Beyond the Wall - Game Thread - GAME OVER

[dicetosser1]

im not looking at Zander at all at this time because I KNOW i have a bias there.

 

You said youd get something good. I wanted to know what you got if he flipped town. It seems you arnt even CONSIDERING the option that he might be town.

 

considering its D1 that seems too adamant

[Lenlo]

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

im not looking at Zander at all at this time because I KNOW i have a bias there.

 

You said youd get something good. I wanted to know what you got if he flipped town. It seems you arnt even CONSIDERING the option that he might be town.

 

considering its D1 that seems too adamant

If your not looking at Zander, then why are you telling me what to do for that read? How am I supposed to take your opinion on the slot seriously when you refuse to read/give one?

[dicetosser1]

im not telling you what to do. I am asking you QUESTIONS about what info you get out of it if he flips town. 

 

Questions you are unable to answer it seems.

[SiRReN]

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

im not looking at Zander at all at this time because I KNOW i have a bias there.

 

You said youd get something good. I wanted to know what you got if he flipped town. It seems you arnt even CONSIDERING the option that he might be town.

 

considering its D1 that seems too adamant

Does this mean you're ignoring his posts, or just not trying to read him?

[Lenlo]

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:27 AM, dicetosser1 said:

im not telling you what to do. I am asking you QUESTIONS about what info you get out of it if he flips town. 

 

Questions you are unable to answer it seems.

I did answer them?

 

And how can you ask educated questions if you dont know why people are wolf reading Zander?

[Lenlo]

Like, why are you so concerned about info? Has info ever been a primary reason to lynch someone? "We think this person is town, but lets lynch them to confirm it and get info".

 

Thats never happened. Im not lynching him because I think we will get info because hes town. Im lynching him because I think hes a wolf. Do you know how you win mafia? You lynch wolves.

[Darthe]

  On 7/3/2016 at 11:50 PM, Lenlo said:

There a reason Celeste's vote on Snow isnt counting as a number or did you just screw up Darthe?

You know I kill people right? yes I messed up

[Lenlo]

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:34 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 7/3/2016 at 11:50 PM, Lenlo said:

There a reason Celeste's vote on Snow isnt counting as a number or did you just screw up Darthe?

You know I kill people right? [size:6] yes I messed up[/size]

 

You know this wouldnt be the first time ive lynched a mod, right?

[Andrej]

Derf lol

 

The better question to ask Dice is who he thinks will be a better lynch. And SiRReN isn't the right answer imo

 

Luckily his vote isn't necessary to lynch Zander and unless he is going to purposely try to swing a wagon elsewhere I don't see it not happening.

[Lenlo]

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:36 AM, Andrej said:

Derf lol

 

The better question to ask Dice is who he thinks will be a better lynch. And SiRReN isn't the right answer imo

 

Luckily his vote isn't necessary to lynch Zander and unless he is going to purposely try to swing a wagon elsewhere I don't see it not happening.

I actually already asked that question, but he didnt answer it.

 

His vote on Sirren is based on a single quote to. That he hasnt elaborated on after being asked about it.

[Andrej]

Lenlo I think he's more asking what we gain info wise if Zander is town. That's not really a reason to not pursue the lynch though imo.

 

Him using out of game stuff as a reason to avoid passing judgement on Z kind of stinks but it's also very Dicey.

[Lenlo]

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:40 AM, Andrej said:

Lenlo I think he's more asking what we gain info wise if Zander is town. That's not really a reason to not pursue the lynch though imo.

 

Him using out of game stuff as a reason to avoid passing judgement on Z kind of stinks but it's also very Dicey.

I know what hes getting at. I just dont see why that should stop me from lynching someone I think is wolfy. Like, yes the downside of Zander being town is that we dont get all that much info... and also he flips town.

 

Now, this may just be me, but the second one seems to be the bigger downside. And that one comes every time we are wrong. So my answer to Dice is this: Sorry not sorry. Ill take the chance of lynching a wolf D1 if the risk is "Dont get much info and oops lynch a towny.". Like, welcome to most D1s.

[Shad_]

  On 7/3/2016 at 7:35 PM, Celeste said:

I'm playing another game besides this one so my activity won't be Star Fox huge (150 posts a day) .

 

[v]John[/v]

 

He isn't bringing his thoughts out like past games I have been in with him. They also seem to be mostly agreements instead original thoughts.

 

Red, which games?  Blue, how can they be in agreement when they don't exist?  The dude has literally stated no reads whatsoever up to this point.

[Shad_]

Also hi Penneh.

 

Decent chance you subbed into a wolf slot but I'll lynch you with love.  :P

[Shad_]

I feel like I'm going to have to ISO Wifi's other game to get a proper read on her here and I really don't want to.  :\

[Shad_]

  On 7/3/2016 at 8:20 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 7/3/2016 at 8:15 PM, Celeste said:

I'm done and here. I don't like your tone but I'm willing to see you play a bit more before thinking if your tone is scum or just rusty town since it's been a while seeing you play. Snow is someone I believe is a lot more analytical than he is being. How is that scummy of me to think that?

 

I agree with you on Snow, but that doesn't rule out bussing/distancing.

 

Also what you said about John wasn't that accurate in the first place. He hadn't presented any thoughts, but you're voting him for copying others. So it's not even a legit reason imo.

 

I like villaging with you.

[Shad_]

  On 7/3/2016 at 8:23 PM, Celeste said:

It kind of just reeks a bit of try hard mafia or going deep which I have trouble with finding tone wise. I have played with him when I just started DM. Noted but I think this is not town Snow so far.

Ok, I thought maybe you had some other experience off-site or something.  In TUS John was a wolf, like you and everybody else.  In Ragnarok he was a villager, and you were a wolf hydra with Lenny and if my memory from ISOing it in WoW is at all accurate you were highly inactive in that game and your partner mostly carried the slot.

 

Low volume wolf playing in an unfamiliar environment a year ago, I'm kind of surprised that you'd remember any meta at all.

 

Like I was a wolf in my first VS game and I couldn't even tell you who half of the roster was let alone recall meta on them.

 

Was there something special about John in Ragnarok that made him really stand out to you?

[Shad_]

  On 7/3/2016 at 8:24 PM, Wildfire Sedai said:

what jobs do you get where you can go on non work related website and play a mafia game without being fired:

Stay-at-home dad's been a pretty sweet gig for me.

[SiRReN]

If Zander/Celeste flips scum, how likely is it that Dice is scum too? Does Dice defend his scum partners this much when he is scum?

[Celeste]

  On 7/3/2016 at 9:16 PM, Wildfire Sedai said:

 

  On 7/3/2016 at 8:43 PM, Celeste said:

 

  On 7/3/2016 at 8:40 PM, Wildfire Sedai said:

no my second game.

 

Who have you played with on this roster?

Hallia

Andrej

Lenlo

Dicetosser1

and Katiora

What are your reads on them?

[Shad_]

  On 7/3/2016 at 9:12 PM, Wildfire Sedai said:

i wasn't gonna say but she asked....I hate not being able to edit your posts...especially when you think of something after you hit post...cause I remembered I said I wasn't gonna say what game # I was on....and this is really late from my first post cause I had to eat supper in between...

Honestly, everyone is a lot easier to read if they just post what they think when they think it. If it means it takes you three posts to complete a thought, at least we can see your process.

 

Not particularly relevant to this specific topic, but in general let no editing be your friend.

[Shad_]

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:14 AM, SiRReN said:

If Zander/Celeste flips scum, how likely is it that Dice is scum too? Does Dice defend his scum partners this much when he is scum?

 

It certainly crossed my mind.

[Celeste]

  On 7/3/2016 at 10:25 PM, SiRReN said:

Oh okay, that's good to know.

 

Still not ready to vote anyway though. I'm not gonna let Dice pressure me into voting.

What do you think of Dice?

[Wildfire Sedai]

  On 7/4/2016 at 12:52 AM, Andrej said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 12:50 AM, Wildfire Sedai said:

AJ: thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I now understand.

What was your conclusion?

That kat and key were in your more scummy pile, so you already had them red flagged. The others sirren, shad, and lenlo were on your more townie pile so you felt okay in letting them slide for now.

[Shad_]

I don't know, I think Dice has been barking up the wrong tree quite a bit in this game and on the one hand it's usually a good look when he's off in left field doing his own thing, on the other it feels a little opportunistic.  Like a matter of trying to defend hard without looking like you're defending hard by actually going after the people pushing the lynch instead of just defending.

 

/shrug

 

Kind of want to see a Z flip before I put too much thought into it.