[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

Shad_ · May 14, 2016

Ok, read all of Lenlo, he's been pretty aggressive with suspects, and that's normal for him. There's a clear absence of interest in finding towns, and I don't know if that's normal or not. I remember in a game recently what really tipped me off to Lenlo being town was that he tore the hell into Hallia slinging accusations at her, but then backed off after a few, evaluated her responses, and resolved null or maybe town--don't remember which but definitely not wolf on her--and that's sort of how I characterize his town game. Go at someone so you can analyze their reactions.

I'm not sure if he's actually doing that in this game or if he's stopping after go at 'em. It's hard to say because he's not really stating any town reads. Like he went at Seph early and then stopped mentioning him at all--didn't state any conclusions on the matter. He's been relentless with Penny and Besie and to be fair they've both been iffy but I don't know if his level of conviction is an accurate reflection of how he actually processes the returns he gets on his aggro as a villager.

Shad_ · May 14, 2016

Besie's vote switch to rng the lynch between Kiv and Hallia a minute before deadline was horrible play as either alignment and it's so hard to tell what someone as naturally chaotic as her wouldn't do in her first town rand. I dunno and I'm really out of energy atp so I'll look at her after another nap.

Turin Turambar · May 14, 2016

Z, did you apologize? I didn't see it.

Bess, fair enough. It always pings cause it feels like guilty conscience and that you really knew she would be town. Or that you just want to lynch everyone.

And now really off to bed.

Not likely rereading until Monday if alive

I did the <3 <3 <3 as well.

The hearts weren't the major thing. It was the apology. Town is wrong they might say sorry I was wrong but her post came off as nearly groveling for forgiveness. Feels like guilty conscience.

Turin Turambar · May 14, 2016

Besie was sussing Kivam. I think she was also sussing hally.

She was advocating consolidating on whoever was mentioned the most in wtl (Kivam) to avoid random.

Hally and Kivam both claimed vt.

Besie stopped sussing both of them because of the vt claims.

Seconds before eod, she moves off of Kivam, putting him and hally at a tie for the lead, and onto Turin, who didn't have time to happen.

If besie is scum, Kivam probably isn't, and turin could be.

How does her voting me late implicate me as mafia?

I am not sure if a Bess mafia flip clears kiv.

Nynaeve · May 14, 2016

Guys, heads up, I've been having a hard time keeping up and I have a job search app and interview coming up that I need to prepare for in the next couple of days. Might have to bow out cause this takes priority. I'll let you (and obviously Sooh) know.

Turin Turambar · May 14, 2016

Day over

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (3) - Kivam, Shad , Seph

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (2) - Celeste, Besie

Kivam (3) - Sili, Hallia, Zander,

Besie (1) - Turin

Not voting (1): Darthe,

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

Lynch will be randed.

Bess, what were your reads on Celeste and Seph?

May 14, 2016

Turin,

I have seph as town. And Celeste as slightly towny, although I'm not too sure on her.

I didn't look at who were voting where at that exact point in time. I really wasn't thinking that far. The only thing that was going through my mind is "what of I'm wrong; what if they are vt; should I have gone with my initial readings rather than trusting theirs; eep help me".

I'm really curious about what Kivam's flip would have been.

Turin Turambar · May 14, 2016

Maybe you should have kept your vote there then.

May 14, 2016

Nope

Zander? · May 14, 2016

I'm wary of you, darthe. I haven't liked your game so far, and now you are suddenly pointing out things I agree with.
Ive had maybe 25 posts and read ten pages. How'd you develop that read?
Because of your playstyle this game. Because of your pop in posting and not reading the whole thread.

I agree that you have been coasting.

This is dumb.

It's not wrong.

Correct

Zander? · May 14, 2016

It's not wrong.

It really is. If that was the foundation for lynching folks youd have to lynch the third of the game with less posts than I as well.

But when you factor in your Meta its really not that dumb imo.

Zander? · May 14, 2016

so hallia is catching up right? always thought of her as an Fe.
an FE?

extraverted feeling.

I swear to all that I hold dear if you bring these god forsaken letters into this game I will lynch you on principle.

you have turin and lenlo nulll

and hallia and sili as people you want to lynch.

I am baffled. Sorry thane but I think you need to be the d1 lynch

lol what?! Explain this, now.

Lenlo light green town. Would be dark green, but he seems to need a reason to policy-lynch sili, which is suspicious

That would be something we in the nuisness like to call a joke.

It was either one of the slimiest posts I've seen Kivam make or a joke on his end. I'm kind of eeeeeeeeh on how someone can read it and not stop to think about motive here but I guess if no one else has been commenting on it...

Slimey in what sense?

Also fwiw there seems like there could be a poss connection between them.

Darthe · May 14, 2016

It's not wrong.
It really is. If that was the foundation for lynching folks youd have to lynch the third of the game with less posts than I as well.

But when you factor in your Meta its really not that dumb imo.

When you factor in my meta everything gets dumb really quick. I just do whatever comes to mind on a whim, how is that something you can guage? I mean, meta is about predictive value and I myself wing it half the time.

Zander? · May 14, 2016

Zander Turin Eldrick Seph Sili probably town, Seph I've paid the least attention to lately of that lot.

Was town on Besie and Lenlo when I dropped out, need to reassess them both.

Why Turin?

Not disputing it just curious as to what youre seeing?

Shad_ · May 14, 2016

Slimey in what sense?

Also fwiw there seems like there could be a poss connection between them.

"I swear to all that I hold dear if you bring these god forsaken letters into this game I will lynch you on principle."

Does anyone in their right mind interpret this as potential scum attempting to "justify" a policy lynch? But Kivam could have been joking.

Zander? · May 14, 2016

It's not wrong.
It really is. If that was the foundation for lynching folks youd have to lynch the third of the game with less posts than I as well.

But when you factor in your Meta its really not that dumb imo.

When you factor in my meta everything gets dumb really quick. I just do whatever comes to mind on a whim, how is that something you can guage? I mean, meta is about predictive value and I myself wing it half the time.

Well I am dumb so this is par for the course for me.

Then by your own logic Meta is at least effective the other half of the time right?

lolololol

Zander? · May 14, 2016

Slimey in what sense?

Also fwiw there seems like there could be a poss connection between them.

"I swear to all that I hold dear if you bring these god forsaken letters into this game I will lynch you on principle."

Does anyone in their right mind interpret this as potential scum attempting to "justify" a policy lynch? But Kivam could have been joking.

Ya this makes sense to me.

Shad_ · May 14, 2016

Zander Turin Eldrick Seph Sili probably town, Seph I've paid the least attention to lately of that lot.

Was town on Besie and Lenlo when I dropped out, need to reassess them both.

Why Turin?

Not disputing it just curious as to what youre seeing?

Basically he's continued to react and respond to situations in the ways I expect town!Turin would.

Lenlo · May 14, 2016

I'm pretty drained already and need to lie back down. Besie and Lenlo both set my hair on end at EoD but I haven't been able to fully process it yet.

I'll wager they aren't w/w though. I don't think scum!Lenlo willingly goes at his team mates to that extent. v/v is entirely possible but I need to look at it again

Why Lenlo? I've been feeling good about him

Initially? The defense of Kivam at EoD when I don't see how anyone could have had him above null.

I dont have him above NULL. My def of him was predicated on the fact that alot of people were suddenly voting him out of nowhere, with no real case made and no real reason. If someone had given me a legit case, something to actually evaluate, coulda gone from there. But the closest I got was from Zander and I didnt think what he presented was all that bad.

Lenlo · May 14, 2016

Also Celeste has done nothing to show me shes townie.

For Bess, ive left the door open. Ive said multiple times how if she is town that EoD play was horrible and in no world a townie move. Over the night I became more concerned with how Zander was still 100% town reading her after that EoD.

Shad_ · May 14, 2016

I dont have him above NULL. My def of him was predicated on the fact that alot of people were suddenly voting him out of nowhere, with no real case made and no real reason. If someone had given me a legit case, something to actually evaluate, coulda gone from there. But the closest I got was from Zander and I didnt think what he presented was all that bad.

What takes him off the table for D2?

Zander? · May 14, 2016

Zander Turin Eldrick Seph Sili probably town, Seph I've paid the least attention to lately of that lot.

Was town on Besie and Lenlo when I dropped out, need to reassess them both.

Why Turin?

Not disputing it just curious as to what youre seeing?

Basically he's continued to react and respond to situations in the ways I expect town!Turin would.

Ok just wondering cause Im still awful at reading him.

Darthe · May 14, 2016

It's not wrong.
It really is. If that was the foundation for lynching folks youd have to lynch the third of the game with less posts than I as well.
But when you factor in your Meta its really not that dumb imo.
When you factor in my meta everything gets dumb really quick. I just do whatever comes to mind on a whim, how is that something you can guage? I mean, meta is about predictive value and I myself wing it half the time.

Well I am dumb so this is par for the course for me.

Then by your own logic Meta is at least effective the other half of the time right?

lolololol

Inconsistent but lol yeah. Meta is a tool like any other. Its not foundational

Zander? · May 14, 2016

I'm pretty drained already and need to lie back down. Besie and Lenlo both set my hair on end at EoD but I haven't been able to fully process it yet.

I'll wager they aren't w/w though. I don't think scum!Lenlo willingly goes at his team mates to that extent. v/v is entirely possible but I need to look at it again

Why Lenlo? I've been feeling good about him

Initially? The defense of Kivam at EoD when I don't see how anyone could have had him above null.

I dont have him above NULL. My def of him was predicated on the fact that alot of people were suddenly voting him out of nowhere, with no real case made and no real reason. If someone had given me a legit case, something to actually evaluate, coulda gone from there. But the closest I got was from Zander and I didnt think what he presented was all that bad.

If it wasnt bad why didnt you consider it?

Shad_ · May 14, 2016

I wouldn't consider myself great at it.

I think he might have fooled me in ToS but I wasn't paying terribly much attention since he was my team mate.

Still like what I've seen so far.

[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

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