Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay so zass was in the stedding N1 and Nolder got killed in the stedding N1.....I had believed that nolder got killed because he wanted to vig hallia making her scum and the scum didn't want that cause she was scum....I think I was only partly right*....Okay it was zass, dice, hallia, and iron in TR  N2....We KNOW iron is town cause of his vig shot on N1 that wasn't cc'd...and zass insists that hallia is town:doc so that leaves zass and dice....we know that in the stedding you have no abilities..and we know that the mafia have another qt where they can talk at night plus their individual qt's..( I believe that for a faction kill to go through you have to do it from TR, but that's jmo, not known fact, yet).and I think that zass is the last of the mafia and/or (depending on Kat's flip, though I have a feeling she might be town, though I also know she has to be resolved...too many ???'s there) there is another deep mafia who I have no idea who it is..bear with me here....Here is the reason I think this:

 

N1 stedding:             N1 TR:                                                              N2 Stedding:              N2 TR: 

Believer-town            Tiink                                                                  Darthe                       Hallia

Dice - SK/survivor        Hallia                                                              Kat                            Dice - SK/Survivor

Nolder-town              Ironeyes- town                                                   Pral                           Zass

Shad                           kat                                                                     shad                         Iron town

WiFi - town queenie    Pral                                                                    tiinker

Zass                           John Snow - wolf                                                 WiFi  - TOWN QUEENIE

 

*First off I am going to say I probably am not going to remember everything EXACTLY how it came to be and I don't have enough time to get all the quotes either as I only have 1 hour till bed...that being said:

 

I think that zander saw nolders idea to vig hallia and saw red.  I then believe that he decided to NK nolder but asked JS first and JS decided it would add a lot of confusion to the mix because nolder wasn't that active and wasn't in anyone's wtl list.  So either JS (I think it was JS cause I believe that for a faction kill to go through you have to do it from TR, but that's jmo, not known fact, yet) or zass did it himself...so that was N1...onto N2 where dice was killed...I believe zander killed dice because he knew that dice had a PR**....That leaves us with D3....I think Kat could be town (I know, I know...we're going to lynch her whether I vote her or not, I get it) I just wanted to leave you all with this to think about before I go to bed.  which is now....

 

 

 

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Welcome Moghedian the Spider, a Forsaken preferring to collapse civilisation from within

You are a member of the mafia

Each day you must choose to spend the night in Tel'Aran'Rhiod or a stedding.

In the stedding you have no extra abilities

In Tel'Aran'Rhiod you may investigate one player and learn their role (role cop)

 

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Welcome Egwene, apprentice wise woman, Aes Sedai, Amrylin, mortal enemy of the Seanchan and childhood friend of the Dragon Reborn

You are a member of the town

Each day you must choose to spend the night in Tel'Aran'Rhiod or a stedding.

You have no extra abilities in the stedding

In Tel'Aran'Rhiod you have a one shot copycat ability. Once during the game you can copy the ability of any dead player that they can use in Tel'Aran'Rhiod

 

 

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Welcome Demandred, obsessed with Lews Therein you joined the Shadow to prove that you were the better man...

You are a member of the mafia

Each day you must choose to spend the night in Tel'Aran'Rhiod or a stedding.

Each phase you can choose between one of the following abilities

In the stedding you have no extra abilities

In Tel'Aran'Rhiod you have a one shot severing this takes away the abilities of any Aes Sedai or Ashaman, but has no effect on anyone that is not an Aes Sedai or Ashaman. It must be submitted on somebody in Tel'Aran'Rhiod with you.

You also have a one shot temporary loveriser ability. Once during night you may become lovers with somebody for the night. This means if one of you die, you both die. You also share a QT with that person for the night. It must be submitted on somebody in Tel'Aran'Rhiod with you

Once during the game you may challenge somebody to a Gladiator match. PM me and I will announce the challenge in thread. All votes will be removed and the lynch will be decided between you and the person you challenge. Once the challenge has been issued day will switch to hammer and votes will be locked.

Once during the game you may choose to Execute a player. Once a player has half the votes needed to hammer (if in a traditional hammer game) you may PM me to execute them. This ends the day automatically. [redacted]


Faction kill - strongman - if you submit the faction kill within Tel'Aran'Rhiod and on somebody else within Tel'Aran'Rhiod the kill can not be blocked by protective roles or be roleblocked. You can not submit a strongman kill 2 nights running

 

 

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I went through the whole game and reread everything again. (I ignored Zander and it was so much better, lol). 

 

Adding my points on who cannot be wolf:

 

Ironeyes - The vig shot was legit and non-countered.  And now we know that Dice was 3rd party. This pretty much clears him.

Zander - Has been quite active and his thoughts match with mine. He is quite verbose about it though. DOn't see him scumming here.

Hallia - Pretty much the below read list she gave on D1 shows that she is not wolf

 

 

Zand/Cass - Obv Town

Kat - I feel that vibe from her.  She's here, she's present, she's in a great mood

Dice - Tone is villagery af

 

 

Shad - He's improved a lot, I was having trouble earlier but he's got his head in the game

Tiinker - I feel like he's towny, seems different from his scum games

Nolder - Townish lean to me - This is different for me, as I recall scum reading him a lot back in the day.  I feel like he's being open and honest

Ironeyes - I'm on the cusp of town here.  I like his level of involvement.  He's my lowest town lean.

 

Bee - On the fence about - Want to give him more time though

Darthe - Felt more confident initially, that is fading into doubt, though.

Wifi - I feel like I always scum read - Others are town reading, so will give time.

 

JS - Still suspicious of, but as people say, he's got his head in the game right now.  May unvote, but I still think wolfy.

Pral - Did not like his read list, or level of involvement

Hellian - I don't know if it's because he's new.  I find it odd also the people that are normally all about d1 passes for new people aren't doing it here.  It says more about them than it does Hellian to me.

 

She has both Hellian and JS in the scum list. If she is busing here, she could have easily bused JS instead of Hellian and voted him. She was already suspecting JS and had already voted him earlier, so it would be a good continuity. And, busing a weaker role than the stronger Hellian. But, she stuck on the Hellian push and actually cleared others from giving him a newbie pass. If Hallia is scum, she played real smart here (I don't see how she is, though). 

 

 

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Would 3 Scum/Sk/Survivor make ANY sense?

 

Would legit lololololol if wolf team was Pral/Hellion/JS/Hallia

 

But again I dont see how we dont have a Doc this game but Im not great at figuring out roles and balance.

 

Also Hallia made comments that Ive not seen come from Scum!Hallia that I recall.

 

 

 

 

 

DICE SENT US A GIFT N1

 

WASNT THAT A X1 ABILITY?

 

If so he could/would have to have chosen a different ability N2 if he used one.

 

And tbqh I can imagine Dice not thinking he was in danger last night.  I didnt catch any PR breadcrumbs from him and i was looking.

 

Okay who did he send the gift to? 

 

 

[Darthe]

 

I can't commute others Cass, just me. If I could commute others I would have hard CC'd Hally.

 

I was in stedding because I again didn't submit. I wanted to get the NK since it was + ev at the time. Now, I've made sure to submit TEL

Interesting. Why would you have drawn a NK when you were one of the top trains for a lynch the day before?

Threat of lategame comeback that wolves cant escape. It would be a bad idea for them to kill, but I pushed it in the qt just to see if it might happen.

[Darthe]

Wanna see how he responds CassGOATENFPMUSICTWIN!!!!

 

Also interesting Kat apparently assumed a Role Cop when it was already listed as well.

 

I said Kat or Darthe today, they BOTH have to be resolved imo.

Though we dont have to kill me, to resolve.

[Zander?]

@ Wifi

 

What is it about those quotes people are supposed to think about?

 

So you think theres no Doc in the game then by your post?

[Zander?]

 

 

I can't commute others Cass, just me. If I could commute others I would have hard CC'd Hally.

 

I was in stedding because I again didn't submit. I wanted to get the NK since it was + ev at the time. Now, I've made sure to submit TEL

Interesting. Why would you have drawn a NK when you were one of the top trains for a lynch the day before?

Threat of lategame comeback that wolves cant escape. It would be a bad idea for them to kill, but I pushed it in the qt just to see if it might happen.

 

 

 

 

Wanna see how he responds CassGOATENFPMUSICTWIN!!!!

 

Also interesting Kat apparently assumed a Role Cop when it was already listed as well.

 

I said Kat or Darthe today, they BOTH have to be resolved imo.

Though we dont have to kill me, to resolve.

 

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Cass]

 

Wanna see how he responds CassGOATENFPMUSICTWIN!!!!

Also interesting Kat apparently assumed a Role Cop when it was already listed as well.

I said Kat or Darthe today, they BOTH have to be resolved imo.

Though we dont have to kill me, to resolve.

What did you mean when you said your role was only activated in TAR but you could self clear?

 

How does that fit with you then going to the Stedding?/not actively choosing to go to TAR - especially if you wanted to draw out wolf actions?

[Cass]

WIFI

 

- Wolf faction kills can happen in either location

 

- Zander and I are not scum

 

- Dice gifted us the BPV

 

- What do you think of my post re the order of Kat/Darthe?

[Cass]

I typed a few things that I didn't bother posting.

 

Lynch Darthe over Kat if you think Darthe is more likely to flip wolf than Kat.

 

If you're equally convinced that both are wolves, the order is irrelevant.

Why for the bold?

 

I think there's a good chance Darthe flips wolf here.

 

I've been on the line over things that pinged me in his play because what if I'm wrong but the reality is Darthe can be a force for Town or Scum when he plays. He hasn't proved himself a force for Town yet.

 

Sveral of his actions can come from Scum motivation.

 

His apathy and tone are effectively null.

He could be Town, but I don't feel it.

 

And the risk of him claiming the way he has...

 

The idea that he went to Stedding after saying that his power -which is only activated in TAR- could 'clear him kinda' is bollocks IMO. As is the idea that he went there to draw the NK.

 

Nol being killed n1 in the Stedding plus

 

 

Hellian has been lynched they were Demandred

 

Welcome Demandred, obsessed with Lews Therein you joined the Shadow to prove that you were the better man...You are a member of the mafiaEach day you must choose to spend the night in Tel'Aran'Rhiod or a stedding.Each phase you can choose between one of the following abilitiesIn the stedding you have no extra abilitiesIn Tel'Aran'Rhiod you have a one shot severing this takes away the abilities of any Aes Sedai or Ashaman, but has no effect on anyone that is not an Aes Sedai or Ashaman. It must be submitted on somebody in Tel'Aran'Rhiod with you.You also have a one shot temporary loveriser ability. Once during night you may become lovers with somebody for the night. This means if one of you die, you both die. You also share a QT with that person for the night. It must be submitted on somebody in Tel'Aran'Rhiod with youOnce during the game you may challenge somebody to a Gladiator match. PM me and I will announce the challenge in thread. All votes will be removed and the lynch will be decided between you and the person you challenge. Once the challenge has been issued day will switch to hammer and votes will be locked.Once during the game you may choose to Execute a player. Once a player has half the votes needed to hammer (if in a traditional hammer game) you may PM me to execute them. This ends the day automatically. [redacted]Faction kill - strongman -

if you submit the faction kill within Tel'Aran'Rhiod and

on somebody else within Tel'Aran'Rhiod the kill can not be blocked by protective roles or be roleblocked. You can not submit a strongman kill 2 nights running

mean scum faction kills can be submitted in both.

 

A scum role that pulls players to TAR fits with what we know of Hellian and JS' other actions only being available in TAR.

 

Darthe's claim would be the perfect way to twist that role for Town cred as scum.

 

And I think the possibility of such a role is dangerous for the Doc which is why he's ok to let Kat (if she's his partner) die first.

 

[v]Unvote [/v] [v]Darthe [/v]

[Cass]

 

I typed a few things that I didn't bother posting.

 

Lynch Darthe over Kat if you think Darthe is more likely to flip wolf than Kat.

 

If you're equally convinced that both are wolves, the order is irrelevant.

Why for the bold?

I think there's a good chance Darthe flips wolf here.

I've been on the line over things that pinged me in his play because what if I'm wrong but the reality is Darthe can be a force for Town or Scum when he plays. He hasn't proved himself a force for Town yet.

Sveral of his actions can come from Scum motivation.

His apathy and tone are effectively null.

He could be Town, but I don't feel it.

And the risk of him claiming the way he has...

The idea that he went to Stedding after saying that his power -which is only activated in TAR- could 'clear him kinda' is bollocks IMO. As is the idea that he went there to draw the NK.

Nol being killed n1 in the Stedding plus

Hellian has been lynched they were Demandred

 

Welcome Demandred, obsessed with Lews Therein you joined the Shadow to prove that you were the better man...You are a member of the mafiaEach day you must choose to spend the night in Tel'Aran'Rhiod or a stedding.Each phase you can choose between one of the following abilitiesIn the stedding you have no extra abilitiesIn Tel'Aran'Rhiod you have a one shot severing this takes away the abilities of any Aes Sedai or Ashaman, but has no effect on anyone that is not an Aes Sedai or Ashaman. It must be submitted on somebody in Tel'Aran'Rhiod with you.You also have a one shot temporary loveriser ability. Once during night you may become lovers with somebody for the night. This means if one of you die, you both die. You also share a QT with that person for the night. It must be submitted on somebody in Tel'Aran'Rhiod with youOnce during the game you may challenge somebody to a Gladiator match. PM me and I will announce the challenge in thread. All votes will be removed and the lynch will be decided between you and the person you challenge. Once the challenge has been issued day will switch to hammer and votes will be locked.Once during the game you may choose to Execute a player. Once a player has half the votes needed to hammer (if in a traditional hammer game) you may PM me to execute them. This ends the day automatically. [redacted]Faction kill - strongman -

if you submit the faction kill within Tel'Aran'Rhiod and

on somebody else within Tel'Aran'Rhiod the kill can not be blocked by protective roles or be roleblocked. You can not submit a strongman kill 2 nights running

mean scum faction kills can be submitted in both.

A scum role that pulls players to TAR fits with what we know of Hellian and JS' other actions only being available in TAR.

Darthe's claim would be the perfect way to twist that role for Town cred as scum.

And I think the possibility of such a role is dangerous for the Doc which is why he's ok to let Kat (if she's his partner) die first.

[v]Unvote [/v] [v]Darthe [/v]

EBWOP to hopefully fix formatting

[Zander?]

I agree with all things CassGOAT speaks LDO!!!!!!

 

<3 <3 <3

[Ironeyes]

Cass broke the page....

 

IRT your question, I see little difference between Darthe and Kat atp. Both are doing mostly self preservation type stuff, which I invariably see as scummy.

[Zander?]

@ Marsh

 

What if Darthe/Kat is Scum where do you go next if Kat/Darthe not his partner?

 

What if Darthe/Kat is Town where do you go from there?

[Ironeyes]

If Kat is town then Darthe is definitely scum using her as a convenient mislynch. If she is scum I'm willing to bet he is towb. I suppose he could still be bussing a partner as some sort of gambit. But with two of them dead already I just can't see that happening. I'd probably back off of him if she is scum.

 

If Darthe is scum Wifi doesn't look so good. She's brought up the one time she scummed with him a lot. If he's town I'm not at all sure what that means.

[Darthe]

 

 

Wanna see how he responds CassGOATENFPMUSICTWIN!!!!

Also interesting Kat apparently assumed a Role Cop when it was already listed as well.

I said Kat or Darthe today, they BOTH have to be resolved imo.

Though we dont have to kill me, to resolve.

What did you mean when you said your role was only activated in TAR but you could self clear?

 

How does that fit with you then going to the Stedding?/not actively choosing to go to TAR - especially if you wanted to draw out wolf actions?

Stedding means I cant use my ability. Nk would be a clear, peek would clear, you know either wont be wasted. Its good incentive to use an ability.

 

Commute can be confirmed by either clAimed investigative pr. Its not a pure clear that way but in a long line of me being open and forward with town its a hell of a lot more effort than yall deserve from me.

[Darthe]

Well Hell, I didn't realize that this was the "make up random crap and vote" portion of the game. I thought we still relied upon evidence.

 

That zass push looks like cashing in on credit to try and drive a lynch through. I should know, and if kat is a wolf thats gonna be huge.

[Shad_]

Cass, scum have fake claims.

[Shad_]

Like, it would be objectively stupid for Darthe to twist a real relocation role into a commuter fake claim when, if a wolf, he has a list of roles available to him that do not risk being immediately countered by a villager.

[Shad_]

If Commuter is a safe claim and the relocation happens to be a wolf PR then sure, but that would just be a coincidence/mod choice.

[Shad_]

I hate speculating on roles, and at the end of the day there are a dozen different scenarios where Kat might be a villager who was really relocated, or a wolf faking the same, or it could be a more elaborate wolf plan involving a real PR that fell apart because wolves were taking too much heat to effectively employ it as distancing.  I can't place one scenario as more likely than the rest external from my reads on people's gameplay.  I need a flip.

[Shad_]

its a hell of a lot more effort than yall deserve from me.

It's frankly just hard for me to take stuff like this seriously.

[Zander?]

 

its a hell of a lot more effort than yall deserve from me.

It's frankly just hard for me to take stuff like this seriously.

 

 

Legit

 

Shad you think Darthe should not be deaded today???

[Zander?]

If Kat is town then Darthe is definitely scum using her as a convenient mislynch. If she is scum I'm willing to bet he is towb. I suppose he could still be bussing a partner as some sort of gambit. But with two of them dead already I just can't see that happening. I'd probably back off of him if she is scum.

 

If Darthe is scum Wifi doesn't look so good. She's brought up the one time she scummed with him a lot. If he's town I'm not at all sure what that means.

 

So kinda Darthe/Wifi/Kat??

 

Who is your deepwolf choice and why/

[Cass]

 

What did you mean when you said your role was only activated in TAR but you could self clear?

***********How does that fit with you then going to the Stedding?/not actively choosing to go to TAR - especially if you wanted to draw out wolf actions?**********

Stedding means I cant use my ability. Nk would be a clear, peek would clear, you know either wont be wasted. Its good incentive to use an ability.

Commute can be confirmed by either clAimed investigative pr. Its not a pure clear that way but in a long line of me being open and forward with town its a hell of a lot more effort than yall deserve from me.

What exactly is your ability?

 

Explain to me how your role works pls

 

And then explain to me how a role that drags players to TAR in a game where players get to choose their night actions and what we've seen of Scum means they are severely restricted to TAR doesn't fit.

[Cass]

Like, it would be objectively stupid for Darthe to twist a real relocation role into a commuter fake claim when, if a wolf, he has a list of roles available to him that do not risk being immediately countered by a villager.

Why isn't Hallia dead?

[Ironeyes]

 

If Kat is town then Darthe is definitely scum using her as a convenient mislynch. If she is scum I'm willing to bet he is towb. I suppose he could still be bussing a partner as some sort of gambit. But with two of them dead already I just can't see that happening. I'd probably back off of him if she is scum.

 

If Darthe is scum Wifi doesn't look so good. She's brought up the one time she scummed with him a lot. If he's town I'm not at all sure what that means.

 

So kinda Darthe/Wifi/Kat??

 

Who is your deepwolf choice and why/

 

If there is a deep wolf I'm going with Tiinker probably. I know this may sound kind of dumb, but Tiink was the first to town read me, when I hadn't really done anything yet to deserve it. That whispered pocketing, but not loud enough for me to pay any attention to it. And then the Hellian train and JS and Believer kind of drove it out of my mind.