Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Eldrick4221]

Going now. Posting this and turning off my screen.

[Zander?]

 

I asked Notbob why he thought that copping us is a bad idea, because nobody else seems to care what he does.

 

Because I was the one to ask, his response was to "respond to his scum read" by accusing me of being gf.

 

Not at all helpful. Why would he not want a scum read to be viewed? This makes no sense. Yes, a gf would counter it, but if one is on the game the other 2 non-towns would come up as such.

 

This logic makes 0 sense. Can someone else ask him so we can get a real answer?

 

Or, you know, ask him anything. Talk about him. Stop ignoring the slot.

 

Or just lynch him. That works too. He is probably scum.

And just before posting that you had posted this, which really is not very good. You're talking about potential gf mechanics invalidating nbs read since we don't know what is in the game and that's actually fair, but that's the guy you're voting and you don't use that against him or even dai it looks bad on him, you just complain that others aren't looking at it and ask people to do your work for you.

 

To me, that's a giant red flag and I don't see how a townie does that in your place.

 

 

But there cant be a GF iirc

[Darthe]

 

K I'm done with this for now, I wanna look in to calder, shad, that laya post, and cass some. Elseicjs just taking too much conversation and I'm not progressing for it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. That is messed up to doubt me.

 

I am PC, Arizona State.

Thats not a doubts list, just people whove been around that I didnt give enough mind to. Id hate to not pay you attention

[Ironeyes]

Hmmm. So while I'm thinking about the setup and reading it carefully, it looks like the town roles can actually give us a clue as to what the mafia did. They had a choice to refuse all roles in exchange for keeping the town all vanilla, but that can't have happened because I'm an IC. So at least one of the four options was exercised, and if someone else has a town PR then two of them. I guess that isn't too useful now is it. 

[Shad_]

@Shad (I think)

 

I'm not saying that scum!Zander doesn't react to being accused of being scum, but I attribute the snap omgus vote to a scum read as a town!Zander move. Am I wrong in doing so?

Scum!Z struggles to

 

Pretty confident he is capable of chucking a reactionary vote on someone...

[Cass]

 

Umofficial Vote Count 1.125

Zander (2) - Dice, Random

Sock (3) - NotBob, Calder, Zander

Random (1) - Darthe

Amega (1) - Cass

NotBob (1) - Sock

Not voting: Marsh, Pralaya, Shad, Amega

7 to lynch

14 hours, 28 mins til deadline (link didn't copy)

 

 

 

[unvote][V] sock [/v]

 

 

I dont really like how this train is building...

 

[unvote]

 

Still time left before DL.

You don't like NB / Calder?

Or something else?

[Shad_]

If you read carefully, the mafia can only "cash in" on the traitor before day one starts. Zander was acting as if the traitor needed to signal the mafia ITT to be recruited, which can't happen. So the idea is if Z were mafia or the traitor, he'd already know that can't happen any more.

 

Yes.

 

And he seemed to think that the Mafia was still looking for their recruit.

 

Which said to me that he wasn't aware of how the mechanic worked, which he would be if he was scum.

I take it for granted the Mafia don't know who the symp is or else the symp doesn't know who the Mafia is. Otherwise it's just a goon without QT access.

[Zander?]

 

As a hydra, and especially one who lives 9 hours apart, we need time to communicate. 

 

Him not moving our vote was to get me on board with what he wanted to do, before he did it, because last time he voted without my knowledge I flipped out. 

 

If THAT is what makes you vote us, then idk what to say.

 

Also Eldrick's behavior this game, is that something ANY of you associate with his scum game?

 

What about my posts and behavior? Is this my scum game?

 

I've previously voiced my opinion on the whole snap-vote with Sock and the ensuing fallout, but this post gave me another thought. This is likely just WIFOM, but I haven't slept yet so it's what I've got at the moment: 

 

The one consistency with Sooh and Eldrick so far has been how differently they're both reacting to things and even voting. It seems to me that players in a hydra who are as active as both members of Sock might be spending a bit more time keeping things on the same page if they were scum. Wolf hunting, especially on D1, is chaotic at best when town - you don't trust anyone and you want to find mafia wherever they may be. Constant activity that can so easily construed as contradictory, as in the snap vote or how people have had such different reads on each member individually throughout D1, seems like something they'd like be keeping better under wraps if they also had to answer to mafia members. Of course, this could be the result of a planned gambit, but the more I've sat and thought about this tonight, the more it strikes me as the play of flailing townies who made some awkward posts and have drawn a LOT of pressure. I know I've been linked to them and Dice at different times, but I'm going to be honest about what I see and think, even if it puts me under suspicion as well. 

 

 

@ Random where things stand I might vote you tomorrow. Good idea y/n?

 

Very much not a good idea. 

 

 

 

Yeah, you quoted me crediting you with making a joke. You omitted all the times I said that doesn't equal an admission that you were right.

 

Dude you straight up said I didnt say stuff and i straight up proved I did.

 

Are you denying this?

 

 

After careful consideration, I've decided to back off from you, and say a few things: First, I'm going to admit that you did indeed point out some things I hadn't seen you say previously. I disagree with the seriousness of your mentioning the potential traitor, but you DID say it. I can't deny that. Second, because I've only played one game with you and you were IC who lasted the whole game, I thought I had a better idea of how you played as town than I apparently do, and I've let meta from that game affect too much of my opinion of you so far in this game. I admit that's pretty hypocritical of me, so I'm going to do my best to avoid that moving forward. Third, the way you responded to my questions did indeed frustrate me, and if one of us does not end up lynched (and if you're indeed town), moving forward I'll pledge to ensure I read/comprehend your posts more thoroughly if you can please just answer a question (even as a short simple answer) if it's posed going forward. Even if you feel you've answered a question before, sometimes asking a question at a different point in the game or asking it in a different way can provide more information, and that's all I try to do when asking questions - get information. 

 

unvote

 

All that being said, I really don't know what my next move is yet. Darthe's posts have seemed exactly in line with his town play last game, I don't feel like Sock is a good D1 lynch, we still have people with ridiculously low post counts and we're dangerously close to deadline, and just about everyone has 2-3 people they like as town, and 2-3 people they like as scum, with far too little overlap. Amega and Pral have 7 posts between them, and it's entirely likely we're all just chasing our tails at this point, since the setup does allow for the possibility of there only being 2 true scum (if they didn't recruit traitor).

 

Given everything, I think my vote is best spent putting pressure on one of the absentees, although I will consider a consolidation vote to avoid a random lynch (or to try and gain information from their flip) if it comes to that (and if we're lacking any form of consensus when deadline arrives), but in a game this intense I'd rather keep a few people around that have drawn suspicion than give a free pass to lurkers of that caliber. 

 

vote Pralaya

 

 

[v] Random [/v]

 

This reads less to me like you ACTUALLY reconsidered a read on me and more like you REALIZED a Zander lynch want happening.

[Cass]

 

 

@Cass

I wasnt joking with my Zander question. Just played last game where he tunneled on Kat, who was town, with so many outted scum in thread. I expect him to tunnel. I dont agree that his tunnel will be thrown aside in the face of new evidence when he is town. I just saw it not be the case.

 

Ok

wording of your post strikes me as odd, but the logic of Zander's Town tunnels being hard to follow/see as Town makes sense.

It's effectively a question of how long and how obscurely he tunnels.

It's pretty much always long and maybe obscure if you're not ENFP/Zanderbraintwin but Scum Zander typically is more extreme in both aspects. So far imo.

I dunno, cause his tunnel last game was really insane, and he was confirmed town.

pls go read our mislynch on Darthe as Town hydra in whatever game is last in my database.

 

sorry for brevity, pulling up at job

[Calder]

 

 

K I'm done with this for now, I wanna look in to calder, shad, that laya post, and cass some. Elseicjs just taking too much conversation and I'm not progressing for it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. That is messed up to doubt me.

I am PC, Arizona State.

Thats not a doubts list, just people whove been around that I didnt give enough mind to. Id hate to not pay you attention

Oh okay. As long as this is a safe space for me its ok.

 

[Ironeyes]

 

If you read carefully, the mafia can only "cash in" on the traitor before day one starts. Zander was acting as if the traitor needed to signal the mafia ITT to be recruited, which can't happen. So the idea is if Z were mafia or the traitor, he'd already know that can't happen any more.

 

Yes.

 

And he seemed to think that the Mafia was still looking for their recruit.

 

Which said to me that he wasn't aware of how the mechanic worked, which he would be if he was scum.

I take it for granted the Mafia don't know who the symp is or else the symp doesn't know who the Mafia is. Otherwise it's just a goon without QT access.

 

The traitor knows who the mafia are, and has a BPV, assuming he/she wasn't recruited. The mafia have no idea who the traitor is. 

[Zander?]

 

Just so you know random, Pral basically doesn't play d1. He gets going later.

 

Pressure there will probably do nothing.

While I appreciate the additional info, it's maddening that A: people do that, B: people accept it, and C: it keeps them from getting lynched. If a day in mafia was 24 hours, it'd be understandable. But he's had three days and posted twice.

 

But thats the game I guess

 

 

Why not Amega then?!?!?!

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

@Cass

I wasnt joking with my Zander question. Just played last game where he tunneled on Kat, who was town, with so many outted scum in thread. I expect him to tunnel. I dont agree that his tunnel will be thrown aside in the face of new evidence when he is town. I just saw it not be the case.

Ok

wording of your post strikes me as odd, but the logic of Zander's Town tunnels being hard to follow/see as Town makes sense.

It's effectively a question of how long and how obscurely he tunnels.

It's pretty much always long and maybe obscure if you're not ENFP/Zanderbraintwin but Scum Zander typically is more extreme in both aspects. So far imo.

I dunno, cause his tunnel last game was really insane, and he was confirmed town.

pls go read our mislynch on Darthe as Town hydra in whatever game is last in my database.

 

sorry for brevity, pulling up at job

 

Talking about Tarmon Gaidon? Yeah I was there, on the chopping block right next to Darthe. I still think Zander was crazier in Final Fantasy

[Zander?]

 

Only reason I'm against voting amega right now is what if we lynch them and are wrong?

 

What would that accomplish?

I considered that, but I personally don't see enough connecting players to learn much from any D1 lynch other than what the selected player flips. A lot of people do contribute a lot more when D2 begins, but isn't having 2 or even 5 total posts at this point pretty detrimental to town? Especially in a game where it could be only two people on the scum team?

 

 

He said early even if i wasnt Scum I was bad Town and I needed to be lynched.

 

And here again its well who cares if theyre not Scum theyre just a detriment to Town so who cares.

 

Townies shouldnt want to lynch other Townies imo.

[Shad_]

The traitor knows who the mafia are, and has a BPV, assuming he/she wasn't recruited. The mafia have no idea who the traitor is.

So the traitor typically sets off some sort of signal to clue the wolves in on who their third is. Doesn't mean I buy into the Eldrick symp theory at all but it's not a crazy thing for a villager to look for.

[Darthe]

 

I would really like to see a full reads list with reasoning.

 

Youve been posting but Im not feeling it from you yet.

 

No genuine frustration or confusion, Im not seeing those really strong questions/probes/comments yet that me go WOW never thought o fit like that.

 

And its a little worrisome.

I haven't been frustrated because I'm controlling my play time better and people aren't grilling me for stupid reasons. It's quite refreshing actually.

 

Cass is fine Dice is probably fine you've looked a lot better than you did in the first 24 hours. Darthe's apathetic which is annoying but typical for his town game. NotBob's been a lot more active than his last wolf game.

 

I stand by Sooh's tone being villagery but it's a lot harder for me to read her when she's being defensive and I hope to see scum hunting in the posts I've yet to read.

 

amega and Pral don't exist.

 

Felt like Random has been misrepping things and I'm curious how Calder responded to my question irt his Eldrick/Sooh reads.

 

Need to focus on reading more talking less.

I dont know why im being called apathetic, im here and working on reads pretty actively

[Ironeyes]

 

The traitor knows who the mafia are, and has a BPV, assuming he/she wasn't recruited. The mafia have no idea who the traitor is.

So the traitor typically sets off some sort of signal to clue the wolves in on who their third is. Doesn't mean I buy into the Eldrick symp theory at all but it's not a crazy thing for a villager to look for.

 

It's not crazy at all, you're right. We should be looking for a signal. I just mean that Zander was assuming the signal was in order to be recruited, which isn't possible. That's the mistake he made, not looking for a signal. 

[Calder]

 

 

Only reason I'm against voting amega right now is what if we lynch them and are wrong?

What would that accomplish?

 

I considered that, but I personally don't see enough connecting players to learn much from any D1 lynch other than what the selected player flips. A lot of people do contribute a lot more when D2 begins, but isn't having 2 or even 5 total posts at this point pretty detrimental to town? Especially in a game where it could be only two people on the scum team?

 

He said early even if i wasnt Scum I was bad Town and I needed to be lynched.

 

And here again its well who cares if theyre not Scum theyre just a detriment to Town so who cares.

 

Townies shouldnt want to lynch other Townies imo.

Wait...town doesnt want to lynch other town?

 

My whole world is collapsing.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 1.14

 

Zander (1) - Dice

Sock (2) - Calder, Darthe

Amega (1) - Cass

Not Bob (2) - Sock, Marsh

Pralaya (1) - Random

Random (1) - Zander

 

Not voting: Pralaya, Shad, Amega, Not Bob

 

7 to lynch

 

D1 Countdown

[Zander?]

Need more from Amega, but going with possible scum here aorn. ISOs from 2 most recent Town and 2 most recent Scum games from the database suggest noticeably lower activity as scum and jokier starts than when Town, both of which are what seemed off to me initially here.

 

There really wasn't much content here when Amega entered/was posting so ehhhh but there's plenty now.

 

There are 42 games listed under Amega's name in the database and ISOs show analysis and reads being made, so there goes my concern they were maybe a new player psyched out or not knowing how to start.

 

Can't get ISO links to work here. Ftr games looked at were

 

Scum:

Mass Effect

 

Disney

 

Town:

Godzilla

 

Mistborn

 

Cass why do I find you signalling out Amega to feel very weird.

 

You voted her before THEN you build a case on her???

[Darthe]

 

 

I asked Notbob why he thought that copping us is a bad idea, because nobody else seems to care what he does.

 

Because I was the one to ask, his response was to "respond to his scum read" by accusing me of being gf.

 

Not at all helpful. Why would he not want a scum read to be viewed? This makes no sense. Yes, a gf would counter it, but if one is on the game the other 2 non-towns would come up as such.

 

This logic makes 0 sense. Can someone else ask him so we can get a real answer?

 

Or, you know, ask him anything. Talk about him. Stop ignoring the slot.

 

Or just lynch him. That works too. He is probably scum.

And just before posting that you had posted this, which really is not very good. You're talking about potential gf mechanics invalidating nbs read since we don't know what is in the game and that's actually fair, but that's the guy you're voting and you don't use that against him or even dai it looks bad on him, you just complain that others aren't looking at it and ask people to do your work for you.

 

To me, that's a giant red flag and I don't see how a townie does that in your place.

But there cant be a GF iirc

That doesnt really invalidate that they were having a discussion about it, bit i need to read this setup.

[Darthe]

 

 

Only reason I'm against voting amega right now is what if we lynch them and are wrong?

 

What would that accomplish?

I considered that, but I personally don't see enough connecting players to learn much from any D1 lynch other than what the selected player flips. A lot of people do contribute a lot more when D2 begins, but isn't having 2 or even 5 total posts at this point pretty detrimental to town? Especially in a game where it could be only two people on the scum team?

He said early even if i wasnt Scum I was bad Town and I needed to be lynched.

 

And here again its well who cares if theyre not Scum theyre just a detriment to Town so who cares.

 

Townies shouldnt want to lynch other Townies imo.

What he said is super weird. Are you town reading him?

[Calder]

Random did feel significantly more involved last game. That path could be legit.

[Zander?]

Random thoughts that keep getting interrupted by jobs @work:

 

Eldrick jumped second onto Monstr (Town) and Shad (I have gap since yesterday but ?Town) without Sooh's approval/consensus, but in between was vocal about/focused on not voting NotBob without her input.

 

@Eldrick - why? /what was reasoning for snap voting Shad?

 

 

Random's latest backtrack off Zander is well considered and explained. Could be Towny but ?timing and on ISO there's a level of inconsistency in the amount of consideration he (doesn't) afford Zander compared to other players throughout - Monstr, Eldrick/Sooh, at around the same time itt iirc. Atp I see clear reasons why this could be scummy and no clear reason why there'd be that difference from Town.

 

This is a lot of words to end up at what seems like Null imo.

[Zander?]

 

The people I am having trouble reading are Darthe and calder. Annoyingly they think I'm scum, so I expect talking to them would be as to a brick wall.

Already proven with Darthe. Not attempted with calder.

Why would you think that?

 

Not only have I interacted with your Hydra partner consistently, but also made it clear my vote could move if sold.

 

I actually find it odd that you have not really responded at all to me earlier in the phase when I have taken issue with you.

 

It is giving me an odd vibe that Sooh might have told you to hold back and let her be the one to talk with me.

 

 

I can see Town hydra doing this as well, iirc me and cass did this exact thing in TG