Haven't seen it yet, but I honestly wasn't interested when I heard it was out.  For me, that franchise would have been best if it hadn't become a franchise and was left at the first movie.

2 hours ago, Deviations said:

Points for the first person to name the character and movie.  (a GREAT adaptation of a book).

His name is Uncas... I'm catching up on this thread and haven't read beyond the page where you asked.  

I didn't need Google or IMDB for that bit.  I've watched that movie at least 5 times, including probably around October of this year.

It was Ok.  I wasn't wowed and wasn't turned off by it.

After S5, I bought all 8 of the books available at that time and read them.  They were quick reads (compared to WoT).  Then life happened and I mostly forgot about it until I noticed Prime had released S6E1.  If the show brings me back in - which E1 didn't really do yet, then I may buy book 9 over Christmas.

What were your thoughts?

For me, from EotW I wanted to see:
 

• Manetheren speech IN Emond's Field, shaming the crowd of villagers and giving them backbone for what is to come.
• Lan's mention of the heron mark on Tam's sword.
• Min's introduction in Baerlon and the dance scene at the inn.
• Mat using the old tongue in the first fight on the way to SL, with Lan's decapitation of the fade and the remaining trollocs dying... then Moiraine's use of the sa'angreal to kill enough of the next 3 fists of trollocs to make an escape.
• Basel Gill / Rand's intro to Elayne / Elaida's declaration that "Pain and division come to the whole world, and this man (Rand) stands in the heart of it."

I could go on, but you see what I'm getting at.

I will be happy though if we at least get the iconic scenes... which include Rand saving the Shienaran's at Tarwin's Gap.  (I'm doubting that we will).

Edit:
I wrote the above during a "down cycle"

I alternate between liking the show and being in a bad mood for the ways that they've changed the story.  I would have worded it less harshly if I hadn't been in a funk.

On a positive note, one of the things I am enjoying the most is getting to see it for the first time vicariously through the eyes of my teenage daughter.  She and her mother like it more than I do.

4 hours ago, The Purple Ajah said:

Does anybody have a quote that proves that souls are "gender-locked" from Robert Jordan? I can't really find a quote from the books that definitively proves such a thing. The only RJ quote I have found on the matter seems to indicate that it might be true for the Dragon, but not all individuals.

For clarity/ease:

 

INTERVIEW: 2011

DARTH ANDREA (20 JANUARY 2011)

BRANDON SANDERSON (20 JANUARY 2011)

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I also noticed in IMDB that there are two Malkieri listed with credits in Ep. 7.

So I'm guessing that these two will be instrumental in the reveal of Lan as the uncrowned King... but it will (should) be Agelmar that tells the EF'ers about him. 

To this day I still can't make up my mind on the show and haven't yet entered my vote.

I swing from moments of loving being able to see certain things on screen to despising what they have cut out or altered. I particularly despise on first viewing where the show has changed the book canon physics (ie: souls not bound to gender, etc).  I also despised (at first) how Moiraine isn't as learned and knowledgeable as she was in the books.

Like others, I have intensely disliked several of the episodes on first viewing, but most of them have been better after re-watching them, eventually gaining an understanding (of sorts) of where the show is taking one or another aspect of the books. 

Some of the things I'm having a hard time accepting:

• The show leaving out the ability of Channellers to recognize others of the same gender who can touch the source (and their relative strength in the OP).  
• Perrin's nerfed / temporary change to having golden eyes (maybe it will be permanent later?), and his ability to talk to the wolves.  They NEED to show it/demonstrate the exchanges.  Maybe they just haven't figured out how to do so without it being cheesy, but damnit, it is important. 
• The show not demonstrating regularly that Lan is among the best with the sword (so that when he later is mentioned as THE best, it won't fall flat).
• They show hasn't demonstrated or even alluded to the Warder Bond bestowing increased strength, quickness, and ability to withstand pain.  I was told it is in the XRay extras, but I haven't found it there and it NEEDS to be demonstrated or at least spoken of in show.  
• The show hasn't spoken of the increased life expectancy in years of channellers.  Is the show going to keep this???  Scenes in Tar Valon could have easily inserted this.
• The importance of the heron markings.

I also think that Amazon hamstrung the show by demanding only 8 episodes per season.  That is a truly boneheaded decision that makes it FAR too hard to keep many of the best elements of the books from being adapted.

I have several others gripes, but this post isn't intended by me to simply bash/grieve.  I am still watching because there are elements I love. I also desperately want to see in future episodes the iconic scenes from the books. 

The next chance the show has to give us something iconic on screen is when the DR saves the Shienarans at Tarwin's Gap before ascending into Tel'aran'rhiod to fight Ba'alzamon.  Someone in one of the threads stated they think that scene can be cut.  I wholeheartedly disagree, as that is the scene that brings the Shienaran's to his side.

10 hours ago, ForsakenPotato said:

I predict blood snow will set up that a baby was born who is the dragon reborn but we can't necessarily tell who (although enthusiastic watchers will remember Loial's comment about Rand looking like an Aielman) and later in the episode we'll get Rand's flashback with Tam on the quarry road and confirm that it's him. And then he'll do a big channel.

These were my thoughts as well - but only at first.  I now have thought it over (too much) and I think / theorize.  (I hope I'm wrong, tbh) I think that:

Book Spoilers:
 

Just now, ForsakenPotato said:

I predict blood snow will set up that a baby was born who is the dragon reborn but we can't necessarily tell who (although enthusiastic watchers will remember Loial's comment about Rand looking like an Aielman) and later in the episode we'll get Rand's flashback with Tam on the quarry road and confirm that it's him. And then he'll do a big channel.

My exact thoughts as well

As I write this it is one hour before Episode 6 drop... I haven't read this whole thread because, you know... work and life.  I doubt what I'll write here hasn't already been mentioned by one or several others.

Based on the new stills of the episode and the teaser, etc. etc.:
 

• Loial is consulted by Moiraine and Lan regarding the fastest way to get to the eye.  This means that some form of the message regarding "Sightblinder plans to blind the Eye of the World" is passed to Moiraine during this episode.
• Siuan has her moment of publicly disciplining Moiraine (for being away so long / taking part in Logains gentling ???).  She will then meet with Moiraine privately for a heartfelt reunion... unless the show has decided to downplay that.
• The may try to heal Mat, but they'll have to use other than by-the-book reason for it to fail. 
• Logain will accuse the Amyrlin of something... not sure what yet.
• We will learn more about the mysterious box in Moiraines room.

1 hour ago, Jaysen Gore said:

Well you've had a boring social life... ? 

Rather presumptive of you. 

Perhaps Sabio has never been in a old-western town that doesn't have horses as a main form of transport- or 
Perhaps you've never been around someone who thinks 'nine' is a small amount... 

RJ was known for his euphemisms... "easing the badger" also comes to mind.  This is easily taken as an innuendo, but only Harriett knows for certain now - unless she's confided in someone else.

2 minutes ago, JaimAybara said:

I’m wondering too if they can make exceptions to ratings for single episodes. Dumai’s Wells in later seasons is…

I _think_ they can, simply making the introduction to the episode say that there is graphic violence.  They do that for some shows on TV with ads when there is a more mature subject matter.  I know less about how it works/what the rules are for a streamer.

Dumai's Wells will lose ALOT if they don't make people's stomach turn while watching.  The book description did that to me with the descriptions of people exploding.

I had a strange article pop up in my Google news feed today... odd in particular because it was the first time in my feed, but the article is dated as Nov. 11.

https://moviesr.net/p-the-wheel-of-time-renewed-for-season-3-at-amazon-studios

I've not seen any mention of this article, and I've also not seen any verification of this claim.  I'm pretty sure it isn't real or certainly wasn't at the time it was written.

1 hour ago, SinisterDeath said:

Didn't that film also bomb at the box office? 

It did, and Ridley Scott blamed the millennials and their smartphones:
https://www.ign.com/articles/ridley-scott-blames-the-last-duels-box-office-failure-on-millennials

(Writing that sentence above reminded me of Scooby Doo villains:
"I'd have gotten away with it if it weren't for these meddling kids!")

I haven't seen it yet, but its (still) on my list to watch.  I'm from a generation loooong before the millennials.  Just haven't taken the time to see it yet.

7 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

They are almost 20 in the books 19 and a half when they leave emonds field 

 

need to learn to read further down from the reply then just reply as someone may already have made my point :). 

I'll beat this dead horse ?
http://encyclopaedia-wot.org/history/timeline.html

51 minutes ago, Ralph said:

This discussion is going on on several different threads, and has become totally repetitive. 

 

I would summarise as follows :-

 

There are several reasons for changes, and most contributors accept all of them to a certain extent. 

I would characterize it as "MANY" contributors accept most or all of the changes.

I myself am trying hard to understand/accept the changes... but I find it very hard to accept upon first viewing.  Perhaps they have reasons for showing scenes not from the books, but they have to realize that we book readers have waited decades to see specific things on screen.

I am still watching and trying to understand many of the changes... but the next time they skip/leave off-screen an ICONIC moment from the books, I'll be done. 

 

Of course it is different for everyone, but it is mis-characterizing it to say 'Most' have accepted 'All' of it.

19 hours ago, Harad the White said:

So how does that forward your "argument"? What is the recent history in Amazon WoT?

 

And again what is your source for RJ2's "unintentional" scene in Eps1. Last time to ask-- if there's no answer, the cornclusion is: it's made up.

I also mentioned the disbelief that Whitecloaks were so close to Tar Valon in one of my first posts in this thread:

It struck me as straying from book canon, because I recalled at least one of the sister's in at least one of the books commenting on how they'd (WC's) not dare to come "that close".  My memory was that the WCs would only get that close when the Aes Sedai as a whole were perceived as weak, and they'd not dare get close when the tower was perceived as strong.  But then I found these entries in

encyclopaedia-wot.org : 

• TGH,Ch4 - A party of Whitecloaks led by Eamon Valda follow Elayne from Caemlyn to Tar Valon and remain camped nearby.
• TGH,Ch24 - The Whitecloaks that followed Elayne to Tar Valon are still camped by Dragonmount.
• TDR,Ch11 - The Tar Valon bridge guard reports to Verin that the Whitecloaks tried to take over Eldone Market and other small, outlying villages.
• LoC,Prologue - When Eamon Valda and most of the Whitecloaks leave Tar Valon, Gawyn wonders what Pedron Niall is up to.

If my memory/assumptions are correct, that site (encyclopaedia-wot.org) was created and maintained by @JenniferL, @Mashiara Sedai, and @Jason Denzel.

• Edited just now to tag the three of you for to hopefully confirm or deny my memory/assumption above.

My point is that I suppose I was incorrect in my thought that they'd not operate that closely to the Tower while it was perceived to be strong.

3 hours ago, Ralph said:

 

Was in the shorts I think

Not in any that I've seen, and I've watched all 5 "Origin stories".  In the Warder one, they only mention Jeorom and Blademasters, no mention of the increased capabilities brought by the bond.

8 hours ago, DermidAjala said:

One random thing that hit me today. Have they at all mentioned the longer lifespan of people who can channel? I wonder when that will come up. I suppose they could skip it entirely.

No they haven't iirc.  Neither have they mentioned any of the best (by book canon) benefits to becoming a warder, such as increased quickness, stamina, ability to tolerate pain, etc.  I'm pretty sure (but not 100%) that those are described in the books.

It kind of seems so far that people become warders simply to be a part of the noble "servants".  I certainly hope they rectify this.

Yeah, I agree with Flinn.  Overall not bad but it wasn't exciting like Ep. 4.

They're playing up / teasing the possibility that Liandrin will take on both roles (merging her character and Elaida).

They may also merge Alannah with Myrelle.  

Both of those obviously will have to be seen... just seem like a possibility in this episode so far.

I don't like the partial changing to yellow eyes - at least yet.  Maybe they'll make it permanent later?

Also - no talking between the wolves and Perrin at this point in the episode (47 minutes in)

1. Shallow graves??  
2. "Last embrace of the Mother" - no longer just a Borderlander saying then.

3. Whitecloaks so close to TV??
4.  Loial!!!!! but waaaay too short

I'll post more thoughts... first time through this episode.  I'll think these are more OK later I suspect.
 

32 minutes ago, Deadsy said:

I love this photo. Looks like they are watching a parade, which is what they are doing in a way.

That's another departure from the similar scene in EotW, since Mat is sitting there with him  (If I'm right about this being the scene where Logain sees Rand for the first time).  Mat stayed at 'The Queen's Blessing' during that time as he was too sick.  

46 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Yesterday I searched for the promo-teasee picture and couldn't find it, but this new one released today includes the same building!

It appears like they're going to have Logain being able to see Ta'veren in show as well... at least, when I looked at the stills for Ep. 5, there's the photo you posted, as well as another of Logain with a huge grin looking upward out of his cage...

I just looked on Twitter again but can't find it now ? ... or I'm remembering it wrong and it was in the Episode preview(??)