Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Pralaya]

 

 

 

And, he is not getting a pass. The only town I have is zander

 

Youve flipped flopped on me all game you Sum read me when I was getting the most Suss and Town when the least....

 

I wonder why that is...????

 

 

I had you as scum earlier but as the game progressed, I have seen actions that make you town. I have been transparent on all the cases why I thought you were town (you would just have to look at my posts). In fact, where I am not sure, I have been pretty much open if I am unsure of any read.  It has nothing to do with how you were perceived - in fact, I was one of the first to think you were scum when I suspected you. 

 

Just so you know, changing reads as game progresses, is NOT necessarily a scum trait. 

 

 

 

It's not a scum trait at all.

 

And not his point. His issue was the timing of the read changes, not the changes themselves.

 

(Too lazy to fact check if they changed with the flow of the thread like he claims)

 

Timing is in part.

 

But its also the fact that you went to a Scum!Zander PoV for faking/emotion etc first when you wanted to Scum read me and now its just im sure hes Town.  That find of flip is not a natural progression imo. 

 

 

Huh? Why is not a natural progression? You didn't even have any heat when I had that observation. If I wanted to read as scum, I could havefound various reasons to do so.. That would have been unnatural. This is just based on what actions happened in the game and I have detailed each of those during the times I had a change in read. 

[dicetosser1]

You are seeing everything in black and white. That is the problem

 

Pral fess up. you are 3rd party arnt you??

 

 

 

Btw dice, your reason for wanting to vote Pral was terribad. His vig soft claim wasn't scummy in the slightest.

 

why isnt he dead eldrick? and his response when i asked about it was not towny at all

[Pralaya]

 

 

Now my other question.

 

You have bfg as scum. Who is she scum with and why?

I an still figuring it out. Both you and dice makes sense. Darthe less so. Zander, no way.

 

 

Why cant i be Scum here iyo?

 

 

Mainly to do with the D3 lynch where me and Cass were tied in votes. I was scumreading BFG and was also suspecting you. If BFG and you were scum together, you could have easily voted me instead of Cass and not even got any heat for it. Like Dice did, for example. But, you stuck with Cass and that was what sealed it. 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Now my other question.

 

You have bfg as scum. Who is she scum with and why?

I an still figuring it out. Both you and dice makes sense. Darthe less so. Zander, no way.

 

 

Why cant i be Scum here iyo?

 

 

Mainly to do with the D3 lynch where me and Cass were tied in votes. I was scumreading BFG and was also suspecting you. If BFG and you were scum together, you could have easily voted me instead of Cass and not even got any heat for it. Like Dice did, for example. But, you stuck with Cass and that was what sealed it. 

 

 

But if thats the case shouldnt the conclusion just have been me and bfg werent w/w?!?!?!?!

[Pralaya]

 

You are seeing everything in black and white. That is the problem

Pral fess up. you are 3rd party arnt you??

 

 

Btw dice, your reason for wanting to vote Pral was terribad. His vig soft claim wasn't scummy in the slightest.

why isnt he dead eldrick? and his response when i asked about it was not towny at all

Umm, maybe because the scum knows that there is no vig?

[Eldrick4221]

 

Btw dice, your reason for wanting to vote Pral was terribad. His vig soft claim wasn't scummy in the slightest.

why isnt he dead eldrick? and his response when i asked about it was not towny at all

So your issue is because he lived, not because he did it. That makes more sense.

 

My guess for him being alive is they knew he was lying, because a) they know there aren't any more PRs or b) because he's scum.

 

That you assumed b) because he lived is bad.

 

 

But I agree that his response sucked.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

And, he is not getting a pass. The only town I have is zander

 

Youve flipped flopped on me all game you Sum read me when I was getting the most Suss and Town when the least....

 

I wonder why that is...????

 

 

I had you as scum earlier but as the game progressed, I have seen actions that make you town. I have been transparent on all the cases why I thought you were town (you would just have to look at my posts). In fact, where I am not sure, I have been pretty much open if I am unsure of any read.  It has nothing to do with how you were perceived - in fact, I was one of the first to think you were scum when I suspected you. 

 

Just so you know, changing reads as game progresses, is NOT necessarily a scum trait. 

 

 

 

It's not a scum trait at all.

 

And not his point. His issue was the timing of the read changes, not the changes themselves.

 

(Too lazy to fact check if they changed with the flow of the thread like he claims)

 

Timing is in part.

 

But its also the fact that you went to a Scum!Zander PoV for faking/emotion etc first when you wanted to Scum read me and now its just im sure hes Town.  That find of flip is not a natural progression imo. 

 

 

Huh? Why is not a natural progression? You didn't even have any heat when I had that observation. If I wanted to read as scum, I could havefound various reasons to do so.. That would have been unnatural. This is just based on what actions happened in the game and I have detailed each of those during the times I had a change in read. 

 

 

Off the top of my head:

 

Cass, Dice Iron and maybe Random iirc were all sussing me some.

 

So ya theres that...

[Pralaya]

Nothing as specific or aggressive as I was doing. Random, yes, he was. Not others

[Zander?]

Nothing as specific or aggressive as I was doing. Random, yes, he was. Not others

 

But my point is, is yhat your suss on me didnt start UNTIL others started to express it and it became a possibility. 

[Pralaya]

Like I said before, none of you are trying to find out reasons why I am scum. All you are doing is trying to find reasons to justify your read.

[Zander?]

Like I said before, none of you are trying to find out reasons why I am scum. All you are doing is trying to find reasons to justify your read.

 

I feel like youre trying to create narratives and manipulate the thread environment irt to me at least.

[Pralaya]

 

Nothing as specific or aggressive as I was doing. Random, yes, he was. Not others

But my point is, is yhat your suss on me didnt start UNTIL others started to express it and it became a possibility.

I said it as soon as I completed my catch up. It was one of the earliest post after I was completely caught up. Not the partial reads earlier.

[Pralaya]

 

Like I said before, none of you are trying to find out reasons why I am scum. All you are doing is trying to find reasons to justify your read.

I feel like youre trying to create narratives and manipulate the thread environment irt to me at least.

Manipulate, really?

[Eldrick4221]

That you won't give reasons for why or why not people make sense to be scum with your scum read of bfg isn't very towny.

 

If you were town, you should be thinking about that. That you don't have an answer says to me you aren't trying to figure it out.

[Pralaya]

That you won't give reasons for why or why not people make sense to be scum with your scum read of bfg isn't very towny.

 

If you were town, you should be thinking about that. That you don't have an answer says to me you aren't trying to figure it out.

Just because i have not tried to figure so far doesn't mean I will not try when the time comes. Now, if I make a read, it will always be an associated read with BFG. That's why my vote is not going to be anything else from that

 

When I have more time and when the situation demands, I will look at it. And when I do, I will be open about it

[Eldrick4221]

I just don't know what to say to that. I've tried, but I can't think of anything.

[Eldrick4221]

Thought that just came to me.

 

Scum are very close to winning right now. They could very easily just sit back and let us be wrong, and kill ourselves.

 

With that said, the most quiet right now are Darthe and bfg. Might mean something.

[Andrej]

11 hours.

 

4 to lynch.

[BFG]

Good evening :)

[Darthe]

 

We're you lurking?

Me? No. I was away from my phone.

 

I was in the kitchen playing pokemon and talking to my brother about his transformer. My mind is already set on voting dice. But it's sooh's move.

Id really like to hear from her tbh. I think y'all are wolves but theres a second one out there and its a crapshoot atm

[Darthe]

As I said before, if dice is town, then it doesn't make sense for bfg to be scum.

 

If dice is town, then bfg is town.

 

IF they are both town, then the scum is Darthe and pral.

This post doesnt say much to me, it looks like youre trying to figure stuff out but it leads nowhere, which it should.

[BFG]

One day left till home

[Darthe]

Also love how Darthe is using self meta to try and prove he's town. "I'm not doing this, so I'm not scum."

 

If you are aware of it, you can fake it.

Have you ever heard the phrase "You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink"? Cause thats what this is. People are waffling on me, and if they have a meta on me thats remotely worthwhile they shouldnt be, so im pointing out why.

 

Nice half accusation though.

[Darthe]

Also I disagree with "if you're aware of it you can fake it". Its been said before and its cinsistently wrong. Even amazing players, who are really self aware, dont emulate their town games perfectly. If they did we would never catch players like cory and tom.

[Darthe]

Darthe ISO still isn't posting :/

 

TLDR version is that it left me underwhelmed

 

he's playing more cautiously than last game, but I could see that as either alignment

 

Tone is straight forward, but there's nothing in what he posts that I don't think he could post as mafia and I don't see anything from his interactions with Shad that screams m/m or m/t

 

I need to look at Nyn/Dice again and will try to read through some of Sooh/Eldrick, Zander - but I think Zander, Sock are town and I don't see Dice as mafia with Pral or Darthe, so I think it's just Pral/Darthe

This reasoning doesnt lead up to this conclusion irt me.