for universally loved shows they usually have a lot of negative Nancy's. That is the way the internet rolls. Evidently not in WotShow since every thing is rosy there and every episode is the best ever.
Its ok to like the show, but that reeks of Amazon interference to drive positive show reaction. Much like their IMDB reviews (Amazon owns IMDB) and their own reviews. They absolutely pump it full of fake positive reviews whenever bad ones come in. To pretty much always keep the score at the same point.
Expand@Rolan Salvane Nice quote. I hadn't heard it before, but it echoes something that I'm fond of citing, which is a statement from Lucasfilm Story Group member (and inspiration for Rebels supporting character Mart Mattin) Matt Martin that the concept of Canon is only relevant to the people responsible for actively working on the creative side of any given IP.
Well, the Lucasfilm Story Group is the absolute worst people you could be quoting for me. These are the same people that turned a very successful business to one that hasn't made money on movies since Disney bought them and is currently on life support.
Some smart people put together what Lucasfilm published for figures in Europe to get tax credits (not what they claim they spent) and did some interpolating on what standard profits are for movies. If they made money on all of their Disney films put together it wasn't much if anything.
Remember these are the people that tried to take over the reigns from successful people like Timothy Zahn who sold books in the millions even on re-issue to books that sell in the thousands and Movies and Shows that are mixed at best.
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coming in late, i haven't visited in some time.
For me, having read the book or not isn't the biggest issue. I'm less bothered about changes from the books, than I am about plain poor writing overall. Heck, TV Lan is my favorite character in the show, and he's one of the most different from the book. But the show is internally inconsistent, the story doesn't tie together well, it doesn't show compelling progress through episodes to keep the viewer engaged. IMO. And some of the writing errors just defy any suspense of disbelief. Much of what happens in the show doesn't follow logically from anything in the story, things just happen, seemingly at random. The acting is really inconsistent, the directing is too. Maybe those are weak because the writing is poor.
For comparison, I love the Shadow and Bone show, although that's hugely different from the books. The acting is solid, the story maintains a solid course of development and keeps viewers engaged.
I just feel like the Rafe of Time team forgot that a compelling series is about only one thing - the story.
You nailed it spot on. Many of the changes from the book could have been ok if they told a compelling story. IMHO they did not. Unfortunately it is a common problem in too many Movies and TV shows lately. Its like modern writers have never watched the Godfather, or even something as straight forward as The Village from M. Night Shyamalan.
Not trying to take away from other people's enjoyment of the series, but I find its plan and direction very poorly thought out. Like they just grab random quotes and try to fashion a story from it without understanding what actually made the story great. If you enjoyed it that is great.
Lets look at One Piece. They did a fairly decent job of staying close to the source material, but did cut and change things to fit into a TV show. However they kept the spirit of the show and characters alive. Luffy and Zoro (Nami looked almost exactly like I'd think) may look a bit different than their book and cartoon counterparts, but acted fairly close. Well, at least from my read the manga a while ago memory.
The reason they had success? 1) The author was involved. 2) The show producers got destroyed on their previous effort of adapting Cowboy Bebop and decided to take the feedback and course correct for their next show.
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While I appreciate the folks trying to stay positive about this - maybe some of you even mean it - at some point we gotta call this for what it is.
I actually look at it slightly differently. Amazon is making 8 one hour episodes per season.
However this turns into many more hours of enjoyment of watching videos of people critically deconstructing the episodes and how bad the writing is and how poor they follow the lore. So instead of only 8 one hour episodes I can get nearly unlimited entertainment!
There is a very interesting one that is new called The Sword and the Pen Reflections. It is from an editor that is reading the books for the first time and watching the show at the same time. She is completely new to TWOT and judges it on what she sees. It is a very interesting take.
I'm happy for the people who enjoy this show, but I'm not one of them.
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Definitely would have given the show a chance if I hadn't read the books and the comic and listened to the audio book. However IMHO the show was so poorly done compared to those things it was unwatchable. On its own it may have been a B- level sci-fi/fantasy show that I may have been ok with.
However RJ was very smart in his writing. He linked things together through his narratives that show up later in books exactly as he set up. He played around with Societal roles and made comments on them that tried to examine and swap around traditional roles. It wasn't always well done and sometimes simplistic, but he had a plan. His style was not for everybody, but he had a talent for painting a picture of characters and their world.
Rafe's version is just a quickly thrown together trope filled stream of consciousness. Even with a WoT expert and Brandon Sanderson he still got TONS of stuff wrong. Things that didn't have to change, but he chose to change because he wanted to put his own spin on things. Unfortunately for me his 'spin' on things was very juvenile and uninteresting. It appears Rafe either lacks talent, or just really doesn't like the books and wants to write his own version.
TLDR: Robert Jordan (flaws and all) was a passionate and talented writer. Rafe thinks he is a talented writer, but is really not. IIRC he wrote E1 and E8 some of the most panned and worst structured episodes. Judkins is way out of his talent depth here and it shows. Lets hope he got a lot of studio 'help' for S2.
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I respect your viewpoint and thank you for sharing it! Let me be clear that I genuinely enjoy hearing what people think and sincerely appreciate and honor the opportunity to learn from every perspective and have no personal opinion/investment in terms of believing in one thing being more true or superior to another. That being said. Just curious, did you ever get into Star Wars and I suppose even the marvel universe? If so. How did you feel about those worlds being reimagined, handed over, and/or redefined/expanded upon in ways that weren’t originally intended?
I can take a swing at that question. First I agree with the OP in that if you are going to 'adapt' something at least have a plan on what you are going to do and how it fits in with the overall source material. Some adaptions are trying to squeeze a huge story into a 2.5 hour movie slot, others are trying to bring a new 'spin' on the old tale.
For Starwars the movies came first so the books were the adaptation. Honestly some of them worked very well while others didn't as much. IMHO the Timothy Zahn Trilogy staring with Heir to the Empire is vastly superior to episodes VII, VIII, and IX. Zahn is a fantastic writer and had a plan. It was obvious the writers for Starwars 7-9 did not have any kind of plan. I know that because they said so.
For Marvel it is also hit and miss. Age of Ultron was a terrible mash up crossover comic. The movie was mediocre, but a decent way to spend 2 or so ours. Mediocre may sound bad, but that is much better than the quality of the comic. The first few movies ranged from decent (Thor) to outstanding (Iron Man, Captain America). None of those movies were straight adaptions of the comics. However they were a presentation of the traits and heroic attributes of the characters. Thor was a brute, but ultimately caring. Steve Rodgers was selfless and brave.
When Marvel strayed away from presenting the characters how they were in the comics and tried to tell 'their own stories' using established characters things started going off the rails. People know and understand the characters and how they need to be. Changing them both physically and trait wise just upsets fans as you can just create a new character for that.
To me this is where Wheel of Time went off the rails. They took established characters and then changed them willy-nilly to fit 'their story.' Fans of books want to see the characters they know and loved. Instead they got to see whatever that was they are calling Wheel of Time.
It is ok to change and prune and streamline for a movie, or TV as it is a harder medium to show inner dialog. However when you change the appearance and traits of the character so much they are barely recognizable there will be a problem. IMHO the WoT TV show basically just created a new bunch of characters to tell their story with the names of the old characters. The only one that really was similar to the books was Nynaeve as they made her super annoying just like the book character. They couldn't have gotten the boys more wrong. Lan and Moraine weren't as bad, but still not like the books.
None of this will matter as much if the story that is told through the adaptation is good. People will forgive differences and changes for a good story. They will just look at it as an alternative telling and enjoy it for what it is. For this version I think the story is exceedingly poor and done by a bunch of wannabe soap opera writers. None of the intelligence of RJ is showing through. When you re-read the books you can see him setting up things extremely well and foreshadowing a ton of stuff that you miss the first time through. The TV version is just tropes and cheap drama with a WoT skin on it.
My question for the writers is this: "How can a comic book with only 35 issues telling the tale of the whole EotW book soundly outperform your 8 one hour each episode series that only tells a fraction of what the comic does?"
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Case in point - some of my favorite movies are: Shaun of the Dead, Napoleon Dynamite, Equilibrium, Last Samurai, etc. Others will think some or all of them are trash - maybe for some of the same reasons you outlined above.
Agree with you on all of those movies. Even though they are all flawed they tried to take an interesting concept and go with it. They took an original idea and pushed their vision with passion. Equilibrium is criminally under rated and I laughed a lot a Napoleon.
I don't think your comparison works fully for WoT TV though. There was an interesting concept, but instead of using it they decided shelve it and write their own uninteresting one. I don't see the passion for the story with this creative team. I do see somewhat of a passion for them to tell their own different story.
Your comment on some people will just devour any content is spot on though.
What would you have started the show with?
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Well, they wasted at least 10 minutes of fluff other things. The women's circle throwing Egwene off a cliff, Matt's family interactions, Perrin's wife, The whole scene in the inn.
The prologue was epic and mysterious. All of what I described above were filler that didn't advance the plot, or really much of anything.