Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Darthe]

Am I a wolf. Yes or no. Pick.

[Zander?]

 

Like I said yesterday, I don't see her scum based on how she voted D1. She had already suspected JS and could have voted JS instead of the much stronger Hellian. I don't see her as scum doing it.

 

I don't give much credence to the claim given that scum have fake claims. The only thing that stood out while I read the game is that JS called out Hallia as doc before she claimed it, based on just her character claim. I kinda felt as if JS had TMI - like he already knew she was a doc or had a doc claim but given the theme, it is not that surprising, I guess.

To be fair she switched late, but she could have generated a reason to vote Believer easily enough and tied his train with /hellian, and who knows what would have happened at that point.  Kat wouldn't have switch as either alignment.  Generally agree that her D1 progression is more likely to come from a villager.

 

Red did cross my mind too.

 

I feel like I've been on the same page as Pral a lot in this game.

 

 

I mean this is an assumption but a multi year DMer should at least CONSIDER Nyn being a Doc.

 

Theres other chars that could be the Doc but Nyn makes a lot of sense for that role imo.

 

And ya Ive agreed a fair bit with Pral as well.

[Shad_]

 

@ Shad-

 

Humor me here.

 

Do you think me and cass are Town?

 

 

Yes

 

Then why are you seemingly just shrugging me off or being pissy man.

 

I know Im annoying AF but if Town!Shad it Town reading Town!Zander.please just try to work with me and explain things instead getting annoyed nd pissy with me.

 

We've been working our butts off here man and I know Im dumb but unless you think Im a Wolf which you say you dont please try and suck up the annoyance and talk me through the things I have questions or concerns about please.

 

 

I answered your question like 20 times and you don't like my answer so you keep asking the same thing over and over again.  I can shrug you off and try to progress or we can play this game til deadline.  /shrug

 

Lynching Darthe because a wolf flip clears Halli is not a bad argument for lynching him first.

 

Lynching Kat first because a town flip might go a long way towards clearing Wifi is not terrible either.

 

In my head the latter feels better because it means either dead wolf or else cleared villa rather than either dead wolf and cleared villa or else nothing.

 

But I haven't dug into Wifi enough to know if that has the merit I thought or if I'm imagining things, and that equalizes the arguments for me.

 

I feel worse about Kat atp and I know that has a lot to do with her not being here while Darthe has been active.  Actually reading Darthe's posts since yesterday will allow me to reevaluate this further.  That's something I can't do if I spend my limited time endlessly rehashing why I disagree with there necessarily having to be a wolf between Darthe and Halli and why I don't think BFG's safe claims are going to look necessarily less probable than the real roles she included in the game.

[Zander?]

Am I a wolf. Yes or no. Pick.

 

Gun to head?

 

Yes

 

I believe based not only on her claim and the timing of it but her game play (ie going at JS and Hellion day 1 and choosing Heliion over him iirc) and some of her RL comments come from Town!Hallia way more often then not imo.

 

Ive also seen more then enough info as Ive mentioned both here and in both QT's that Ive seen some connections between you and Kat and you and Wifi that i thought could very easily be w/w.

 

I also believe your and Hallia's roles could quite easily clear or condemn the other.

 

I said I wanted you or Kat today.

 

I prolly still prefer Kat just a bit where Cass prefers you just a bit.

[Darthe]

Lol not even the consideration that both hally and I are town and we have both roles.

 

 

 

Im done. Im out. Its not worth my stress, glgl town.

[BFG]

D3 Votecount

 

 

Kat (5): Tiinker, Shad, Darthe, WiFi, Ironeyes

 

Darthe (3): Zass, Hallia, Pral

 

 

Not Voting (1): Kat

 

[Zander?]

 

 

@ Shad-

 

Humor me here.

 

Do you think me and cass are Town?

 

 

Yes

 

Then why are you seemingly just shrugging me off or being pissy man.

 

I know Im annoying AF but if Town!Shad it Town reading Town!Zander.please just try to work with me and explain things instead getting annoyed nd pissy with me.

 

We've been working our butts off here man and I know Im dumb but unless you think Im a Wolf which you say you dont please try and suck up the annoyance and talk me through the things I have questions or concerns about please.

 

 

I answered your question like 20 times and you don't like my answer so you keep asking the same thing over and over again.  I can shrug you off and try to progress or we can play this game til deadline.  /shrug

 

Lynching Darthe because a wolf flip clears Halli is not a bad argument for lynching him first.

 

Lynching Kat first because a town flip might go a long way towards clearing Wifi is not terrible either.

 

In my head the latter feels better because it means either dead wolf or else cleared villa rather than either dead wolf and cleared villa or else nothing.

 

But I haven't dug into Wifi enough to know if that has the merit I thought or if I'm imagining things, and that equalizes the arguments for me.

 

I feel worse about Kat atp and I know that has a lot to do with her not being here while Darthe has been active.  Actually reading Darthe's posts since yesterday will allow me to reevaluate this further.  That's something I can't do if I spend my limited time endlessly rehashing why I disagree with there necessarily having to be a wolf between Darthe and Halli and why I don't think BFG's safe claims are going to look necessarily less probable than the real roles she included in the game.

 

 

Dude seriously man w/e.

 

if youre Scum then you know this is fine.

 

But i was simply asking you to speculate on roles based on what we know.

 

Its like this, regardless of your alignment if you had just speculated something this would have been over a long time ago.

 

I know theres NO WAY TO KNOW whatever we speculate is correct or not.

 

But if youre Town and you happen to get got your thoughts ITT would be beneifical.

 

I know when Youre Town youre a GOAT TOWN BOSS!!!!!!

 

WORK WITH ME PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

<3 <3 <3

[Shad_]

Omg darthe youre going after the top townie bu consensus when youre about to get lynched today or tomorrow.

 

 

Im aware. If I remotely cared about living I wouldnt do this. I prefer to actually win the game though and I told you I needed to find the wolf yall missed. It aint shad, it aint hally, it aint marsh, it aint any of them.

 

Kat, zass, wild.

 

You all know how much easier it is to see the truth in my spot (assuming im town). Heres your effort, here is your resolve. Kill me to verify, thays totally cool, just dont forget what I say. Theyre going to want to bury this and get far far away.

 

So DONT LET THEM

 

At EoD2 you expressed doubt concerning Believer's claim because you didn't think there'd be a bulletproof-->IC, commuter, and doctor all in the game.  Believer flipped what he said he would and you trust Halli's claim right now.  What changed?

[Shad_]

Dude seriously man w/e.

 

if youre Scum then you know this is fine.

 

But i was simply asking you to speculate on roles based on what we know.

 

Its like this, regardless of your alignment if you had just speculated something this would have been over a long time ago.

 

I know theres NO WAY TO KNOW whatever we speculate is correct or not.

 

But if youre Town and you happen to get got your thoughts ITT would be beneifical.

 

I know when Youre Town youre a GOAT TOWN BOSS!!!!!!

 

WORK WITH ME PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

<3 <3 <3

I gave you my thoughts. You don't like them. Deal with it.

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay....caught up...

 

WIFI

- Wolf faction kills can happen in either location

- Zander and I are not scum

- Dice gifted us the BPV

- What do you think of my post re the order of Kat/Darthe?

 

I will agree to disagree on that.  

 

I want you to be town so much but I'm still not sure....does deadline end today or tomorrow?? I haven't seen a VC recently to see the counter??

 

I believe you.

 

I just know that I agree with you, this time...I think....     

 

 

Darthe - Do you believe Hallia's claim?

Yeah, I really doubted it last night cause three protective roles in game?? But its hard to get past the apparent lack of a wolf kill.


I believed it yesterday over believe and didn't think their could be three protects. Last night I doubted her because he was proven and I know mines real. Today I just look like a moron for doubting, so ive got little chpice but to believe somehow we have three.


Yet another point vouching for my consistency and openness despite *knowing* it would make me look worse.

 

 

I still don't get how being a commuter works....let me try to explain how I see how it works:  You say you are going to commute or go to TR and that means no one can hit you with their NA ??? doesn't make sense....why not just give you a BPV...with x shots...I been keeping up as I do this and darthe just pieced out....don't know if he would do that as town, I can kind of seeing him doing it as scum....the whole AtE....w/e I gotta get this post in before DL 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He could have gone to TAR n2 and used his ability and I don't see how it's logical to think he'd draw the nk given where he was at ITT D2.

@Darthe - please explain how your role works and the motivation behind going to TAR tonight and night 1 but not N2.

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

You're missing the point/question.

I'm asking why n3 is different to n2 for you.

Why you care where you end up n3 if you didn't care n2.

Why you would specifically choose to go to TAR tonight because:

I was in stedding because I again didn't submit. I wanted to get the NK since it was + ev at the time. Now, I've made sure to submit TEL

a) I don't believe you'd believe you'd be a legit choice for NK N2 after contention on you D2;

b) You made a point here that you've made sure to submit to TAR

My power starts to matter if I show that I can live through another day, especially if kat is a wolf. Do you think my reaction to you was a wolf or town reaction?

Can you explain the bold?

And your reaction could go either way.

Imagine a confirmed town player who can't be killed. Thats been my goal and I sware ive said that like three times now. All I need Is a peek or to clear myself which, I think, can be done.

 

 

I know he's peace'd out but I still don't get how being a commuter protects him from the night kill unless its like I have stated from above...kind of like he's the FLASH...  

 

Am I wasting my time? Do any of you give a damn about trying to clear me if I am villa?

 

Yes, I give a darn.  I want to clear you if you are villa! It's just hard for me seeing how cunning you are as wolf.  Just being honest.

 

 

I'm honestly not that far yet. I see you and wifi detracting actively from kat when its a sure thing and it just seems like trying to stay the noose. Thats my connection. If kat isnt a wolf I know one lf wifi or laya is because laya is classic wolf laya. Drop in with a safe, if good point, then disappear for a day. He has 50 ish posts and most came early, which he has learned establishes him.
Thats how ive developed these reads. Remember, my head wasnt half here before this day.

This was irt zanders question about my read development on him wifi and kat

 

 

What do you mean detracting actively....I thought she was town with her AtE at the end there....I still kind of do to be honest...yet...there is that nagging feeling...cause she pulled it before in her scum game....AtE...it was linked somewhere and I read it so I am keeping my vote where it is for now, well no I am not.  I am going to go with my gut and my gut has been telling me for like a while to: [unvote] [v] darthe [/v]

[Zander?]

Lol not even the consideration that both hally and I are town and we have both roles.

 

 

 

Im done. Im out. Its not worth my stress, glgl town.

 

 

After Tinks post about strongman and Dice

 

I willing to consider it poss man.

 

But you keep acting like that is THE ONLY REASON me and others are sussing which just absolutely ridiculous imo.

[Shad_]

I'm not being stubborn and refusing to answer you Zander.

 

You just don't like my opinion.

 

It's still my opinion.

 

I should make up random crap so we can move on but I'm not in the mood right now.

[BFG]

D3 Votecount

 

 

Kat (4): Tiinker, Shad, Darthe, Ironeyes

 

Darthe (4): Zass, Hallia, Pral, WiFi

 

 

Not Voting (1): Kat

 

[Shad_]

If Darthe wins this game as scum I will actually kill myself.

 

rofl

[Shad_]

Derf you're confusing me. EoD yesterday you were all about not getting lynched, but then you apparently want to draw the night kill, then you say you wouldn't accuse Zass of being scum if you wanted to live, but lunching you is a terrible decision for town.

 

So do you want to life or die? Cause you're giving mixed signals. Unless you're some sort of special third party who wins if you get NKd but loses if lynched, I don't see any rhyme or reason behind this.

 

It's in no one but a Jester's interest to get lynched, and put on the brink you're going to say what you think you need to say to get out of it.  I don't know that inconsistency in expressed attitude about getting lynched is alignment indicative.  It's self-preservative.  I do expect a coherent progression on reads.  Would really like an answer on what brought him to calling Halli likely town after thinking one of the protective claims was fake EoD2.

[Zander?]

 

 

My abilit can bevery easily proven you know?

 

 

Literally any target ability target me and youll get no result tonight. Im going into TEL.

 

pretty sure commuter can be a scum role too can it not?

So can doctor, or role cop, or vig, or jailkeeper, or bpv, or any other role sans IC.

 

But I can show that im homest in my claim and if not.That then im the ideal peek. Not even a strongman stops a commute in NAR

 

 

Again even remove the fake role claims part.

 

Sure you can be the commuter.  You cant prove your claim because theres no way to know 100% if someone even used the ability they may claim to use on you.

 

So sure its poss to prove your role.

 

But it does NOTHING to prove your alignment based solely off that.

 

Does what Im trying to say make sense?

 

Can you see why you saying all this about proving it has to be taken at best as Null?

 

 

Dude seriously man w/e.

 

if youre Scum then you know this is fine.

 

But i was simply asking you to speculate on roles based on what we know.

 

Its like this, regardless of your alignment if you had just speculated something this would have been over a long time ago.

 

I know theres NO WAY TO KNOW whatever we speculate is correct or not.

 

But if youre Town and you happen to get got your thoughts ITT would be beneifical.

 

I know when Youre Town youre a GOAT TOWN BOSS!!!!!!

 

WORK WITH ME PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

<3 <3 <3

I gave you my thoughts. You don't like them. Deal with it.

 

 

w/e man.

 

I'm not being stubborn and refusing to answer you Zander.

 

You just don't like my opinion.

 

It's still my opinion.

 

I should make up random crap so we can move on but I'm not in the mood right now.

 

I dont like the fact you wont GIVE an opinion on it

 

You just keep saying BFGs not a bad mod or youre not gonna guess about it.

 

I dont see how Town!Shad isnt even trying to factor it in.

 

Yes even making a decent answer up would be better.

 

But unless youre gonna try to answer and work with me, w/e

 

We'll come back to this if need be.

[Shad_]

How did Believer make MORE sense to you than Kat?

 

IMO it was fairly obvious that the dude was at a minimum trying very hard to draw the NK. There was an outside chance he was scum but after his previous game's play, and while that was an option he shouldn't have been an actual contender for the lynch.

I suppose I should go through the motions even on my town reads and ask why y'all voted Believer over Kat.

[Ironeyes]

I am going to go with my gut and my gut has been telling me for like a while to: [unvote] [v] darthe [/v]

Lol he totally called that this would happen.

[Shad_]

I dont like the fact you wont GIVE an opinion on it

 

You just keep saying BFGs not a bad mod or youre not gonna guess about it.

 

I dont see how Town!Shad isnt even trying to factor it in.

 

Yes even making a decent answer up would be better.

 

But unless youre gonna try to answer and work with me, w/e

 

We'll come back to this if need be.

FFS tell me what you want me to tell you so I can remove the quotes and pretend I said it myself.

[Shad_]

What do you want me to have an opinion on?  Do you want my opinion to be that BFG would not include three strong protective roles against a multi-use strongman?  Do you want my opinion to be that BFG would be very likely to do this?  Do you want my opinion to be that doctors are more common and therefor more likely to exist in a kitchen sink game, or do you want it to be that commuters are more likely because they're less common and we've seen a lot of uncommon roles?  You pick and I'll tell you that's my opinion.

[Shad_]

Im todays lynch over kat btw. Wild will hop on me to tie it and kat isnt voting yet, but I bet you she finds a way to miraculously show up.

lol

 

half way there

[Shad_]

 

Darthe - Do you believe Hallia's claim?

Yeah, I really doubted it last night cause three protective roles in game?? But its hard to get past the apparent lack of a wolf kill.

 

 

I believed it yesterday over believe and didn't think their could be three protects. Last night I doubted her because he was proven and I know mines real. Today I just look like a moron for doubting, so ive got little chpice but to believe somehow we have three.

 

 

Yet another point vouching for my consistency and openness despite *knowing* it would make me look worse.

 

What makes you say there wasn't a wolf kill?

[Shad_]

 

Well im glad to know you dont hate it.

It's more than that. I think I see someone or someones trying to save Kat again. Last EoD there was a sudden CFD that saved her, and now they're doing it again but early because there's a chance that the deadline comes soon. It makes me want to lynch Kat all the more.

 

 

I appreciate the feels but also consider that, if Kat's a wolf, there can only be one wolf trying to pull it off of her.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

Im todays lynch over kat btw. Wild will hop on me to tie it and kat isnt voting yet, but I bet you she finds a way to miraculously show up.

lol

 

half way there

 

 

You just don't get it.....He set this up....He knew that I would do this cause he knows how I reacted to AJ when AJ was deep wolf in a game and then I was in another game right off the bat with him and I sussed him heavily....He is a good manipulator...and he knows kats going to vote for self pres...so really not to hard to draw that as a conclusion

[Wildfire Sedai]

I mean you all said not to claim so I am not going to claim but I know darthe is lying about something I just can't say what without revealing my role.