Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Katiora]

Do I actually have to ISO on D1 to look at that??? >.> 

 

 

Since it's zander... yes I did... And nothing particularly towny no... *shrugs* but I don't see anything that yells scum either. I DID see what he was talking about where you quoted a hallia post and said it was him. But it was one time, so I don't get the "he keeps doing it repeatedly" vibe he's getting off but I think that could be from frustration. But it could be scum angry because he thinks you're on to him. It's D1... I hate it. It makes me unhappy and slightly indecisive. 

[Ironeyes]

Ok 2 things

 

1st- Im starting a movemnt to ban Pink Salamon as a thing,

 

2nd- I want this to get moving.  Lets lunch up a Wolf!!!!!

1st- But if you ban salmon, I won't be able to use all my good Wreck It Ralph jokes! 

 

2nd- I think we're getting there actually. I prefer hammer games because we don't have to wait for EoD to get a consensus but I still think we're in a good spot. 

 

[Ironeyes]

Do I actually have to ISO on D1 to look at that??? >.> 

 

 

Since it's zander... yes I did... And nothing particularly towny no... *shrugs* but I don't see anything that yells scum either. I DID see what he was talking about where you quoted a hallia post and said it was him. But it was one time, so I don't get the "he keeps doing it repeatedly" vibe he's getting off but I think that could be from frustration. But it could be scum angry because he thinks you're on to him. It's D1... I hate it. It makes me unhappy and slightly indecisive. 

I'm seeing what Z means about shading though. And I don't like it any more than he does. 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I might just give up.  This village is pretty hopeless.

 

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

I will not address any further idiotic suspicion on my slot.  I"m going to state my reads and you can all piss off.

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Hellian [/v]

 

I'll admit to reading backwards, but I see no case here.  If this is supposed to be an OMGUS, then you didn't read that I did not think my vote on you had counted because I hadn't followed protocol. 

 

 

Its 100% not OMGUS

 

I know you mentioned your vote.  Im the one who told you how to properly do it and that your vote likely didnt count.

 

Well, when you lay out your case so clearly like that, how could I possibly defend myself?

 

 

You could I dunno I suppose read the thread and address questions and concern addressed to you?

 

I could if you didn't spam up the thread.  Again, something that pings my scumdar about you, but I chalk it up to too much time on your hands.  TBH, much of the past 20 pages has been LOLing at eachother and talking about past games.  If there was a question in there I more than likely missed it.  So I'll be online for about 10 more minutes.  Ask, and I will answer. 

 

 

This sounds like a you problem.

 

 

I'm out for tonight.  Will check back tomorrow. 

 

For now [v]vote Zaner[/v]

 

And yes that is pure OMGUS. 

 

lololololol

 

 

First, did Ironeyes say that myself and John could be on a team?  Literally makes no sense.

 

wrong

 

i voted you for that then ive been catching up and evaluating while putting these posts up

 

im not moving my vbote simply cause you went all fake ate. You wanna do that? you wanna vote ureself cause people are sus of you in a game where you have to be sus of pretty much everyone if ure town?  then im more then happy to put you out of your misery and take you out of the game.

 

 

that ATE blast says NOTHING for your alignment. Its the easiest thing to do as scum. Thats why its styupid for Zander to instantly unvote for it.

 

 

so no im NOT tunnelling you for claiming mafia on page 2, tho i will say that, particualrly for you Mr Spreadsheet, that if ure stupid enuff to claim mafia in a game im in then you should be expecting me to go you for it,  I am staying on you for that little blow up

 

I do NOT see that coming from scumDice

 

I'm out for tonight.  Will check back tomorrow. 

 

For now [v]vote Zaner[/v]

 

And yes that is pure OMGUS. 

OMGSUS is never pretty.

 

Can you elaborate please on the bold??

 

 

 

 

Char claiming this early is disgusting.

 

my first thought on seeing this was that snow was spewing halli pulled a strong character so thats gonna make her harder to mislynch

 

my second is thats hallia. Deal with it.

 

For me  that claim almost locks her in blue  will take something big for me to lynch there

Char claiming this early is disgusting.

 

 

I said it was disgusting. I think it's antitown. Claiming doc day 1 is always bad for town. 

 

It's not scummy, just bad play. 

 

-snip-

John Snow: Pops in, votes me for lame/unexplained reasons, disappears. Pingy for sure, and like I said before this reminds me of Scum!Clovdyx in the beginning of Demons Cove. He directed all of the attention toward me right from the start and not only gained towncred for it, but was able to keep the heat off of his lurky teammates. They won that game in part because of his calculated risk there. 

 

 

A) I gave a reason. 

 

B) I said I would be sparse for 12 hours (aka until about now)

 

C) I'm not Clov

 

Also, Zass is 26 posts from cap lmao. It's been barely 24 hours. 

 

 

You keep talking about the cap and not much else.

 

FYI- (therers no real cap)

 

You cant hide from me.

 

 

THIS IS THE POST HELLIANS REFERRING TO:

 

ITS A MULTIQUOTE AND I POST QUESTIONS?RESPONSES TO NOT ONLY HELLIAN AND HALLIA BUT JOHN SNOW TO.

[Zander?]

[Tiinker]

First batch of Shad's stuff (out of chronological order but this is the part that doesn't require me to go back and reread. 

You town read Sooh for intentionally drawing a lot of attention to herself but think I'm a wolf.

 

I scum read Sooh at one point in that game, though. Made a lot of folks mad. 

 

Extremely and openly self-conscious about not wanting to appear scummy.

 

Pinged when players defend their town reads.

 

Pinged when players pursue their scum reads aggressively.

 

Encourages lynching PRs to test their claims without actually presenting a case for why they're scummy.

 

Still null on most of the player base on day 3.

 

Clearly from another era as far as how he perceives the game, for better or worse.  GOAT reads, has the wolves in his bottom four for a lot of the game and bottom three for a while.

You're giving me too much credit. The only reason I had good reads was luck. Most of the flaws in my playing that you've pointed out are simple because I go with the flow of the game and sometimes forget what I've said in the past. Which is why I usually look inconsistent. Case in point: I've already town read Hallia and scum read her in this game, because the second time I didn't remember what happened the first time. 

 

Meh I think I might have lynched you in Demons Cove

You and everyone else... Talmanes's cop read is the only thing that saved me. 

 

I see zero parallels between Clov's posts leading up to his vote on you and Snow's posts about you at the start of this game.

The parallel I see is a wolf picking out a townie who looks bad in the beginning of day one and directing attention that way. It sows confusion and sets up a possible mislynch early on. Granted, Clov pursued it a lot more aggressively. But I still see a pattern. 

I think this a decent post and my ISO of Ironeyes hasn't really been too revealing. His tone has changed slightly and he's been aggressive ever being pushed early on in the game. I think him not fading out once the heat was off makes him seem more town. His freak outs of Believer not changing his vote around stand out though. Not sure why anyone would be particularly freaked out about someone not changing their vote. Maybe it's something, maybe it's nothing.

[Shad_]

 

...Snow didn't really post much of anything.

 

What is your read on John?

 

He's played enough games of Mafia in this more intensive era to know that chatting about people's potential roles for a while and then dropping three town reads and two wolf reads without explanation is a one way ticket to the dead thread.

 

Villagers will vote that.  Wolves will vote that if you're a villager.  Wolves will vote that if you're a wolf and they have no faith in your ability to step it up.

 

Does it make him a wolf?  I have no idea.  I don't know if he'd dig in more as scum or go out in a puff of smoke.  I know that I'm not going to resolve his alignment without a flip or a peek at this rate.

[Tiinker]

 

Believer, you've been extremely disengaged so far.

 

What's up with that?

I wouldn't say "extremely".

 

Coupled with RL things and my general dislike of D1 shenanigans, I'd say that my level of participation has been quite normal.

 

 

Expect me to be fully present from D2 forward.

 

Sounds like you fully expect to be there.

[Darthe]

It seems to me like mostly the same people are talking, and it's a very meta centric and very joley spammy environment so I'm having some trouble really delving into the content here but that could just be me. Mostly my reads have been reinforced, shad has went up a little bit again and I'd like to add that I have a slight town lean on believer so I don't really know where I want to go vote wise yet. Sucky though it is that is most of what I have gotten out of today.

[Darthe]

Tink you are playing well

[Believer]

 

 

Believer, you've been extremely disengaged so far.

 

What's up with that?

I wouldn't say "extremely".

 

Coupled with RL things and my general dislike of D1 shenanigans, I'd say that my level of participation has been quite normal.

 

 

Expect me to be fully present from D2 forward.

 

Sounds like you fully expect to be there.

 

I have faith.

[Zander?]

It seems to me like mostly the same people are talking, and it's a very meta centric and very joley spammy environment so I'm having some trouble really delving into the content here but that could just be me. Mostly my reads have been reinforced, shad has went up a little bit again and I'd like to add that I have a slight town lean on believer so I don't really know where I want to go vote wise yet. Sucky though it is that is most of what I have gotten out of today.

 

 

Tink you are playing well

 

Darthe I take back asking you to be nice.

 

If this is nice Darthe I cant read you,

 

#GOLIKE3/4FULLDARTHE

[Zander?]

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

 

Anyone have a better suggestion?

[Darthe]

Fortunately, I don't post for your benefit either.

[Darthe]

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

 

Anyone have a better suggestion?

It's not that I have a better suggestion it's that I have a problem with approaching trying to solve a game from the perspective of " how do we not lose". Bad reason to push a lynch. I'd prefer dice tbh

[Zander?]

Fortunately, I don't post for your benefit either.

 

Im proud of you?

 

gjge?

[Katiora]

Zander do you realize that Pral has only 8 posts... 

[Darthe]

Ty!

[Darthe]

Positive reinforcement affects me way more than people seem to think.

 

 

Laya, dice, nol maybe, js, these are lynched that have made sense to me today, even if I disagree with the reasoning behind some of them.

[Shad_]

@ Cass #666, ask me post-game if you're more curious about the AtE, but it had nothing to do with your questions at me.

 

If you want me to piece together an explanation on how I reached my read on Zander based on his posts in this game, you might have to wait a while.  I'm asked to do this pretty often and there isn't some A-->B-->C-->Town linearity to it.  I've read him correctly early in pretty much every game since Matrix.  I know what town!Zander looks like and I know what scum!Zander looks like and they're usually glaringly different.  When I've seen enough of the former I call it town and stick to that until I have reason to doubt it.

 

Believe me, if I thought he was a wolf I would be pulling out every nitty gritty detail to try and convince the rest of the village of it.  I think he's town and consensus agrees so trying to build a case to prove it--or to prove that my read was an honest opinion, at any rate--is really tedious.  It doesn't accomplish anything except to make you feel better on my slot, if it even accomplishes that, at the expense of an hour of my time that I would prefer to focus on game solving. 

[Tiinker]

[v]John Snow[/v]

17 posts and I don't think any of them have anything worth talking about tbh. It's just a bunch of stuff like "scum could have this many players", discussing general strategies in mafia or talking about possible character claims. Generally just super innocuous and his posts are just stating  things disguised as a contribution which don't actually add to this game's discussion.

[Zander?]

 

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

 

Anyone have a better suggestion?

It's not that I have a better suggestion it's that I have a problem with approaching trying to solve a game from the perspective of " how do we not lose". Bad reason to push a lynch. I'd prefer dice tbh

 

 

Thats not the perspective Im approaching it from.

 

Hellians done nothing,

 

Fails at voting me out of the gate cause i was top poster

 

Has like focused on NOTHING AND NO ONE ELSE.

 

Has misreped and threw shade at me all game

 

Avoids answering questions addressed to him.

 

Prolly a villager?

[Tiinker]

Probably should've asked before I voted but can someone tell me what to expect from JS this game?

[Tiinker]

Tink you are playing well

Stop hitting on me.

[Shad_]

My concern here is that tho Shad does read me very well as Town!Shad he will still have some posts the he wavers a bit on.  And he posts them so you can see him working through the read.  Even after hes stated hes very sure on me.  And a Town read D1 is common place from Shad on me, it still takes a little bit for it to come.

 

Look at Overwatch for an example.

 

Here he's just like he's Town and thats it.

It varies a lot from game to game.

 

Your push on Wifi at the beginning of Overwatch was super wolfy and it took me catching up to get over that. Wolf!Cory kept trying to shake my trust in my read of you and it made me reconsider a lot but I never had you out of my top 3 villagers after like page 30.

 

In Julius Caesar when you soft claimed I had you as obvious town even faster than I did in this game, and I never wavered from that once.

 

Lost I called you a villager pretty much straight out the gate and never backed off of that. Within a day of you resubbing into a wolf slot I was screaming for your head.

 

Dragon Reborn I wavered a bit.

 

It varies but this is hardly the first time I had you as solid villager early and stuck to it all game.