Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Shad_]

I want to see Shad case someone not Kat or Darthe. I've been relying on him in a lot of ways to bounce ideas off but he hasn't said much about me or anyone else really. Trying to fly under the radar while maintaining a strong position while everyone is preoccupied?

 

Posts like this are why I want to quit Mafia

 

I put a thousand times more work into this game than you did.

 

Which of us is trying to fly under the radar?

[Shad_]

I mean it is everyone's duty to maintain vigilance but if I am not universally lock town by now then the current trend of wolves winning everything will not end any time soon.

[Wildfire Sedai]

You're town in my book shad...

[BFG]

whoops

[Wildfire Sedai]

Feel better???  

[Zander?]

 

Instating how so Derf?

You dont let a thing slip by without poking your nose into it. Thats not particularly un-zander but I think it's worth mention.

 

 

Whats note worthy about something that I normally do?

 

This is not the first time you thrown out  random suss post against with little to no real reasoning.

 

I've got tink, marsh and wild as hard town and I'm leaning that way on shad and zass. Hally and kat im trying to form a read on but just can't, nol is semi baffling me, anyone else I've basically ignored thus far.

 

Still no commitment on his Kat read but says hes trying to.  Seems weird later on when he says he hasnt been reading her posts or looked at her at all really.

 

 

 

 

Well that's not nice... We still have nearly two days. You can clear yourself and we can move on to lynching scum.

Wolf me would jump on this, town me thinks it's meant earnestly

 

 

lolololololol

 

 

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

 

Anyone have a better suggestion?

It's not that I have a better suggestion it's that I have a problem with approaching trying to solve a game from the perspective of " how do we not lose". Bad reason to push a lynch. I'd prefer dice tbh

 

 

 

Again hindsight 20/20 and Ive mentioned this before.

 

 

Positive reinforcement affects me way more than people seem to think.

 

 

Laya, dice, nol maybe, js, these are lynched that have made sense to me today, even if I disagree with the reasoning behind some of them.

 

Most people have tried this approach with you all game and its not really done anything to get you going until today which is D3.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone yet find a reason Hellian is a villager?

 

Anyone have a better suggestion?

It's not that I have a better suggestion it's that I have a problem with approaching trying to solve a game from the perspective of " how do we not lose". Bad reason to push a lynch. I'd prefer dice tbh

Thats not the perspective Im approaching it from.

 

Hellians done nothing,

 

Fails at voting me out of the gate cause i was top poster

 

Has like focused on NOTHING AND NO ONE ELSE.

 

Has misreped and threw shade at me all game

 

Avoids answering questions addressed to him.

 

Prolly a villager?

Idk I havent noticed, but its easier to see that sorta thing when youre the person getting targeted

 

 

Same thing here with Hellion and Kat.

 

Heavily sussed but Darthe dont seem to feel the need to bother looking at them.

 

Prolly Towny....

 

 

 

 

Nolder - meh. He came in seemed to pick a bit of a fight and then said he was gonna put someone on ignore and I haven't seen a lot more out of him. Maybe he accidentally put the whole thread on ignore?? lol idk.

 

WAT

I agree with kat. Most of your posts are instigative and the ones that arent are crap, which is also usually instigative. You may well be town but ive not got much to show that beyond my own interpretations of your early game. Tbf what I thought was grass beating (and still do) could easily appear to another to be stirring the pot.

 

 

Bold is a bit ironic to me but w/e.

 

This post is about NOLDER

[Shad_]

People expect me to research and reevaluate every possible tie between every possible player in the game every day.

 

If I have to be a crutch that's fine though I don't much like it, but if you're going to depend on me to do the work then don't give me shit about taking time off once in a while.

[BFG]

D3 Votecount

 

 

Kat (4): Tiinker, Shad, Darthe, Ironeyes

 

Darthe (4): Zass, Hallia, Pral, WiFi

 

 

Not Voting (1): Kat

 

[Zander?]

 

 

I got lynched D1 because haters. I was reading him as town early but tbf everyone was reading him as town and that was mainly because of his interaction with Cory and Nyn. If you cut that out though his D1 here and D1 in Shad's game are similar I think, however I don't think he would've played as he did in Shad's game if people weren't town reading him so strong early on.

 

Read on Hellian isn't really there. Hasn't really given me anything to think about.

 

You see my concern here is less about Darthe and more about you.

 

Dude just duped you hardcore and you just walk in and Town read him off the bat.

 

Like remember what I said about what I was gonna do about you duping me. I gave you some time and space to work to give me a chance to kinda see from afar.

 

Unless Im missing the obv which it dont feel like I am and not sure it makes a ton of sense with the setup, leads me to draw only 3 conclusions.

 

You have TMI irt Darthe

 

You are teammate with Darthe

 

GOAT read.

 

Based on your progression on him this game and the fact he duped you last game lead me to think the last option is least likely.

I don't appreciate you calling me a wolf based on your d1 read of another player btw.

 

 

Is associative reads something you dislike in general or just on D1?

 

 

/inb4shad-darthe-tink-hellian-scumteamcallout

Seriously did you decide to just jump in balls deep or am I missing some context here?

 

 

Id love for someone else to go through Darthe's ISO and tell me if they think Tink/Darthe can be w/w.

 

 

 

If youre a wolf and you used that AtE on me Shander is over...

 

I feel like you've been kind of salty about my slot in this game.

 

It's because I bailed early in Risk when I knew I couldn't win instead of accepting it and letting you clean house, isn't it? 

 

I've felt the same way about Zander irt to me this game.  Like that reinvigorated post I made.  It was my first or second post and he has used it specifically against me three times that I know of now.   I mean, if you want me to lose WIM that seems like a good way to do it...

 

 

You felt that ive been salty at all this game???

 

Like to see where you got that from up until this point please.

 

But I mean he's basically saying Zander sussing me will make me lose WIM.

 

I mean sure it can come from a frustrated Towny but I mean I wasnt like really sussing him all that hard atp.

 

Lol dice seems fine, so does nol atm.

 

Dice may have been 3rd Party but he was basically Town.

 

This could just be some legit GOAT reads.

 

 

Dice is ridiculously villagery on p47

Yeah he is obv town

 

 

Agreed????

 

lolololololol

 

Darest I say that zander and cass have pinged me a few times? I darest, but I do recognize that it's prob a factor of how many posts they have, or my inherent aversion to chumminess.

 

Again Darthe throwing Shade at us for something that Null and basically pointless.

 

 

Wild adjusted from calling herself town to calling herself town queenie when z mentioned it. That's pretty self conscious.

 

Poss more Shade or even distancing irt Wifi.

 

Both these last posts came when our Hellion suss became more more likely to lead to her lynch.

[Wildfire Sedai]

so does like no one READ my posts.....I thought it would generate SOME conversation....It is the TRUTH....oh and if your're wondering what I'm talking about: 

 

 

I mean you all said not to claim so I am not going to claim but I know darthe is lying about something I just can't say what without revealing my role.  

 

[Darthe]

Ill bite. What did I lie about wild?

[Wildfire Sedai]

I mean you all said not to claim so I am not going to claim but I know darthe is lying about something I just can't say what without revealing my role.  

 

Why don't you think about it a little bit, I am sure you will come up with something.  Unless you have lied about multiple things and want to get your story straight?

[Shad_]

 

Pretty much this. Plus concern over the fact that you've hedged on Hallia and shaded the idea of Doc while lynching Believer.

And the fact that Hallia is still alive as claimed Doc.

 

And the fact that a role which can drag players to TAR makes sense for scum.

 

And that Kat being dragged to TAR lines up with the last time you were in TAR, the only place you can use your powers.

 

And you're going to TAR again tonight.

 

We're happy with a Kat/Darthe lynch today and have said as much, the hedging and possibilities above is the reason I want you resolved first.

 

Yes, it's a jump. 

 

If it's not you though, then who?

 

I'm glad to see you've got some WIM. I guarantee you it's not us.

I couldnt know those were bad plays til I did them, that points stupid. Flat stupid.

 

No clue why hally is alive, thats not a point against me though, its more a question that youre treating like an accusation.

 

The third point you literally ****ing made up. Why do I have to keep saying this? It's also utterly irrelevant because it has nothing to do with *me specifically*. It's about wolves in general.

 

Kat being dragged to Tar says you believe her. That says you know she Is telling the truth, which doesnt line up with your slot wanting to resolve her or calling us w/w. Good luck explaining that internal conflict.

 

Lol wait, so you believe her and are good to lynch me using that as evidence but your next line youre totally ok with resolving her still? Thats talking out both sides of your mouth plain as day.

 

If not me then who is also a case.

 

Congrats, youve managed to recant five things utterly irrelevant to my alignment a dozen times across twenty pages and you expect me to believe that you honestly think those have baring on my alignment?

 

Get rekt, youre a wolf or youre useless this game, either way youre better dead.

 

 

I'm not going to argue against your other points here, but let's talk about red.

 

Imagine that you are a villager not named Darthe.  You see a guy present reasons to push a lynch onto a player who flipped villager.  How do you know if it's an opportunistic wolf or a villager who was wrong?

 

You don't.  You look for players that could be opportunistic and weigh that against gut/tone/meta/whatever else you use to read a player.

 

The case against Kat is exactly: her voting pattern and read progression consistently benefit the wolves.

 

If this point is "flat stupid" then we shouldn't be lynching her in the first place.  But it's not stupid.  Might be wrong, but it's pretty reasonable.  When someone refutes a point like this by calling it dumb because they couldn't have known Believer was telling the truth in advance etc, it doesn't come off very genuine, because we're all generally aware of why villagers might perceive it otherwise.  I think it's more natural to say "yeah I was wrong but I'm not a wolf" and move on to other reasons why you're not a wolf, not to discredit the appearance of opportunism.

 

Basically you know that no villager can know that you aren't a wolf who intentionally tried to mislynch Believer, so why discredit this aspect of the case against you?

[Wildfire Sedai]

Of course I could be wrong, but I don't think I am....and only your flip will tell us if I am....  

[Shad_]

so does like no one READ my posts.....I thought it would generate SOME conversation....It is the TRUTH....oh and if your're wondering what I'm talking about: 

 

 

I mean you all said not to claim so I am not going to claim but I know darthe is lying about something I just can't say what without revealing my role.  

 

I haven't really gotten to them yet tbh, still a few pages back, but it's one of those things I would have to hear spelled out to pass judgment on. Not saying that I advocate claiming here. Let other people weigh in on that.

[Hallia]

I don't know where the fearmongering is coming from - we are doing pretty well I think. We all, it appears, think Darthe and Kat need to be resolved, and so we work on it and go off the new info

[Darthe]

 

I mean you all said not to claim so I am not going to claim but I know darthe is lying about something I just can't say what without revealing my role.  

 

 

Why don't you think about it a little bit, I am sure you will come up with something.  Unless you have lied about multiple things and want to get your story straight?

I havent lied once and if you cant quote a post where I lied then you're proven the liar. Ty for trapping yourself so my death isnt meaningless.

[Darthe]

Also im the one that told you not to claim, literally the only one iirc. Lol talk about talking out both sides of your mouth.

[Darthe]

Of course I could be wrong, but I don't think I am....and only your flip will tell us if I am....

 

Oh backing off immediately when called on it? You didnt expect me to actually challenge you did you? Just needed that little push iyo.

[Darthe]

Wild, def wolf. She is frozen

[Darthe]

Frozen

[Shad_]

I don't know why this is even an issue. I thought commuter was always an individual role. If he could commute someone else he'd be a jailor

Jailors can still be targeted.

 

Commuters can be just self-commute or they can be a sort of commuter/jailor hybrid. Same role name is usually applied to both.

 

Not relevant here, just fyi

[Darthe]

Frozen

[Shad_]

 

I don't know why this is even an issue. I thought commuter was always an individual role. If he could commute someone else he'd be a jailor

Jailors can still be targeted.

 

Commuters can be just self-commute or they can be a sort of commuter/jailor hybrid. Same role name is usually applied to both.

 

Not relevant here, just fyi

 

lol I have no idea why this links to a Tiink post. It's an Iron post.

[Darthe]

Frozen