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  1. @Turin Turambar - Out of everything I have said this game, you are basing your thinking on one coincidental timing?  Burn me, I've written palaces of posts, but that's enough to override your feeling of me that's been town ALL game???  I find this whiplash turnaround sus. 

     

    Explain how Hally's flip relates to me in your eyes?

     

    @Zander? - No, according to DPR he (DPR) hasn't been linking us.  Although, imo, he has. I also think DPR putting Hally at L-1 when we have like 1.5 days to discuss is suspicious, even though, tbf, I also think she's wolfy. 

     

    @seph - I want to know what put DPR firmly in your town camp.

     

    I have doubts that a 3rd party exists in an 11 player game, personally 🤷‍♀️

     

  2.   On 4/7/2025 at 3:04 PM, seph said:

    Can everyone respond to feelings on Gud atm?
    While I reread I think Vote Hallia is a good place to go. I want to see her updated reads and thought on the game.

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    Not totally sure how I feel about Gud, tbh.  Before rereading my feeling on her is lean town, but I do also remember that that's mostly based on do I think new scum would act this way.

  3. Here between meetings.  

     

    @Zander? - Hallia's "sketchy" read was on DPR.  I can go get you my exchange with her later when I have more time, but she essentially said she voted for DPR based on his vote on Turin due to emotions.  Then she claimed she had him sketchy for a long time, then when I asked her why she didn't mention he was her top sketchy read when she voted for him she had nothing to say.

     

    @DPR - Why quote your own post instead of mine?  :p. Okay, I guess I can see how thinking us on a wolf team isn't linking us together.  But you did in you other posts and I stick to that.  I will gather quotes later. 

     

    Can you please explain the nursery rhyme thing?  At first I thought it was just because she was referencing her having a 4 year old, which is why I laughed, but then when I thought about it, that's kinda a weird thing to say.

     

    @Turin Turambar - But you're voting her??

     

    I think she's sketchy too, but I'd like to hear from her today before I run her up to L-1.

  4.   On 4/6/2025 at 10:04 PM, Gudrean said:

    I said I didn't love either of them but i thought cass was more wolfy so that's why i voted her

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    You also said CassTurin was LIKELY mafia.  More wolfy I can understand, but you literally said likely mafia which is different, imo.

     

      On 4/6/2025 at 10:11 PM, Zander? said:

     

    Crap I'm not sure if that Darthe vote is distancing or clearing for Cass FML

     

    Hallia and DPR could be anything based on the Hallia vote even W/W because he was in no danger. But DPR on Turin increases his Wolf equity.  Doesn't make him a Wolf just increases the odds.

     

    There's min 1 Wolf prolly 2 on Turin unless Cass is Town then that might not be as true.  But definitely at least 1.

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    For me it depends both on when Darthe put his vote on CassTurin and why.  But, imo, it is mildly clearing that darthe was around plenty after his vote and did not move his vote.  I'll try to go back today and look at when he vote was and what he said around it.

     

      On 4/6/2025 at 10:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

    Read your post again. I don't think it says what you think it says. 

     

    Just stop with the hyperbole, it makes your thoughts impossible to follow.

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    To be completely honest, I can follow it just fine?

     

      On 4/6/2025 at 10:30 PM, Gudrean said:

    didn't want to have to lunch Cass D1 again and be wrong but Turin felt more town, he was playing like he did when he was town in my first game.

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    See, this is different than thinking she is likely mafia???

     

      On 4/7/2025 at 12:14 AM, DPR said:

    @Zander? @Gudrean is wolf. I knew it as soon as she wouldn't vote for Turin. Pretty sure she knew I knew as soon as I asked her who she would and wouldn't vote for - she's been pretty good about getting back to people and she never circled back to that. Darthe is one of the few players that I could help her pull off the game she has so far and now that he's gone, look for her behavior to change.

     

    Let's run her up and see how she does. 

     

    @seph is lock clear in my book. He called me out on a point of honor, intended or not, and I extend the same standards to him. Enough said. 

     

    In my mind, I don't see Gud jumping on the Cass train if Cass was wolf. It would have been too easy to jump on Turin's train or even my train. Probability makes me think the Cass/Turin slot is *probably* town.

     

    In my mind, I'm looking for a player that fits into the Darthe-guiding-Gud picture. I'm thinking it'll be an independent player and we have a few options there, each of which should reveal themselves today.

     

    @keyholder21 for the love of all that's holy, please stop thinking I've been tying you and @Hallia together - you both just fell into similar places on my PoE, like dice and Verb, but nobody thinks that they're mafia together. It skeeves me that you keep talking about this point, but there are things you've said that make me want to see you working for town. 

     

    Wagonomics on the @Turin Turambar lynch are going t be distorted because he was, and I say this respectfully, the WOLF D1 MVP. I have no idea whatsoever wtf the plan was there, but let's all agree it was a bad idea and move on. Having said that, the last two votes do fall under the independent player category, and everybody is a suspect until they're cleared. 

     

    Is Hallia a wolf? She certainly seems to be coasting and going along with a plan. If we can sort Gud, I'll have a better read here. Honest;y, Turin muddied the water so bad that it's hard to go back and see how other people were playing off of each other. 

     

    That leaves @Verbal32 and @dicetosser1. They'll need to be around more to clear their slots. 

     

    No matter what, Darthe was playing a major role in the mafia plan, so look for departures from that. 

     

     

     

     

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    Dude.  You are still grouping us.  I'm going to go back and grab the quotes.  It's WEIRD because WHY do we fall into the same place in your PoE?? NO ONE else has us grouped together.   How in the world when Cass, Dice, and Verb had ALL been less active than me???? It reeks of tying a teammate to a townie - and Hally's vote on you reeks of distancing from a teammate.  I'll go back and grab all the quotes (at least 4 times to show the connection you're painting between me and Hallia. It's also weird that you put us together like EVERY TIME you make a list. 

     

      On 4/7/2025 at 12:38 AM, Zander? said:

     

    Hmmmm I feel words unspoken here perhaps?

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    I don't understand what you are hinting at, Z.

     

      On 4/7/2025 at 12:57 AM, Zander? said:

     

     

     

    Me thinks maybe not Verb?  Darthe ATP I don't feel had any idea he was getting got last night sooooooooo unless bussing was the plan meh not sure if this is necessary or not for Scummates to do 

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    I agree that their interaction at EOD looks better for Verb.  I think most of us had darthe as town or likely town, so I have doubts that they went at each other on thread at this time.  however, darthe clearly had me confused so ??? I still don't like that Verb didn't appear to be trying to solve AT ALL. 

     

      On 4/7/2025 at 12:57 AM, seph said:

    I caught up and plan on rereading to try and looks at interactions before I go to deep into posting.

    I definitely read your interaction with darthe backwards... Jesus, I dont think I have ever been pocketed that hard. 

    I don't think guds vote is AI

    Ohhhh, that...... yea I hardcore defended darthe over Turin. Thanks for the reminder, ima just vig myself tonight lol.

    Darthe was on Cass pretty early, it's hard for me to even move Cassturin out of the poe. If Cass was Town, it's a easy vote to sit on since she was so inactive. I might lean T over wolf.

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    Why is her vote NAI?

     

    lol on the vig comment.  I had darthe town too, but he didn't even try to pocket me, I was just flat out wrong.

     

    Like I said above, for me it depends on when he put the vote on CassTurin and why, but I agree it's an easy vote to sit on.  Especially with his "defense" of Turin to get towncred towards the end of the day.

     

      On 4/7/2025 at 1:13 AM, Zander? said:

     

    QFR

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    What does this mean?

     

      On 4/7/2025 at 1:27 AM, seph said:

    I think hallia needs to be in the poe.

    Gud

    Verbal. Verbal said he would switch votes to Cass at end so we wouldn't go random. I disliked the end of his day and if he is Mafia I think I look at cassturin a little harder.

     

    Cassturin.

     

    You get 4.

    I am unsure how to feel about verbal with darthes post last night, Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

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    Don't hate this. Although I would like explanation on how you have completely cleared DPR?

     

      On 4/7/2025 at 8:13 AM, Zander? said:

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Dice's end of day is pretty meh 

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    Agreed. 

     

      On 4/7/2025 at 8:33 AM, Turin Turambar said:

    The part about looking for Gudrean to change now that Darthe is gone is questionable as Darthe would still be in the mafia chat if history holds true.

     

    You are the one putting Hallia in next to Key in your previous list which I wanted to show but can't find at the moment. ( I blame Zander). I bet you try to aim at key instead of Hallia,  just like you aimed at Seph instead of Darthe. I think you had them grouped together as well. I really need that post. Stupid long thread.

     

    BS about broken wagonomics. That's lazy. It isn't just who voted who, it's when and how. The fact that nothing happened for like 2 hours while it was 5-5 says mafia knew it was 2 townies and sat it out. Turin pointed it out at like 10.minutes to go, still nothing happened.  I've said my peace about it. I'm still waiting for everyone to check in.

     

    You say you think Hallia has definte wolf potential but want to settle Gudrean first will you do it the other way? I think Hallia much more likely to be.mafia. the IC thinks she should be a target. Any reason we shouldn't run Hallia up as you say? 

     

    Dice and.Verb are still in PoE, but the last bit is imo inherently false. Darthe would be fully capable of directing from the wolf chat. Now that I recall, Darthe  did mention wolf chat more than once.

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      On 4/7/2025 at 8:44 AM, Turin Turambar said:

    This was DPR reads list from D1. I think itwas the last one. Correct me if im wrong.

     

    First group he paints Seph and Darthe together and goes at Seph mostly. We now KNOW Darthe was a wolf. He has taken pot shots at Darthe but never seriously. It also helps explain how he got off Darthe in what I thought was a weird manner when he wasn't really in any risk.

    Next, he definitely groups Key and Hallia. Then he says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Hallia. 

    Shade at Cass, and leaving wiggle room to go at Dice, Verb, and Gudrean. 

     

    DPR is a wolf. Most likely  with Hallia.

     

    Imma take a nap if I can get my dog inside. I'll be back to check and see if Verb and Hallia have checked in.

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    Uh, these posts are basically exactly what I wanted to say 🫠.

     

      On 4/7/2025 at 9:07 AM, dicetosser1 said:

     

    looks like im now 1 page behind.

     

    as for thats it, thats all i could do while balancing work.

     

    FYI I hate that you wans to issue non lynch passes to slots people have been sus on for wifom reasons. I think your making assumptions today.

     

     

    WTL in no particular order expect the very first one 😄 

     

    Zander cause hes Zander. 😄 😄 😄 

     

    Gud. TBH this is largely a case of following DPR. I think his point about Darthe coaching makes sense. Now granted she has mostly sounded like she has other games. Her style so far is, imo, probably fairly easy to emulate as scum this early in her career, particularly with decent support. Im not completely sold here. I am going to be watching for any changes.

     

    Cass/turin  I do NOT discount bussing right out the gate. Ive played with Zander remember? And Darthes quite capable of the same. This one id just follow the crowd tbh because i feel im biased cause Turins in the role.

     

    3rd  Probably Hally. Shes just done nothing. even when shes here theres no oomf.

     

     

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    No-lynch for today, so far.  Personally, I want to see Turin's play on this role before I just hang it.  Half of my suspicion on Cass was lack of activity/involvement which is now hard to gauge because she asked to be replaced?  It's weird that you'd want to go at this position without taking that into account, imo. 

     

    Didn't you say Hally had an obvious tell D2???  Why didn't you bring up about her tell in this post I quoted above???

  5. I'm about to start making dinner so I'll be gone for a bit.  @Gudrean - Wait, didn't you just say a few posts ago that you didn't like the train on CassTurin?

     

      On 4/6/2025 at 9:41 PM, Gudrean said:

    I'll be honest I wasn't liking either CassTurin or Turin for the trains but went with CassTurin because I felt they were wolfier than Turin was. (sorry for the brain melt with all the turins) I thought a DPR train would have been better. 

    DPR is in my top space at the moment for today. Some things about him were just feeling off for town.

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      On 4/6/2025 at 9:58 PM, Gudrean said:

    I agree here. I felt like DPR and CassTurin were likely mafia hense my vote for Cass. But if it's as you say she was just busy I feel like CassTurin's D2 play might shed more light. Hallia, I'm still in a I don't know yet state.

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    ??? If you thought CassTurin was likely mafia why didn't you like that train?

  6. @Zander? - I thought CassTurin's slot was scummy before, so I don't hate it, but I always feel iffy on hanging replacements right out of the gate. Like what if Cass was really busy and that's why she had a lack of posts? I feel like this hinges on how Turin plays, but also, IMO, whether or not DPR flips mafia.

     

    I agree on focusing on DPR and Hally today though.

  7. @Turin Turambar  My list is pretty similar.  Why a scum lean on dice? I have him as null. I also have Hally as scum lean. 

     

    I definitely want to look at DPR today.  I felt toward the end of D1 that maybe I was tunneling, but now know that darthe was mafia and he kept saying DPR was null for him makes me itch since they would have played together a lot.  I also CANNOT get it out of my brain that DPR kept putting me and Hallia together in his lists even though our play has been very different this game.

  8.   On 4/6/2025 at 9:18 PM, Gudrean said:

    WTH just happened? Mafia can be NK'd???

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    If there is a vig(ilante), yes.  There may be other roles that can but I can't think of any others right now.  It's been like 15 years since I've played lol.

     

      On 4/6/2025 at 9:15 PM, Turin Turambar said:

    BTW, I'm town again. 

     

    That makes Darthe's line about hating nationalism even funnier. Cause like the mamafluffers were all "states rights".

     

    I was leaning town on him. Even though he was mean to Turin. 

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    Good follow through regardless lololol.

     

    Why were you leaning town on him?

  9.   On 4/5/2025 at 11:22 PM, Darthe said:

    If anyone is interested in doing vote counts on my behalf (even the players), I'd be happy to run a game.  Found an old one in my g-drive and it looks really funny.  Up to 13p, bastard but not incredibly so (no mod lying/interference, etc), closed setup that may swing a lot. 

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    I'd be happy to help with vote counts! After the Hamilton game it is likely better for my schedule for me to be on that side of things until the semester ends heh. 

     

      On 4/6/2025 at 10:12 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

    I think Key said she might be up for modding a game too, and Verbal mentioned he'd run a game maybe.

     

    So this is all good.

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    Yes! I have one I have created. It's an 11p game and beginner/intermediate in terms of roles. Inspired by my kids it is Summer Camp themed. 

  10.   On 4/4/2025 at 7:18 PM, Cass said:

    @Turin Turambar 

     

    Tl;dr version for now there were two parts to it - one related to flavour/role PMs and you voting Darthe when he was looking imo pretty null-Town with a side of ???. Darthe had made a crack at Dice and I's banter for stinking of 'Nationalism' - which as an American he hated. Later, he was looking ?ok. You voted him and the feels were off. The crux of it is he started that suspicion pretty much out the gate in this game. And I didn't ?still don't put it past you two to do that as WW. 


    The other part reference to your own reactions/opinion to the IC reveal, the rehash of all the posts was ??/?lol but at one point you said that they were in response to Zander's request.

     

    They weren't all - pretty sure there were also ones before that tacked on to the end of posts about other things/players where it made even less sense. One was a linking me with a narrative of 'defense' where you ?over-link (IMO) my agreement that the claim could've waited in comparison to Hallia (who actually had you higher Town iirc) and one to Key where your response felt like shade on her just to bring it up again. Key's comment was something like 'you're all weird for thinking Z claiming early is weird, he needs it' - which makes sense for me - and then you called it a misrep which looked/looks ?wolf, imo. 

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    @Cass - I actually am having some trouble reading this too, and like Verb, I don't mean to be a jerk.  I'm legit trying to understand this.  I think I'm reading that you sussed Turin first over the interactions with darthe and thinking they are W/W.  Then you weren't sure how to feel about Turin's reaction/opinion to the IC reveal but you think some of the posts he went back and posted were from before Z's reveal? I don't understand the bolded part. I do understand the part about me and the thinking he's shady based on his misrep of me.  Is that accurate??

     

    @Verbal32 - I didn't quote yours, but okay, you're here today and Z hasn't been posting which has allowed you to stay current you said.  Did you take the time to look at all at the people that you are suspicious of outside of the literal ONE post of each that you say you are sussing them over???

  11.   On 4/4/2025 at 6:15 PM, Turin Turambar said:

    Nobody is bothered by Cass dropping in, asking for a VC, and peacing again without really saying anything?

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    To be 100% completely fair, I don't know that this particular thing is AI for Cass? Maybe a smidge because she knows the deadline is close?

     

    That being said, she is one of my scum leans and I did say I would be willing to vote for her.  I can take a second look at DPR tomorrow to see if I am tunneling. 

     

    Unvote, Vote Cass

  12.   On 4/4/2025 at 4:29 PM, Hallia said:

    Interesting that no hammer has happened

     

    Are wolves already all on Turin or is Turin a wolf and teammates are staying off

     

    dundundun

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    In each scenario, who are Turin's teammates iyo? I get that you sort of answered below, but I want a more specific answer on each side of the line, please.

     

      On 4/4/2025 at 4:29 PM, Hallia said:

    Of your team I think Verb is least likely but I could see DPR for sure

     

    Cass pretty null

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      On 4/4/2025 at 4:36 PM, Verbal32 said:

     

    Disagree - town should be hunting everybody not town.  On D1, when it's the hardest to hit mafia, if a 3p spews themselves, town should lynch.  It's that simple.

     

    lol that you think me voting you here means I'm scum

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    There's a lot of talk about Turin in this thread.  Pulling out one sentence from all that he's said and all that has been said about him feels like a very easy way for wolf to jump on the top vote getter without tying themselves to a teammate. 

     

      On 4/4/2025 at 4:37 PM, Verbal32 said:

     

    On D1, as a townie I would gladly take a 3p lynch.  Mafia is best case scenario, but at the end of the day removing non-town players is the way to go.

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    This is all just true statements.  Not NAI imo. 

     

      On 4/4/2025 at 4:43 PM, Verbal32 said:

     

    Not sure if this is to me or Hallia?  Either way, I don't get your meaning.

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    I think I answered this above?  LMK if not.

  13.   On 4/4/2025 at 4:04 PM, Hallia said:

    maybe it was just in my head then lolme

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    Can you see how this is concerning to me? You're voting for your top sketch read but you don't say that when you put the vote on????

     

      On 4/4/2025 at 4:04 PM, Verbal32 said:

     

    Huh?

     

    I assume this was supposed to say "I wanna win with the town", right?

     

    If so, did Turin just spew himself 3rd party?  What am I missing here?

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      On 4/4/2025 at 4:05 PM, Hallia said:

    ope

     

    if so then i was right and he isn't a wolf lol

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      On 4/4/2025 at 4:08 PM, Verbal32 said:

    Gonna put Turin against the ropes, here.  If 3p, we need to remove ASAP.  If I'm misinterpreting something, then I'm willing to listen and revise the impression I just got from that post.

     

    Vote: Turin

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    WTF is even this discussion? 

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