[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

Lenlo · May 15, 2016

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

Honestly, what's wolfy about seeing a wildly split vote and saying "hey let's bring this together and lynch the person that the most people are suspicious of?"

The way she did it to me came off as her having no responsibility or accountability. She took the path of least resistance and just said "Instead of working this out and debating and talking, lets just lynch whoever is has the most people who dont like them!". The worst part about it is her abandonment of it.

Turin Turambar · May 15, 2016

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

Honestly, what's wolfy about seeing a wildly split vote and saying "hey let's bring this together and lynch the person that the most people are suspicious of?"

Can someone get me the post with poll results? I wanna check something.

Thane Vakarian · May 15, 2016

[v] Celeste [/v]

apologies to the mod for voting now

Dont lie....you did it on purpose.

I don't think Besie is wolfing this game. I can be wrong, but i think the chances for that are rather small. Today should be between Turin, Celeste (and perhaps Seph)

Why seph?

Because I still think there's a chance he's actually wolf this game, and not town. Something doesn't feel right there.

Read the pages since last night.

I have

Sili, Len, Eldrick, Thane, Shad and Seph as town. Iirc Thane and shad are the two masons, but if I am wrong there then please correct me, as that is the only way Thane is making this list. Seph and Sili are a bit lighter than the rest.

I'm null on Dice and Celeste.

Turin and Besie I think are the best shots at finding a wolf atm and I was slightly negative on Nyn but Zander hasn't done anything ping-worthy that I saw so I've less reason to push that atm.

Shad and I got the contract to build the Mexican Solution, so yeah, we're masons. (doing it for the money, not the political views btw)

@Besie: imo, wolves are PR hunting and will take care of Shad and myself at a later stage in the game.

Shad_ · May 15, 2016

Okaaaaayyyyy peeps! So everybody's votes were just scattered everywhere.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (1) - Kivam

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (1) - Celeste

Dice (1) - Seph

Kivam (1) - Sili

Not voting (4): Darthe, Hallia, Zander, Besie

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

Came up with a plan to find the one (or more) person that at least most people can agree on lynching.

The idea is this: if more than 5 people think a single person is scummy, and thus lynchable, these 5 are (1) not all wolves, they (2) all have their own reasons for thinking as such, and (3) if a scum member was bussing or covering, then they just doomed their own teammate.

Okay, #3 is maybe closer to hopeful thinking and might be what they want. But #1 and #2 is true. And if #2 is true, then that person, by general consensus, is the most scummy.

I'm going to vote that person, because that person is the person that the town, in general (with #1 and #2 in mind) agree on.

On page (p) 41, I asked everyone for at least 3 of their top wtl. This is the outcome:

Besie - p41 - Shad, Hallia, Turin, Darthe

Sili - p41- Seph, Shad, Kivam

Lenlo - p41 - NO - p42 Seph, Celeste

Celeste - p41 - Turin, Sili

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

Shad - p45 - Hallia, Kivam

Seph - p45,46 - Dice, Hallia, Sili, Kivam, Celeste , Nyn, Turin, Darthe

Dice - p46,47 - Seph, Nyn

Nyn - p48 - Celeste, Darthe, Turin

Turin - p50 - ????, Thane (voted)

Thane - ????

Darthe - ????

Kivam - ????

Eldrick - ????

When each person is then sorted according to how many people is wtl him/her, the list is as follows:

(5) Kivam

(4) Turin

(4) Celeste

(4)Darthe

(3) Shad

(3) Hallia

(3) Seph

(2) Sili

(2) Nyn

(2) Thane

(1) Besie

So, [v]Kivam [/v]

this one?

May 15, 2016

Is it theoretically possible to have 6/7/8 vanilla's in an advanced game of 15 players, of which 3 is scum?
why are you assuming 3 mafia?

T'was theoretical. If you look back, you'll see I've often said 3/4. I think somewhere someone said 3 and it stuck. Could be 3 scum and 1 SK or 4 scum and 1 SK - who knows?

Villager

Bookmark this and this, $$$.

I can't get my phone to load these pages. What are they?

I guess I can try later or in the morning.

MU roles DB and mafiascum wiki.

The former is the better resource of the two by a large margin, but Mafiascum still covers some ground MU misses.

Oh! Was this for me? Thank you! I'm also on my phone and it didn't load either so I just dismissed it at that point in time. Thank you.

Because we're deep wolfin ldo
Lol, Shad. I'm just wondering. Are they playing with our minds, or did they rather go for a possible PR? But that would mean they assumed you and Thane were VT. Are masons always VT's?
masons can also have other abilities. It is fairly rare however.

Mafia are frequently loathe to shoot masons that claim early because:

1. It confirms the remaining mason. In effect converting them to innocent child.

2. It uses up shots that can be used to cop/doc hunt.

But you already knew that.

Makes sense. Thanks, Turin. I haven't played a game where there's been masons before.

May 15, 2016

Lol Len

I'm leaving it to 50/50. I am for both Hallia and Kivam, so let's see.

Yeah I know. What happened to trusting your town core Bess? I thought 6 voices were better then 1? I thought you were bringing them togther to FIGHT THE RANDOM
Lol Len. I don't see what your problem is, honey. It was an idea that you obviously hated. Only 3 towns actually went for the plan.
After day ended but before hallia flipped.

Wanna reconsider???

Before she flipped....thats kinda different.

Ill wait to see her response.

Response to what? To his comment? I'm almost certain I already did somewhere.

Yes. I did. Not sure where and I'm not going to search for it on my phone.

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Seph, I asked you some questions on p85. Would you mind answering them?

Shad_ · May 15, 2016

The way she did it to me came off as her having no responsibility or accountability. She took the path of least resistance and just said "Instead of working this out and debating and talking, lets just lynch whoever is has the most people who dont like them!". The worst part about it is her abandonment of it.

Is that really so bad?

I mean I dunno BFG and I both routinely don't vote on D1. There's no lower accountability than that and we don't take flack for it.

I'm not saying this can't be agenda driven but I don't see where there's anything obviously scummy about it.

What if the majority had resolved on one of her team mates? Celeste was only one point behind as it turned out, and you think they were w/w.

Lenlo · May 15, 2016

The way she did it to me came off as her having no responsibility or accountability. She took the path of least resistance and just said "Instead of working this out and debating and talking, lets just lynch whoever is has the most people who dont like them!". The worst part about it is her abandonment of it.

Is that really so bad?

I mean I dunno BFG and I both routinely don't vote on D1. There's no lower accountability than that and we don't take flack for it.

I'm not saying this can't be agenda driven but I don't see where there's anything obviously scummy about it.

What if the majority had resolved on one of her team mates? Celeste was only one point behind as it turned out, and you think they were w/w.

She was only one point behind, but she didnt go anywhere near it. Infact if I remember correctly she and others have played it up as a "Was never gonna happen lynch", when in fact Celeste was 1 vote behind Kiv, 1 vote ahead of Hallia in her little Tally. Yes it was between Hallia and Kiv. Some really weird consolidation.

Turin Turambar · May 15, 2016

Okaaaaayyyyy peeps! So everybody's votes were just scattered everywhere.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (1) - Kivam

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (1) - Celeste

Dice (1) - Seph

Kivam (1) - Sili

Not voting (4): Darthe, Hallia, Zander, Besie

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

Came up with a plan to find the one (or more) person that at least most people can agree on lynching.

The idea is this: if more than 5 people think a single person is scummy, and thus lynchable, these 5 are (1) not all wolves, they (2) all have their own reasons for thinking as such, and (3) if a scum member was bussing or covering, then they just doomed their own teammate.

Okay, #3 is maybe closer to hopeful thinking and might be what they want. But #1 and #2 is true. And if #2 is true, then that person, by general consensus, is the most scummy.

I'm going to vote that person, because that person is the person that the town, in general (with #1 and #2 in mind) agree on.

On page (p) 41, I asked everyone for at least 3 of their top wtl. This is the outcome:

Besie - p41 - Shad, Hallia, Turin, Darthe

Sili - p41- Seph, Shad, Kivam

Lenlo - p41 - NO - p42 Seph, Celeste

Celeste - p41 - Turin, Sili

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

Shad - p45 - Hallia, Kivam

Seph - p45,46 - Dice, Hallia, Sili, Kivam, Celeste , Nyn, Turin, Darthe

Dice - p46,47 - Seph, Nyn

Nyn - p48 - Celeste, Darthe, Turin

Turin - p50 - ????, Thane (voted)

Thane - ????

Darthe - ????

Kivam - ????

Eldrick - ????

When each person is then sorted according to how many people is wtl him/her, the list is as follows:

(5) Kivam dead townie

(4) Turin I know I'm town

(4) Celeste: unknown

(4)Darthe: unknown

(3) Shad claimed mason

(3) Hallia dead townie

(3) Seph: unknown

(2) Sili: unknown

(2) Nyn/Z2.0: unknown

(2) Thane claimed mason

(1) Besie: unknown

So, [v]Kivam [/v]

Something that looks odd to me is that with the same number of votes at 4 and 3 the people I have as town (myself and shad) were listed at the top and the people I find as suspects (Celeste, Darthe {New} Seph) were listed under. there may be some innocent reason for this but it looks sketchy to me.

found some other funny things in the search but that will wait for the morning. I actually searched on mobile.

Lenlo · May 15, 2016

Look. Im not saying shes 100% lock wolf lynch her every time all day every day. Im saying she is the wolfiest person in the game to me. The alternatives ive been given? Turin or Seph basically. Compared to her? Not near as bad.

For me its either her or Celeste today.

Turin Turambar · May 15, 2016

Seriously, go read her ISO knowing what has happened.

Lots of LOLs

Darthe · May 15, 2016

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

I dont think I am.

I think youre not willing to consider the possibility youre wrong.

K. Ftr, you're biased as hell and it's a bit unsavory to see in yet another game. It's going to get abused badly sometime soon when people figure out that they can. It's also likely to get you killed til you change it.

I dont give a crap what you think tbqh.

Ill defend or go after ANY read I see fit to do so.

If it was read based I'd accept that. It isn't though, I've not seen her take a critique in the past few games without you chiming in to defend it. It's personal, and you admitted as much last game. This isn't the time or place to get into the philosophy of friendship affecting games, but keep it in mind Zander or you're going to harm the town.

Yes Im ive admitted i was bias....STILL DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT IM READING HER TOWN.

The EoD move makes 0 sense from Scum!Besie.

Ive said that numerous times.

Shes done nothing similar to her other Scum games.

Ive said this numerous times.

So if I think shes not playing to her Meta and she did something that makes 0 sense from a Scum!Besie perspective I would call that a read.

You disagree?

Show me how her EoD makes no sense to you from a wolf perspective please

Darthe · May 15, 2016

Zan and Darthe, argue the game, not one another's personality!

My bad.

Sorry Darthe.

Likewise apologies bro

Darthe · May 15, 2016

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

Honestly, what's wolfy about seeing a wildly split vote and saying "hey let's bring this together and lynch the person that the most people are suspicious of?"

D1 never really did go together, so id say it could be argues as wolfy. Probably not as much as Len has though.

Darthe · May 15, 2016

Z2, She could be either. I just don't see her being town here.

I think there is a level of seeking to be derp cleared with all these questions.

I disagree with everything this post is about.
I didn't hate it.

Ditto actually

Darthe · May 15, 2016

Okaaaaayyyyy peeps! So everybody's votes were just scattered everywhere.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Eldrick (1) - Shad

Thane (1) - Turin

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (1) - Kivam

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (1) - Celeste

Dice (1) - Seph

Kivam (1) - Sili

Not voting (4): Darthe, Hallia, Zander, Besie

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

Came up with a plan to find the one (or more) person that at least most people can agree on lynching.

The idea is this: if more than 5 people think a single person is scummy, and thus lynchable, these 5 are (1) not all wolves, they (2) all have their own reasons for thinking as such, and (3) if a scum member was bussing or covering, then they just doomed their own teammate.

Okay, #3 is maybe closer to hopeful thinking and might be what they want. But #1 and #2 is true. And if #2 is true, then that person, by general consensus, is the most scummy.

I'm going to vote that person, because that person is the person that the town, in general (with #1 and #2 in mind) agree on.

On page (p) 41, I asked everyone for at least 3 of their top wtl. This is the outcome:

Besie - p41 - Shad, Hallia, Turin, Darthe

Sili - p41- Seph, Shad, Kivam

Lenlo - p41 - NO - p42 Seph, Celeste

Celeste - p41 - Turin, Sili

Zander - p42 - Thane, Shad, Kivam, Darthe

Hallia - p44 - Besie, Kivam, Thane, Celeste

Shad - p45 - Hallia, Kivam

Seph - p45,46 - Dice, Hallia, Sili, Kivam, Celeste , Nyn, Turin, Darthe

Dice - p46,47 - Seph, Nyn

Nyn - p48 - Celeste, Darthe, Turin

Turin - p50 - ????, Thane (voted)

Thane - ????

Darthe - ????

Kivam - ????

Eldrick - ????

When each person is then sorted according to how many people is wtl him/her, the list is as follows:

(5) Kivam

(4) Turin

(4) Celeste

(4)Darthe

(3) Shad

(3) Hallia

(3) Seph

(2) Sili

(2) Nyn

(2) Thane

(1) Besie

So, [v]Kivam [/v]

this one?

Hadnt seen this post you quoted. Its really odd and kinda townie but def not sensible

dicetosser1 · May 15, 2016

I feel so handicapped by being an outed town in this game.

Like my sword of righteous fury has been stripped from me in favor of a pretty princess gown.

I wish I could just be VT in all games always.

Like, I understand that you're outed town, but to me that's good 'cause I've been reading your and Thane's opinions as town opinions. It's bad for you, because scum knows you can only be NK'd, and not mislynched or vigged... wait...

Why weren't either you or Thane NK'd?

because killing one confirms the other and leaves the cop and doc alive to mess with the scum

I will refer to them exclusively as Funshine Bear.

I want to be referred to as The Artist Formerly Known as Zander....wait..... no just a symbol......wait.....too soon????

here i got a symbol for you

its perfect for you bathead

page 88

Turin Turambar · May 15, 2016

Look in the spoiler about the vc. The leaders with 2 each were Seph and Celeste.

If one of them were to flip mafia would this plan seem better or worse?

Additional note: Seph had 8 people on his list. Including all 4 people that ended up with more votes than himself.

seph · May 15, 2016

besie/z2 from nyns d1 play/ turin/celeste/darthe/dice I honestly feel decent about darthe /dice atm.

Turin/besie/ 3rd

lenlo/turin highly doubtful imo

Celeste/z2/ someone else

These are just some scenarios running through my head. it's really hard without a turin/besie flip imo

Turin Turambar · May 15, 2016

First off I'm town so your first two are incorrect.

Are you actually suggesting I am on a team with Bes? How do you get there? You don't see any other way that Bes is mafia other than with me?

What changed your mind on Darthe and Dice?

May 15, 2016

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Turin (2) - Darthe, Celeste

Besie (4) - Turin, Lenlo, Sili, seph

Seph (1) - Besie

Celeste (1) - Thane

Not voting (4): Dice, Shad, Eldrick, Zander

With 12 alive there are 7 to lynch!

Eldrick4221 · May 15, 2016

And yes. Zander is dead. He may have replaced nyn too, but until I think I know his new alignment, he's dead.
This is false. Zander 1.0 is dead. Z 2.0 is quite alive. Your posts seem like you are troubled by that fact.
I kinda am, Turin.
that's because when mafia kill townies they prefer for them to stay dead.

How do you know the mafia kill was zander?

seph · May 15, 2016

if mafia killed kiv..... Where is a head desk gif....

Turin if you are actually town, The maifa team imo has to be in besie/z2/celeste/darthe/dice
darthe and dice is who I feel better about in my poe. your eod just sitting on besie really bugged me, when 2 people who had trains were also in your poe. I didn't mind the besie vote, but when It was going no where, why not have your vote matter?

Turin Turambar · May 15, 2016

And yes. Zander is dead. He may have replaced nyn too, but until I think I know his new alignment, he's dead.
This is false. Zander 1.0 is dead. Z 2.0 is quite alive. Your posts seem like you are troubled by that fact.
I kinda am, Turin.
that's because when mafia kill townies they prefer for them to stay dead.
How do you know the mafia kill was zander?

I don't.

Turin Turambar · May 15, 2016

if mafia killed kiv..... Where is a head desk gif....

Turin if you are actually town, The maifa team imo has to be in besie/z2/celeste/darthe/dice

darthe and dice is who I feel better about in my poe. your eod just sitting on besie really bugged me, when 2 people who had trains were also in your poe. I didn't mind the besie vote, but when It was going no where, why not have your vote matter?

because it seemed there was a considerable amount of doubt on the leading trains and I wasn't gonna let bes slide away. You switched to her. Too late. But still.

I thought about switching to Celeste but was really hoping to get bes lynched. She was the worst to me.

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