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  On 6/7/2016 at 3:34 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:26 AM, seph said:

to iso click the magnifying glass on the type right next to the search bar

 

type in the name

 

towards the bottom

click on as posts.

and swich descending to ascending

Thanks, but I don't see the "as posts" part?

 

 

its a little circle click box

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  On 6/7/2016 at 3:33 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

answered. forget my answer.

 

had something to do with her floating zander's argument, and treating me like town when she had me as a scum read.

What? (to the first part)

 

okay (to the second part)

Posted

People town read me before the cop read.

 

I'm undecided on you, either way though you over comitted to a wolf read then backed out suddenly. Your sketch.

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  On 6/7/2016 at 3:35 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:34 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:26 AM, seph said:

to iso click the magnifying glass on the type right next to the search bar

 

type in the name

 

towards the bottom

click on as posts.

and swich descending to ascending

Thanks, but I don't see the "as posts" part?

 

 

its a little circle click box

 

Okay, i found the "as posts" but it's still not giving me her posts, just the mentions/quotes

 

I'm too tired to figure this out tonight. I'll tackle it tomorrow.

 

Nobody but Silli answered my question about SK!Sili

 

I have some thoughts and stuff...but will sort through and post (some of) them later...

 

I'm tired and almost wound up posting this response within the quotes, so that's a sign that I should go to bed...

 

If I get up early enough I'll check in in the morning. Otherwise it will be after work and hopefully not a gajillion more pages :(

 

Dice...I'm watching you >.>

 

Darthe...I'm watching you too >.>

 

Goodnight!

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I got caught up for tonight. Nice to meet you Liz. You make a good first impression. I'm getting a townie vibe from all the questions you are asking. 

 

Tomorrow is busy, so I may or may not be able to keep up, depending on how much y'all post. 'Night

Posted

Zander, I take back what I said earlier about you being the best candidate among of the active players.  I went back and actually looked in depth at the posts I had skimmed over this morning, and I don't really feel that different about you.  What is different is Lenlo was much more active than I had given him credit for.  I had seen him posting back and forth with Sili, but skimming didn't do justice to what he had contributed.

 

Lenlo, I now understand your earlier question.  I DO maintain my position that there was a significant gap in contribution between you and Zander.  But I'll admit this, you had done far more than I realized.

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I still don't feel better about Lenlo than I did before, though.  His defense against Sili basically boils down to the fact that Lenlo didn't say anybody was scummy, verbatim.  He's not wrong...but I don't see why Sili SHOULDN'T have read into Lenlo's post that way.  Saying somebody 'seems off' has a certain connotation to it.  It's no different than saying somebody 'sounds good'.  

 

So again, if Lenlo honestly WASN'T trying to imply a...lack of towniness?... he made that catch up post to contribute nothing.

 

And the entire time he was going back and forth with Sili over the same points, he still didn't really give any opinions that MATTER.  Even when he was saying Sili seemed like an over-committed wolf, Lenlo still treated him like he knew Sili was town.

 

 
  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:35 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:33 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

I don't want to be stuck here for another 3 hours trying to communicate with a wolf when the wolf is intent on not understanding anything.

 

Quit it with the narrative. Im trying to move away from our argument because we both know the other wont budge. Fine.

 

So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future. Your not getting a lynch with just you so until other people weigh in and add something new, talk about other reads.

 

 

How do you make the red statement and the blue statements to/about the same person?

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  On 6/7/2016 at 5:24 AM, Clovdyx said:

I still don't feel better about Lenlo than I did before, though.  His defense against Sili basically boils down to the fact that Lenlo didn't say anybody was scummy, verbatim.  He's not wrong...but I don't see why Sili SHOULDN'T have read into Lenlo's post that way.  Saying somebody 'seems off' has a certain connotation to it.  It's no different than saying somebody 'sounds good'.  

 

So again, if Lenlo honestly WASN'T trying to imply a...lack of towniness?... he made that catch up post to contribute nothing.

 

And the entire time he was going back and forth with Sili over the same points, he still didn't really give any opinions that MATTER.  Even when he was saying Sili seemed like an over-committed wolf, Lenlo still treated him like he knew Sili was town.

 

 
  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:35 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:33 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

I don't want to be stuck here for another 3 hours trying to communicate with a wolf when the wolf is intent on not understanding anything.

 

Quit it with the narrative. Im trying to move away from our argument because we both know the other wont budge. Fine.

 

So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future. Your not getting a lynch with just you so until other people weigh in and add something new, talk about other reads.

 

 

How do you make the red statement and the blue statements to/about the same person?

Easy? I feel that he over comitted, either tunneling or what have you can be done as either alignment, and as such was refusing to talk to me. I recognized that the argument was going nowhere because neither of us were budging. Seeing that and that Sili was still around, I wanted to get his thoughts on other people. I dont understand the disconnect between red and blue.

 

At that point in the conversation all Sili was doing was calling me a wolf, hes a wolf, lynch the wolf, never unvoting, throw him in a hole. That kind of talk just isnt helpful. It doesnt move the game or anything forward. So I tried to get him to talk about something else because I wanted the game to move forward. I wanted to see if he was a towny tunneling me hard for stupid reasons or a wolf who went to deep and knew he couldnt back out. I didnt act like I knew he was town, I acted like I didnt know his alignment and was trying to figure it out.

 

As for the catchup post, I meant to spoiler it. It was mostly to let people know id caught up, here were some small things I noticed. Nothing was particularly wolfy or towny in the early posts imo. Atleast not on their own.

 

Also my defense against Sili is that hes twisting things, stretching things, saying I said things I didnt or phrasing them in ways that werent what I meant. Sili never even tried to understand anything he just shut me down over and over and said I am a wolf. I had to fight him tooth and nail to get him to explain anything in any sort of detail, cause Sili doesnt like explaining anything to us plebeians.

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Up through page 40...

 

-Hallia looks kind of good for her role in the Sili-Lenlo thing.  I already felt pretty good about her, but she sounded like she really didn't want it continuing, and I'm not sure she would call it off even if she had a dog in the fight.  

 

-Mixed feelings on Wishtree.  Tone wasn't so great on her earlier posts, and the rating intro's thing was really weird to me.  I have a hard time imaging any experienced scum would be the least bit concerned after posting, just on the premise of the Hallia/Thane's joke, so giving BFG a town lean for that is bad.  I had no issue with the way she approached Zander, and her explanation for her scumreading him makes a lot of sense FOR HER.

 

Zander is 100% correct when he says the things she's mentioning are null tells.  If you're trying to figure out Zander's alignment based on the fact he's joking or spamming, or basically clearing certain people for literally nothing, you're wrong.  

 

But for someone with ~limited experience with Zander and only knows him as mafia, it's not a huge leap for her to associate what she's seen with his scum game.  

 

-Not surprised Zander basically pushed her back, and I really don't care about that.  But for being a meta heavy player, I don't understand how Zander seemingly doesn't get where she's coming from.  Like I said, anybody that knows his town game trying to push that way should almost be strung up on principle, but unless he's prepared to argue that she OUGHT to know his town game that doesn't apply.  

 

 
  On 6/6/2016 at 8:39 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 8:34 PM, wish-tree said:

Do you not see what I'm saying?

 

you've been ticking my boxes for all the things I know of your scum meta

 

You haven't been not ticking them, therefore I had a scum lean on you that I'm trying to reevaluate and develop, except you're so focused on the part that it doesn't seem to be right that you're ignoring the fact that it is an EARLY READ AND THEREFORE SUBJECT TO CHANGE

 

I know but Im questioning them and telling you they are Null.

 

Why are you whining when you asked for this???

 

Makes no sense to me at all.

 

 

That's not wrong, but I have to think Zander would understand why "Trust me, that thing your pushing me for is null" isn't necessarily being trusted right off the bat....

 

 

The back and forth with BFG is painful.  I don't even know if it's scummy.  I just know I want to stab myself in the eye with a screwdriver for having read it.

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  On 6/7/2016 at 6:32 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 6:20 AM, Clovdyx said:

Hey, Lenlo?

What, im going to bed soon?

 

 

What's your read on Sili right now?

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  On 6/6/2016 at 10:58 PM, BFG said:

Page 30 is interesting in as much as I 'understand' and mostly 'agree' with everything Chris says, I just don't know if I believe it  :unsure:

It's all small stuff, but Lenlo points out and disagrees with early reads every game, the bigger point that Lenlo didn't really say anything in his catch up post is true, but :pulls face:

I need the bigger picture to read Chris though  :sad:

 

In addition to your height, and your ability to turn people into stone with your hair, your consistency is one of your most endearing traits.

 

:dry:

 
  On 6/6/2016 at 11:07 PM, BFG said:

 

Can you explain the difference between a townie not liking being called a wolf and mafia not liking it and what in his posts indicates the latter?

 

To piggyback of this, Darthe - why do you find it odd that Seph didn't like being called mafia?  Without going back to check the specific reactions, I feel that's par for the course for just about everyone.

 

 
  On 6/7/2016 at 12:35 AM, dicetosser1 said:

so lets see

 

theres a comment in there on reading of a player   zander in fact   and you say its not worth mentioning

 

then BFG is doing work asking questions of players    this is ure comment Id already asked her the question and this isnt answering it. Nothing worth mentioning    not sure what the first bit has to do with that quote but again not worth mentioning

 

then zander answers bfg but thats just more hamemring and not worth mentioning

 

then i continue to answer BFGs follow up  and u have no idea what its in reference too  so i assume u are skimming or only looking at things regarding you   but it not worth mentioning again

 

then u miss a point  ok fair enuff 

 

 

 

2nd set

 

finally one worth mentioning that you apparently already mentioned

 

more talk about how people read someone but not worth mentioning again

 

you missed another of clovs posts

 

 

 

So  if peoples comments about how they read and to an extent what they are reading a person are not worth mentioning what IS worth mentioning iyo??

 

I find it interesting that the two things you missed both happen to be clovs. I assume they are worth mentioning as you didnt say they werent.

 

 

I love the bolded part at the bottom.

 

Not sure where you're going with the very bottom, Dice, though maybe I can venture a guess.  Can you explain it for me?

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:55 AM, BFG said:

And I just had an essay on Zander which I lost and I don't think I can write it out in full now, so you get the high lights which will probably be easier to read anyway :rolleyes:

Disagree with his meta assessment on Niniel (Dice what's your read on her at the moment?)

Hate that he danced around calling me scummy at the start of our arguments, his refusal to state that he thought I was trying to distance from Seph until After our argument today when I asked several times yesterday feels really slimy BUT our actual arguments felt 'honest'

I hate his apparent lack of actually evaluating any of my responses to his arguments

Zander and I argue a lot as town

His argument with wish-tree reads pretty well from his side, still cautious on hers. He acknowledges that she doesn't have the meta to know that a lot of the things she associates with mafia him are null as he does them as town as well, yet that doesn't really affect his read.

His focus on multiple people is probably a good look, but I need to see how it develops.

Early posts were focusing on 'weird' things and seemed like noise for the sake of it, his more recent stuff reads better, but comes after a couple of people have pointed this out already.

Can't remember the rest right now

TLDR: /eh???

 

I agree with most of this post, but I think your point regarding his approach to wishtree is off for those very reasons.  Zander is almost an exclusively meta-reliant player, maybe the most reliant on it on the site.  I would expect that he would get where she's coming from, since it's not like she can exactly assign him town points for it if she's never seem him do these things as town.  

 

Her meta for him is nearly useless, but that doesn't mean it's inherently scummy.  

 

What's your overall take on him now?

 

 
  On 6/7/2016 at 1:05 AM, BFG said:

Sili is sort of shorter to talk about

Vote switching and engagement read as probable town

But I'm having real difficulty following his train of thought and that's concerning.

Silis also having a really strange reaction to any sort of questioning that I don't recall from his normal town game (would need to check to see if it's different from his mafia game)

I think Sili can maintain volume as mafia, but the issue is that's from an argument that mafia!Cory made in Matrix, so not sure how much I can trust it. He posted a tonne as third party in his last game, so I suspect he can do it as mafia. Question is would he?

 

 

I want to make a snarky comment about the middle, but I'm trying to be nice this game.

 

More seriously, I'm sure he CAN do high volume as mafia, but I don't think he can necessarily sustain it over an extended period of time - and I think recent history would back that up.  He had 33 posts in the alt game Nyn and I ran.  That was a smaller game, granted, but you had 100 posts pretending to be me.  I had 42 posts as the co-mod.

 

He had 51 posts in Nyn's stick figure game.  That ended a week after Mafia Karts, where he had over 600.

 

I'll concede he went insane in Lost as the serial killer, but I don't know.  I just haven't seem that kind of care from Sili when he was given the answers instead of trying to figure them out.

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  On 6/7/2016 at 2:17 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

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I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

 

 

What did you see that made you think that?  Based on conversations we've had about Zander in the past, I would have expected the opposite from you.

 

 

I saw your read on Lenore.  I don't really have any issue with it, but was there something that made you change your mind on her?  The way you phrased it kind of makes me think you're not there with her anymore?

 

Besides them, do you have reads on anybody else yet?

 

 
  On 6/7/2016 at 3:23 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 3:10 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 1:30 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Joking.

 

Lenlo was a slimmy player last game. He's just as slimy this game. His reactions have a certain steadfastness that are town however.

Oh please your just crap at reading me. Don't you blame this on me. People correctly read me last game and are correctly doing so this game. You just don't like that I think other things are important that you don't and vice versa.

 

So you think Sili is town?

 

 

I don't think this means anything much for your alignment, but I just wanted to say, you're basically a saint :wub:

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[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

I'd be fine with a lynch Niniel or Zander at this point too, but the disconnect between what Lenlo claims to be thinking and what he's saying just doesn't seem natural.  It's not exactly backtracking, because he didn't take a stance, but it seems like he's twisting his own words to mean something different (or nothing?).  Even now, I have no idea where he's at with Sili, and a lot of what he said makes me think he ought to be actively PUSHING Sili.  

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 6:01 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:24 AM, Clovdyx said:

I still don't feel better about Lenlo than I did before, though.  His defense against Sili basically boils down to the fact that Lenlo didn't say anybody was scummy, verbatim.  He's not wrong...but I don't see why Sili SHOULDN'T have read into Lenlo's post that way.  Saying somebody 'seems off' has a certain connotation to it.  It's no different than saying somebody 'sounds good'.  

 

So again, if Lenlo honestly WASN'T trying to imply a...lack of towniness?... he made that catch up post to contribute nothing.

 

And the entire time he was going back and forth with Sili over the same points, he still didn't really give any opinions that MATTER.  Even when he was saying Sili seemed like an over-committed wolf, Lenlo still treated him like he knew Sili was town.

 

 
  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:35 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:33 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:32 PM, Lenlo said:

Like, im trying to understand where your coming from and your reasons. But all your doing is hardlining against me and refusing me at almost every turn. Its not the attitude id expect of someone trying to solve the game, but rather someone who had over committed to a wolf read and knows theres no backing out now. Rather then discussing it and your other reads with me your shutting it down and saying "piss off wolf".

 

Cmon dude. Not talking aint gonna resolve/solve anything.

I don't want to be stuck here for another 3 hours trying to communicate with a wolf when the wolf is intent on not understanding anything.

 

Quit it with the narrative. Im trying to move away from our argument because we both know the other wont budge. Fine.

 

So help me figure out everyone else. If im really a wolf, talking about other people will help you ferret them out. If im town it will give you more to go on in the future. Your not getting a lynch with just you so until other people weigh in and add something new, talk about other reads.

 

 

How do you make the red statement and the blue statements to/about the same person?

Easy? I feel that he over comitted, either tunneling or what have you can be done as either alignment, and as such was refusing to talk to me. I recognized that the argument was going nowhere because neither of us were budging. Seeing that and that Sili was still around, I wanted to get his thoughts on other people. I dont understand the disconnect between red and blue.

 

At that point in the conversation all Sili was doing was calling me a wolf, hes a wolf, lynch the wolf, never unvoting, throw him in a hole. That kind of talk just isnt helpful. It doesnt move the game or anything forward. So I tried to get him to talk about something else because I wanted the game to move forward. I wanted to see if he was a towny tunneling me hard for stupid reasons or a wolf who went to deep and knew he couldnt back out. I didnt act like I knew he was town, I acted like I didnt know his alignment and was trying to figure it out.

 

As for the catchup post, I meant to spoiler it. It was mostly to let people know id caught up, here were some small things I noticed. Nothing was particularly wolfy or towny in the early posts imo. Atleast not on their own.

 

Also my defense against Sili is that hes twisting things, stretching things, saying I said things I didnt or phrasing them in ways that werent what I meant. Sili never even tried to understand anything he just shut me down over and over and said I am a wolf. I had to fight him tooth and nail to get him to explain anything in any sort of detail, cause Sili doesnt like explaining anything to us plebeians.

 

 

The disconnect is the red seems to suggest it was deliberate.  You're right that somebody can tunnel as either alignment, but I have never seen a townie say "ah, well, I've come this far - I have no choice but to lynch him, even though I think he's town."  If he's feeling trapped in a read, it basically means he has to be mafia.

 

And if you felt that way, it wouldn't be an issue.  But if you felt that way, why would you expect him to help you figure other people out?  I think Mafia!Sili - and probably anybody - is just going to sit and continue to attack the person they've decided they have to lynch, not try to offer the person a way out.

Posted

Actually there's probably a half dozen or so players I wouldn't be upset about if they were the lynch right now.

 

There's pretty much no chance I'm voting BFG, Seph, Sili, Hallia, or Alanna today.  Maybe throw in Liz and Dice.

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