DEMONOLOGY - GAME THREAD

[Lenlo]

Well I know for a fact your wrong on me, so theres that 1%. Your correct in that survivors dont get to live because I dont trust them. No one should honestly.

 

For the hell of it though, tell us who the wolves are. Im pretty sure your gonna be wrong, but should be fun.

[Zander?]

 

 

Car salesmen are people too Zander

 

Color me offended

Wolves arent real people imo.

 

I mean we can continue this dance of soft sussing me (Shad included) or you can sack up and accept that if I'm a wolf you're not gonna catch me D1 or just tell the voice in your head to shut up and see if we lynch some wolves

 

I'd go with the second option imo

Ill go with the third option.

 

Zander gonna Zander

 

Im not tunneling on you...yet....so if youre Town bare and work with me.

 

If youre Scum please continue.

Continue what?

 

Your first reason to vote me was because I wasn't posting

 

Now I am. So your reason for still thinking me scum is ??

 

 

I dont trust you yet is what Im saying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Current Vote Count:

 

John Snow (6) - AJ, dice, Nolder, honeyBooBoo, Darthe, Hermes

Hermes (1) - John Snow

AJ (1) - Zander

Krak (1) - NB

Shad (1) - Leelou

Lenlo (1) - Tiinker

Leelou (1) - Shad

 

With 21 players, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: January 7th, Saturday, 6 PM EST.

 

Lack of a counterwagon is not a good sign early D1 imo.

 

Imma catch up and see if I want to move my vote or not but Im not a fan of no other real wagon tho.

 

Not a bad point.

Let's force Kaylee to vote for someone.

 

Unvote

Vote Kaylee

 

 

You still didnt tell me why you voted for john snow ffs, why kay Nolder?

 

For pressure to vote?

 

Seems kinda weak imo

I didn't see you ask, sorry.

I voted John to get a bigger train going.

 

Kaylee I remembered earlier saying she wasn't voting because she didn't have a good read on anyone or something like that and I thought ok well it's been awhile and she should have a better idea by now or she might be stalling so maybe a vote or two will nudge her into a decision.

 

 

Your willingness to seemingly vote anyone is not a good look imo.

[Shad_]

I tell you the names of the mafia, you'll still string me endgame up b/c "What if he's actually scum?!?!?"

This is only an issue if we don't win first, no?

[John Snow]

Well I know for a fact your wrong on me, so theres that 1%. Your correct in that survivors dont get to live because I dont trust them. No one should honestly.

 

For the hell of it though, tell us who the wolves are. Im pretty sure your gonna be wrong, but should be fun.

 

You're not scum. I was wrong. 

[Zander?]

I don't see JC as scum here. 

 

 

Pre-deep dive observations has my not willing to lynch pile at: 

 

David

Tress

JC

JiF

Zander 

Tink

 

Looking deeper into everyone else after I get some sleep. 

 

And where are Krak, Amega, Crushlove, and Pral?? Combined they only have like 25 posts. 

 

Can you give some reasons for any of these please?!?!?!?!

[Nynaeve]

Current Vote Count:

 

John Snow (5) - AJ, dice, honeyBooBoo, Darthe, Hermes

Lenlo (3) - John Snow, Zander, Kaylee

Shad (2) - Leelou, NB

Leelou (1) - Shad

 

 

With 21 players, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

 

[John Snow]

 

I tell you the names of the mafia, you'll still string me endgame up b/c "What if he's actually scum?!?!?"

This is only an issue if we don't win first, no?

 

 

I don't have all 5 scum, and DM has a track record of killing survivors just to be safe. 

[Lenlo]

Give us some names snow. Far as I can tell, the reasons for stringing you up arnt all that great, its just the best everyone has got. The Symp comment and my own issues with the Zander push really arnt that big a deal.

 

If we dont have anywhere else to go though, well your the default.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

@1153 game's not going anywhere because

 

Zander 255 Shad_ 134 David Hermes 94 dicetosser1 89 Kaylee 84 Darthe 74 Tiinker 66 Andrej 65 Songstress 44 DreadPirateRoberts 36 Nynaeve 33 BooBoo 32 鲍勃不是我的名字 27 John Snow 27 Verbal32 25 Lenlo 25 Nolder 21 Leelou 12 Krakalakachkn 6 amegakure 5 Pralaya 3 The Crusher 2

BS

 

Most of the top posts are spam and replying to spam ad nasuem.

 

I'm not saying my post count couldn't be higher or I couldn't give more insightful posts, as could many, but the reason the game isn't going anywhere is because no one is willing to stick their neck out, vote someone, and debate it a little. Let alone actually build a train and put some pressure on someone.

 

You want to see some action? Let's build a train.

 

Unvote

 

Vote John Snow

I'll follow. I can smell some of what everyone is stepping when it comes to John. And numerous people are coming out saying they're not going to vote David so I feel like I'm wasting my time.

 

Unvote

Vote John Snow.

 

Lets do sumtin!

Why go to John Snow when you said besides David I pinged you the most JIF??!?!?!!?

I like you and don't want to have to kill you this soon. Jk - I was feeling the reads on Snow at the moment and he had momentum. With the game being this slow, figured it would be wise to get a train going.

 

Whats your read on me?!?!?!?

 

 

 

 

 

*snipped*

 

This is not a saving point btw so idk why you keep repeating it.

 

You had him as your bottom suspect so even without a vote it's pretty clear where your head was at.

 

 

I agree. Would like to know reads from Len now that he's had real time interaction.

 

 

 

 

I have, but he hasnt given any reasons for me being a wolf beyond his reaction to this catchup. Beyond that his sole reason was "Hes afk", when half the game is afk. Now I dont think I am misrepping him. I think what I said, with the quotes I have shown, perfectly support what I have said. Nowhere in there however did I ever say "Snow is a wolf". "Lets lynch Snow". "Vote Snow". All I did was say that it was wolfy and that I didnt like his handleing of Zander in the first half of the game. In response to that, he hops all over me tries to argue semantics and dissect every post I make. The entire time with, what seems to me but im clearly biased in this debate, as a predetermined notion that I am a wolf. Predetermined notions like that are wolfy imo.

Blue's fine.  I mean villagers tunnel villagers too but it's generically fine.  But red, if you want to talk semantics "wolfy" vs "a wolf" is about as petty as it gets mate.  I'm reading this out of context from your actual argument with him but I would safely assume that any player ought to read your list as "Snow is the person I'm most comfortable lynching right now".

 

I'm not sure how relevant that is to your argument with him? but I guess my thinking is if Snow's a villager trying to figure out which of the people voting him is a wolf he has grounds to suspect you.

 

Still want to know what his reason for wanting to lynch you prior to your reads list was though.

 

 

Green: That's how the list came across to me as well. What I'm now curious is where he is at now reads wise. Is anyone else on his radar? Why or why not?

 

 

 

*snipped*

 

 

John Snow.

 

He's pretty obviously the default lynch at this point unless something happens to shake shit up, and we can't CFD or have competing trains come EoD.

 

 

I think if we come together and find someone scummy or at least in everyone's null pile then it's plausible. I haven't voted him yet and will get into that at the bottom of this post.

 

 

I read the back and forth between Snow and Lenlo this evening and am not entirely sure what to think about it.  I don't necessarily think it's a hard bus party, but both of them have struck me as questionable.  

 

Maybe we should just lynch Nolder after all.  

 

I will be around a lot tomorrow before deadline, housework be damned.  Would really like Crusher, Ironeyes, Pral, Krak and Amega to put some more thoughts out there so I can see where they're coming from.

 

Agree with the bold.

 

 

 

Looking at Snow's ISO I see nothing obvious that indicates why/when he started scum reading Lenlo

 

There's just a one-liner that says Snow is putting Lenlo into his WTL

 

There's some people who are going to pretty much afk D1 no matter what, and there's not a lot to be done about it. Lenlo's not one of those people. 

 

The games we've been town together, my head's been in pretty much the same place as his. He's one of the few player I feel like I can confidently read. 

 

So I decided to pressure his slot. Sure, I could've said pressure megacure for being afk, but I've never played with him. I felt like pressuring lenlo into content would help me resolve his slot. 

 

 

Ok I can see that. Snow: What are your current thoughts on possible scum and why?

 

 

Ive been sitting on page 67 for like... 4 hours just to lazy to actually finish it. Ive got a pretty good idea of the thread though.

 

Please share with us your thoughts then. Mainly who do you think we should lynch today and why? Is Snow still your bottom and number 1 or is it now someone else?

 

 

Alright Zander, we are talking, thats good.

 

The pushing or not pushing is a matter of opinion. No fixing that and thus theres no way your going to be able to reconcile my suss of Snow.

 

The catch up post was for the first 40 pages, most of which was fluff and a slog to read through with alot of different people.  So with those in mind, of course its not going to be stupid in depth.

 

There are alot of nulls because theres alot of people with less than 10 posts in this game. Should they be anything other than nulls? I dont see why that ones a problem. You call the list easy to throw together, other people say the list has to many non-nulls/has more reads than they expected. It cant be both.

 

Are you still sus of Snow?

 

 

 

Alright Zander, we are talking, thats good.

 

1. The pushing or not pushing is a matter of opinion. No fixing that and thus theres no way your going to be able to reconcile my suss of Snow.
2. The catch up post was for the first 40 pages, most of which was fluff and a slog to read through with alot of different people.  So with those in mind, of course its not going to be stupid in depth.
3. There are alot of nulls because theres alot of people with less than 10 posts in this game. Should they be anything other than nulls? I dont see why that ones a problem. You call the list easy to throw together, other people say the list has to many non-nulls/has more reads than they expected. It cant be both.

 

1. I agree with its a matter of opinion my issue is I think that you manufacutred a reason so to speak because I personally dont see any way what John said could be taken as an actual push.
2. I get that and Im not saying that I expected something major or epic just more.  Like I expect Town!Len to comment more or have more to share et.
3. Reads list straight read like making one for the sake of making one imo.

 

My read/vote of you isnt locked in or set in stone man.  If youre a Villager youve got time to show me.  This is just where my heads at currently.

 

 

I like this post from Zander. If Len doesn't reveal more of his thoughts, since he's said he's got a feel for the thread now, then my vote is going there. In fact will likely vote there now and can switch if I feel someone else is more likely scum. With the argument that Snow/Len had Snow comes out looking better to me. Snow's train has had no resistance. Those combined have me looking more at Len. (Doesn't mean Snow couldn't be scum with him teammates either not voting or on another train, but it did make me hesitate enough not to vote yesterday).

 

 

 

K, i've halfway coherently caught up and I am confident in there being a wolf beyween Z, shad and AJ.  Really doubt its Z tbh.  Thinking Verbs one.  JS could be, or notbob, and maybe Leelou but not if verb/notbob are I don't think.  

 

That's what I've got so far in terms of wolf reads.  bed time

 

What makes you think theres a WOlf in me/shad/aj?

 

If you dont think its me who is it more likely and why?

 

Could you give some reasons for any of these?

 

Also with the bold. 

 

Why is that?

 

And also I find it a tad ironic you make a associative read like that when you said to JiF you like it more because he was sussing me for doing it fwiw.

 

 

This echos what I was thinking when I read that post from Darthe.

 

 

*snipped*

 

I didn't see you ask, sorry.

I voted John to get a bigger train going.

 

Kaylee I remembered earlier saying she wasn't voting because she didn't have a good read on anyone or something like that and I thought ok well it's been awhile and she should have a better idea by now or she might be stalling so maybe a vote or two will nudge her into a decision.

 

 

I was going to vote yesterday, but hesitated because I was going to vote Snow. The hesitation came when I realized his train had no resistance to it. Nobody, except now Len, has stood out enough for me to get a wolf read on them. I will vote today though.

 

 

Tons of catch up again but that hottie Kaylee does a lot of defending people but seems very hesitant to take a stance. Just an observation worth noting.

 

I defend people when I feel they're being misrepped. I hate when it's done to me so if things can get cleared up then I try to help do that. I've explained more than once why I've been hesitant to take a stance before now.

 

 

Copied this from above to make sure it doesn't get missed: If Len doesn't reveal more of his thoughts, since he's said he's got a feel for the thread now, then my vote is going there. In fact will likely vote there now and can switch if I feel someone else is more likely scum. With the argument that Snow/Len had Snow comes out looking better to me. Snow's train has had no resistance. Those combined have me looking more at Len. (Doesn't mean Snow couldn't be scum with him teammates either not voting or on another train, but it did make me hesitate enough not to vote yesterday).

 

 

With my thoughts out there and caught up I'll   Vote Len

 

 

These are a lot of "i agree" type posts or general comments and a vote after people have been calling out people for not voting.

 

Couple that with her weird defense/answering for Tress is a little concerning imo.

[Tiinker]

ZANDER SNIP THE QUOTES MAN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

[Zander?]

@Kaylee

 

I was going to vote yesterday, but hesitated because I was going to vote Snow. The hesitation came when I realized his train had no resistance to it. Nobody, except now Len, has stood out enough for me to get a wolf read on them. I will vote today though.

Mmmm I see. Well that's either a lie or just an unlucky coincidence that the person you were going to vote had a quick train build on them I guess. If you thought you had good reason to vote him though I'm not very sure why it would matter. Maybe you didn't have that good a reason though, I don't know.

 

Either way I'll take it for what it is. For now.

 

Unvote

 

 

I don't really see why Lenlo has a train on him but I think two competing trains is the way to go here.

 

Vote Lenlo

 

Im not sure wtf Nolder is doing?!!?!?!?!

[Tiinker]

vote Leelou

[Zander?]

On phone atm. To save some time on this farce of a train, I am a member of THE ORDER. I am Town. Theres a reason I was responding to all of Zanders "I order this" and "Thats an order" comments, cause I thought he was hinting he was one to.

 

Dunno who other team members are. If we find each other we get a QT together and basically become masons. Also got a 2x weapons investigate, so submit name and get back whether or not they have a weapon. Dunno what that means. Probably a "Does this person have a kill" "Y/N". Most likely wont give anything about them being town or not.

 

This is why I was believing Davids claim because I wouldnt be surprised if there was more than one kind of set like this.

 

Back to work. This entire train is built off "Snow came out better in an argument so Len must be a wolf" and "Counter trains!"

 

UNVOTE

 

SORRY FRAND

 

THIS WAS VERY UNORDERLY ME

 

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[Tiinker]

 

6 hours til deadline. JS claim for us plz. 

 

I'm a JoaT Survivor. Which means I lose. 

 

Pretty sure I've solved most of the setup, and I've got 2 99% scum and 2 70% scum. Problem is it doesn't matter. There's no world in which I live to endgame. 

 

I tell you the names of the mafia, you'll still string me endgame up b/c "What if he's actually scum?!?!?"

 

I string you guys along giving you one name a day and I'll be NK'd. 

 

I fake a faction, and I'll probably get outed and lynched as scum. 

 

In other words, when you're a survivor, just AFK b/c no one cares about lynching any of them. 

 

GG see you guys in the dead thread to see how much I got right. 

 

 

Or you could just give us everything now. You revealing you've know something you just painted the target above your own freaking head. What's the point of holding onto that info now that you've gone and said that??? 

[John Snow]

Give us some names snow. Far as I can tell, the reasons for stringing you up arnt all that great, its just the best everyone has got. The Symp comment and my own issues with the Zander push really arnt that big a deal.

 

If we dont have anywhere else to go though, well your the default.

 

Meh. I don't live to endgame and I'd just as soon see how much I'm right. The second I run out of names, or, god forbid am wrong, I get lynched. 

 

And I'll prob get vigged b/c "I'm deepwolfing it"

[Zander?]

I don't have too badger you guys to read me if you have to question my posts.

 

Verb I posted my rationale on earlier, when he made that post I tore apart. Him and leelou arent interacting remotely the same as that game where I lynched dice at lylo and they were wolves together, ergo I dont think they are together. That said, I find both of them wolfy (leelous been hashed over as well) so I bet one of them is a wolf, and id honestly lean verb right now for his opportunism. The notbob bit was just because I dont think those three have talked at all, and they would have by now. They know each other too well not to.

 

As for z shad aj my moneys on AJ, but I know its just damn unlikely that more than one of them is a wolf considering their activity, probability, etc. Beyond that, my read really isnt an associative one its just where I threw three names of people im working on together to see what theyd say. So far, its about par for what I expected.

 

Ok thank you.

 

I disagree with the last part but fair enough.

 

Im agreeing with you irt Verb/Leelou tho i  still think both COULD be Wolves

 

I feel worse about Leelou.

[John Snow]

 

 

6 hours til deadline. JS claim for us plz. 

 

I'm a JoaT Survivor. Which means I lose. 

 

Pretty sure I've solved most of the setup, and I've got 2 99% scum and 2 70% scum. Problem is it doesn't matter. There's no world in which I live to endgame. 

 

I tell you the names of the mafia, you'll still string me endgame up b/c "What if he's actually scum?!?!?"

 

I string you guys along giving you one name a day and I'll be NK'd. 

 

I fake a faction, and I'll probably get outed and lynched as scum. 

 

In other words, when you're a survivor, just AFK b/c no one cares about lynching any of them. 

 

GG see you guys in the dead thread to see how much I got right. 

 

 

Or you could just give us everything now. You revealing you've know something you just painted the target above your own freaking head. What's the point of holding onto that info now that you've gone and said that??? 

 

 

Saying postgame "I figured it out now. This is the point at which I solved the game."

 

I want to win. I don't see a world in which I win. So I'll take whatever small victories I can get. 

[Zander?]

Also, who thinks the "Dont draw symbols in your own blood or call demons" rule needs to be tested? Like Hoofs Cthulu game? Cause im game to try. That crap was funny.

 

You should write my name in blood tonight imo.

[Songstress]

 

I don't have too badger you guys to read me if you have to question my posts.

 

Verb I posted my rationale on earlier, when he made that post I tore apart. Him and leelou arent interacting remotely the same as that game where I lynched dice at lylo and they were wolves together, ergo I dont think they are together. That said, I find both of them wolfy (leelous been hashed over as well) so I bet one of them is a wolf, and id honestly lean verb right now for his opportunism. The notbob bit was just because I dont think those three have talked at all, and they would have by now. They know each other too well not to.

 

As for z shad aj my moneys on AJ, but I know its just damn unlikely that more than one of them is a wolf considering their activity, probability, etc. Beyond that, my read really isnt an associative one its just where I threw three names of people im working on together to see what theyd say. So far, its about par for what I expected.

 

Ok thank you.

 

I disagree with the last part but fair enough.

 

Im agreeing with you irt Verb/Leelou tho i  still think both COULD be Wolves

 

I feel worse about Leelou.

 

 

And I feel much worse about Verb.

[Tiinker]

 

Give us some names snow. Far as I can tell, the reasons for stringing you up arnt all that great, its just the best everyone has got. The Symp comment and my own issues with the Zander push really arnt that big a deal.

 

If we dont have anywhere else to go though, well your the default.

 

Meh. I don't live to endgame and I'd just as soon see how much I'm right. The second I run out of names, or, god forbid am wrong, I get lynched. 

 

And I'll prob get vigged b/c "I'm deepwolfing it"

 

 

Lol @ this. This is an adv game, you can be consensus non-scum without having to die. And yes, if you are wrong than yeah you're going to be lynched unless you can somehow prove otherwise most likely. But if you're 99% sure then why are you worrying about it. If you give us scum then why would we lynch you afterwards? It'd be a waste of a day and there will be bigger fish to fry.

[Tiinker]

 

 

 

6 hours til deadline. JS claim for us plz. 

 

I'm a JoaT Survivor. Which means I lose. 

 

Pretty sure I've solved most of the setup, and I've got 2 99% scum and 2 70% scum. Problem is it doesn't matter. There's no world in which I live to endgame. 

 

I tell you the names of the mafia, you'll still string me endgame up b/c "What if he's actually scum?!?!?"

 

I string you guys along giving you one name a day and I'll be NK'd. 

 

I fake a faction, and I'll probably get outed and lynched as scum. 

 

In other words, when you're a survivor, just AFK b/c no one cares about lynching any of them. 

 

GG see you guys in the dead thread to see how much I got right. 

 

 

Or you could just give us everything now. You revealing you've know something you just painted the target above your own freaking head. What's the point of holding onto that info now that you've gone and said that??? 

 

 

Saying postgame "I figured it out now. This is the point at which I solved the game."

 

I want to win. I don't see a world in which I win. So I'll take whatever small victories I can get. 

 

 

Doesn't sound like you want to win at all.

[Lenlo]

 

On phone atm. To save some time on this farce of a train, I am a member of THE ORDER. I am Town. Theres a reason I was responding to all of Zanders "I order this" and "Thats an order" comments, cause I thought he was hinting he was one to.

 

Dunno who other team members are. If we find each other we get a QT together and basically become masons. Also got a 2x weapons investigate, so submit name and get back whether or not they have a weapon. Dunno what that means. Probably a "Does this person have a kill" "Y/N". Most likely wont give anything about them being town or not.

 

This is why I was believing Davids claim because I wouldnt be surprised if there was more than one kind of set like this.

 

Back to work. This entire train is built off "Snow came out better in an argument so Len must be a wolf" and "Counter trains!"

 

UNVOTE

 

SORRY FRAND

 

THIS WAS VERY UNORDERLY ME

 

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

 

ITS COOL BOO THE ORDER FORGIVES YOU.

 

Simple solution Snow? GOAT it up and dont be wrong

[Shad_]

Ok well, you still want to win. Everyone wants to win. Whatever you're doing, I would wager you've figured it is your best chance to stay alive.

 

So we make sure that's not the case.

 

Unvote Vote Snow

 

Info plz

[Leelou]

 

I don't have too badger you guys to read me if you have to question my posts.

 

Verb I posted my rationale on earlier, when he made that post I tore apart. Him and leelou arent interacting remotely the same as that game where I lynched dice at lylo and they were wolves together, ergo I dont think they are together. That said, I find both of them wolfy (leelous been hashed over as well) so I bet one of them is a wolf, and id honestly lean verb right now for his opportunism. The notbob bit was just because I dont think those three have talked at all, and they would have by now. They know each other too well not to.

 

As for z shad aj my moneys on AJ, but I know its just damn unlikely that more than one of them is a wolf considering their activity, probability, etc. Beyond that, my read really isnt an associative one its just where I threw three names of people im working on together to see what theyd say. So far, its about par for what I expected.

 

Ok thank you.

 

I disagree with the last part but fair enough.

 

Im agreeing with you irt Verb/Leelou tho i  still think both COULD be Wolves

 

I feel worse about Leelou.

 

 

 Ya know, I can't wait for the alts tonight. I absolutely hate being read against Verbal and whatever interactions we may or may not have. I'm really to the point I'm almost never going to play a game with him because it's not fun.  

 

And I have reasons for my reads, but I'm more inclined to keep them to myself for now. 

[Leelou]

 

 

I don't have too badger you guys to read me if you have to question my posts.

 

Verb I posted my rationale on earlier, when he made that post I tore apart. Him and leelou arent interacting remotely the same as that game where I lynched dice at lylo and they were wolves together, ergo I dont think they are together. That said, I find both of them wolfy (leelous been hashed over as well) so I bet one of them is a wolf, and id honestly lean verb right now for his opportunism. The notbob bit was just because I dont think those three have talked at all, and they would have by now. They know each other too well not to.

 

As for z shad aj my moneys on AJ, but I know its just damn unlikely that more than one of them is a wolf considering their activity, probability, etc. Beyond that, my read really isnt an associative one its just where I threw three names of people im working on together to see what theyd say. So far, its about par for what I expected.

 

Ok thank you.

 

I disagree with the last part but fair enough.

 

Im agreeing with you irt Verb/Leelou tho i  still think both COULD be Wolves

 

I feel worse about Leelou.

 

 

And I feel much worse about Verb.

 

 

Likewise. 

 

I'm not the key, but I'm still looking to unlocking everything.