Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Eldrick4221]

 

I really don't like this post from Tsuki. He made it appear like he had viewed laine. She was his top scum read d1, and his response to "who he tried to view" was something along the lines of "exactly who you think it would be". Assumptions were made that it was laine.

 

I think his attitude towards her changed too. I'll have to double check that. Which would coincide with this read that he apparently didn't have.

 

Also, waiting to mention your null view until said view flips is such a cop out.

 

The only reason, only reason, I'm not stringing you up right now is because your claim is uncontested. I would expect the real cop to have viewed you by now if you were lying.

 

But your post reeks of scummy.

First off, I never said she wasn't a scum read (and continues to be one) - I said I did NOT view her because the only person who thought she was scummy was me. My role as Cop is not to find out MY scum suspects, it's to help town in the best way I can. That is why I viewed Rey the first night, and you the second. Both of you were in multiple people's scum pools, and it is my job (IMO) to make views that will have to biggest impact. Say I viewed Laine, and found out she was Town - everyone else would be like 'duh', and only I would have a smaller suspect pool. And as to why I lied about who I viewed - why that fraq would I warn someone I was viewing them?? If I said I tried to view Laine, and scum KNOWS she is Town, they might just let my view go through, on the premise that me finding a Town is a better deal than them having no idea who I am targeting and risking me find a scum... I shouldn't have to explain why that is definitely pro-Town, and pro-Role...

FOS back at you, for continuing to act like my claim may be fake, and acting like you could 'string me up', spewing suspicion... You shouldn't even be coming at someone who just confirmed you - not a good look.

That makes sense.

[Eldrick4221]

I already covered why bringing focus to hally's claim was a bad idea. I wasn't the only one to think so. Just because it was obvious to you doesn't mean it was to everyone. And it also doesn't mean it's a real claim. You making her own up to her doc soft claim just brought focus to it, which is exactly what the doc doesn't want.

[Eldrick4221]

Blah. I only slept 4 hours.

[Sooh]

wow reading all these posts is killer. So not motivated to do it. I've been reading Shad's ISO. What are you guys' feelings about Shad? From what I can tell he's not outside his scum meta. 

[Eldrick4221]

One of the big tells I have for people that sub in is the effort they take in catching up.

 

The fact that you thought you could get by without reading the whole thread looks bad.

 

Do you have any reads yet?

[Sooh]

I'd like to think that I can go into the game here and get reads as time goes by, but if you are going to force me to have a full reads list right now, then nope. 

 

I read Shad's ISO, because he was in POE for many people, or at least that was my impression.

 

Laine seems to be a bit in POE as well after her pushing for a Rey lynch ahead of an RTE one.

 

From Shad's ISO there's at least one post that might suggest the two of them are in cahoots, and I think that's about all we'll get from Shad, because he's an expert at setting it up so that we think people who aren't his partners might be when he's scum. So IF Shad is scum, Laine MIGHT be his partner, and that's where I'm at.

 

Hallia is pretty much confirmed to me now, as is Tsuki and by extension Eldrick. Dice's claim is not likely to be fake IMO, so he might be clear.

 

Turin could still be scum, but it would be very high risk to go out on a limb the way he did on D1, still, I wouldn't put it past a scum team to take that gamble. 

 

I have no idea where to put BFG/Nikon or Niniel at this point.

[Turin Turambar]

I already covered why bringing focus to hally's claim was a bad idea. I wasn't the only one to think so. Just because it was obvious to you doesn't mean it was to everyone. And it also doesn't mean it's a real claim. You making her own up to her doc soft claim just brought focus to it, which is exactly what the doc doesn't want.

First if it isn't a real claim then we have a mafia hung out. 

 

Second. If it was obvious to me from one re read then I can't see mafia NOT noticing. People need to be held to their words. If you don't like it too bad.

[Nikonis]

Alright, going to give this a try and pray things stay slow enough to get some work in here... Closing fingers!

[Niniel]

Shad

 

#134 First post in which he thinks Dice town read Zander too easy.

#305/329 Defends Eld against Tsuki

#334 Vote Tsuki, no real reason, he thinks Dice looks good

#269 Tsuki looks defensive (his reason for voting Tsuki?)

#371 Defends me and Dice from Zander who said we tried hiding behind long posts

#508 Likes Laine

#514 Starts to question Turin about the qt after Turin´s reveal

#519 Unvotes Tsuki after claim, later defends his claim when I question him

#526 Quotes Hallia and says she is probably town

#577 Starts to question Turin/Zander - is one of them lying? (later Zander said yes)

#601 Doesn´t know what to think about Zander

#605 Town is Tsuki, Eld, Hally, Laine and maybe Rey, will chew on Dice/Zander/Turin

#688 Turin´s behaviour in the qt makes him look better than Zander, continues to argue with Zander after this

#763 But here he "doesn´t hate" Zander´s post (his vote on RTE)

#855 Questions RTE

#1000 Defends Eldrick when Hallia votes him

#1007 likes another of Zander´s post about RTE

#1022 Leaning v/v on Turin/Zander but not sold on Zander

#11027 Vote RTE, no reason

#1126 Reasons for voting RTE - opportunistic vote on Zander, going after Dice, 

#1304 Would lynch Dice over Zander

 

#1494 Doubts about Turin but still wants to call him town

#1507 Says Len asking questions that doesn´t lead anywhere. He will see Len´s alignment eventually.

#1511 "Don´t hate" my post about people (RTE in this case) being okay with agreeing with others.

 

#1816 Says the na gives Tsuki town equality outside his claim (Don´t understand this.)

#1822 Says that my "can´t post now, will post later" post is scummy but he doesn´t want to judge me because he does that himself

#1840 New list - almost everyone is green, except BFG and RTE

Spends many posts on defending himself, saying that he hasn´t been active enough but was active d1 and got RTE lynched.

#2460 Looks into RTE´s posts and thinks that Dice and Turin is town and Eld and Lenlo looks worse.

#2545 Most interested in Sooh and Nikon today

 

 

 

 

+ He was the one who kept questioning Zander so that he finally said that Turin was lying. (That is why I voted Zander.)

+ Don´t mind defending people. 

+ Voted known symp.

 

 

- But he never actually went anywhere with that information. He continued to question Zander while he agreed with his posts on RTE. Turin (?) said that it looked like he looked happy to keep the discussion going without taking any stances. I agree.

- Defending some people a little too much? Trying to make people on his side? 

- Not sure if the symp thing counts since we don´t know if mafia knew he was a symp or not. 

- Went emo when people started to suspect him

 

 

 

I would say that - outwages +. He is one of my lynch candidates today. I will take a look at Sooh´s posts and see what I think about that spot since she took over from Lenlo. 

[Niniel]

I´ll start with my iso post and read up after that. 

 

Lenlo

 

 

+ I agree with him about Tsuki

 

- The way he went after Dice. First because he was defensive and reactionary. Well, he was an early suspect so he had to defend himself, right? Then he gets hung up on the "extra, special vote". I agree with Dice that he is misinterpreting him her. And even though he later says that he never said Dice was town #1118 and #1119 speak against that.

 

 

Lenlo doesn´t look good. 

[Eldrick4221]

Is it normal for nini to put in this much effort as scum, cuz I'm getting town from it.

[Niniel]

Lenlo didn´t post after my iso so I read Sooh´s posts.

 

She voted RTE and said that his spot would have to be resolved. I don´t know if this is good or bad. Still don´t know how to analyze the trains on RTE. Did he know the mafia team? They they know about him? If so, would they bus. So I guess it´s null for me.

 

She questioned Rey´s claim when it happened which I understand. It was weird to get unvoted when he wanted to be the longest train. Anyway, that is solved now.

 

She says it´s a lot of roles and that it´s hard to trust claims. In #2401 she questions Hallia´s claim. 

 

 

 

 

I'd like to think that I can go into the game here and get reads as time goes by, but if you are going to force me to have a full reads list right now, then nope. 

 

I read Shad's ISO, because he was in POE for many people, or at least that was my impression.

 

Laine seems to be a bit in POE as well after her pushing for a Rey lynch ahead of an RTE one.

 

From Shad's ISO there's at least one post that might suggest the two of them are in cahoots, and I think that's about all we'll get from Shad, because he's an expert at setting it up so that we think people who aren't his partners might be when he's scum. So IF Shad is scum, Laine MIGHT be his partner, and that's where I'm at.

 

Hallia is pretty much confirmed to me now, as is Tsuki and by extension Eldrick. Dice's claim is not likely to be fake IMO, so he might be clear.

 

Turin could still be scum, but it would be very high risk to go out on a limb the way he did on D1, still, I wouldn't put it past a scum team to take that gamble. 

 

I have no idea where to put BFG/Nikon or Niniel at this point.

 

Just a question - how do you start with reading someone´s iso when you haven´t read the game? How does a person´s posts make sense?

 

Are you suspicious of Laine?

 

You said earlier that you had a hard time believing people´s claim, what made you change your mind? 

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

Official Vote Count

 

Shad (2): Turin, Eldrick

 

 

 

Not voting (8): Niniel, Tsuki, Nikon, Dice, Sooh, Shad, Hallia, Alanna

 

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to Lynch.

 

 

Day 3 deadline is 9pm BST Monday 25 April

 

Countdown to end of Day 3

 

 

Curse these weekends. Of course you can achieve a majority Lynch any time before.

 

 

 

No change.

[Niniel]

I´ll see what Sooh has to say. Lenlo is still very suspicious. It´s hard to judge people that comes in in the middle of the game. I feel that I should wait to see what she and Nikon has to say after re-read.

 

Until then

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

If Shad is mafia then I think it´s a good chance that Sooh is too. 

[Sooh]

Lenlo didn´t post after my iso so I read Sooh´s posts.

 

She voted RTE and said that his spot would have to be resolved. I don´t know if this is good or bad. Still don´t know how to analyze the trains on RTE. Did he know the mafia team? They they know about him? If so, would they bus. So I guess it´s null for me.

 

She questioned Rey´s claim when it happened which I understand. It was weird to get unvoted when he wanted to be the longest train. Anyway, that is solved now.

 

She says it´s a lot of roles and that it´s hard to trust claims. In #2401 she questions Hallia´s claim. 

 

 

 

 

I'd like to think that I can go into the game here and get reads as time goes by, but if you are going to force me to have a full reads list right now, then nope. 

 

I read Shad's ISO, because he was in POE for many people, or at least that was my impression.

 

Laine seems to be a bit in POE as well after her pushing for a Rey lynch ahead of an RTE one.

 

From Shad's ISO there's at least one post that might suggest the two of them are in cahoots, and I think that's about all we'll get from Shad, because he's an expert at setting it up so that we think people who aren't his partners might be when he's scum. So IF Shad is scum, Laine MIGHT be his partner, and that's where I'm at.

 

Hallia is pretty much confirmed to me now, as is Tsuki and by extension Eldrick. Dice's claim is not likely to be fake IMO, so he might be clear.

 

Turin could still be scum, but it would be very high risk to go out on a limb the way he did on D1, still, I wouldn't put it past a scum team to take that gamble. 

 

I have no idea where to put BFG/Nikon or Niniel at this point.

 

Just a question - how do you start with reading someone´s iso when you haven´t read the game? How does a person´s posts make sense?

 

Are you suspicious of Laine?

 

You said earlier that you had a hard time believing people´s claim, what made you change your mind? 

Events over night made me change my mind. RTE's flip and Tsuki/Hallia have sort of collaborating stories in that she says she protected him and he didn't die. In fact, nobody died N1. 

 

How do I read people's ISOs? Simple. I just do. I came in at a time when I was unable to devote a lot of time to this game, so I picked out RTE to read first. His slot was pretty much mechanically solved though. Most people have a tendency to quote what they are responding to as well, which makes reading an ISO easier. 

 

I am a little suspicious of Laine, yes, though I would prefer I think to resolve Shad first. 

 

I have put Zan, RTE and Rey on ignore and I'm reading the thread from the beginning now.

[Sooh]

I´ll see what Sooh has to say. Lenlo is still very suspicious. It´s hard to judge people that comes in in the middle of the game. I feel that I should wait to see what she and Nikon has to say after re-read.

 

Until then

 

[v] Shad [/v]

 

If Shad is mafia then I think it´s a good chance that Sooh is too. 

???

 

Shad is my main suspect, so if he flips mafia I must be scum?

[Niniel]

Shad has defended Lenlo all game until today when he says you are an option. 

[Sooh]

Shad has defended Lenlo all game until today when he says you are an option. 

So basically he's been defending a team mate until now, when he's under suspicion and then he's bussing. I can see how that's a viable way of thinking. 

 

It's still wrong.

 

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

Should be L-2

[alannalynn]

Sorry guys I haven't been here,  I don't mind a Shad lynch at all; he's just felt so weird this game, and I've given him the chance to prove he's town but I'm just not feeling it

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

Official Vote Count

 

Shad (4): Turin, Eldrick, Niniel, Sooh

 

 

 

Not voting (6): Tsuki, Nikon, Dice, Shad, Hallia, Alanna

 

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to Lynch.

 

 

Day 3 deadline is 9pm BST Monday 25 April

 

Countdown to end of Day 3

 

 

Curse these weekends. Of course you can achieve a majority Lynch any time before.

[Nikonis]

Swapping the quotes for links to fix quote issues but still give reference to what I am reading. This also allows more reads in one post since there is a quote limit on a single post and I've exceeded it then needed to cut some stuff out in the past few read posts.

 

 

+1 TURIN - PAGE 22, POST 428 THROUGH 436 - Some good responses and posts, interested what the big secret is that has to wait till end of game.

 

+/- 0 TURIN - PAGE 22, POST 429 - No points either way cause not looking too far into the claim but in the movie, Dana was possessed by Zuul, the protagonist ghost, who later summoned staypuff.

 

-1 DICE - PAGE 23, POST 441 - So far I have Turin as one of my higher reads and we know Zander flipped town (honestly haven't cased his posts except to look for strong info we may use to find scum and since the train was on him for a while D1 there is that but looks a little murky for now.

DICE, could you expand on why you voted this way over someone else? (If you remember back to your thoughts at that time)

 

+1 ELDRICK - PAGE 23, POST 444 THROUGH 448 - Good posts and seeing something I found urky too is always deserving of a plus

 

 

-1 TSUKI - PAGE 23, Post 449 - No points either way for the cop claim, could be valid of a cover, though the vote on someone I have stronger reads on is a negative in my eyes.  Also, looking towards current day questions people have asked, why hasn't he been a target for scum block or kill?  Wouldn't the cop be a good person to kill (especially over Rey's Gov role)?

TSUKI, could you expand on why you voted Alanna over someone else? (If you remember back to your thoughts at that time)

 

 

+1 DICE - PAGE 23, POST 451 & 454 - He points out something I found questionable and asks questions about it. Even though Zander's death was due to a Governor, wouldn't the following have been looked at?  

... say u get zander lynched  ok thats one townie down but if he flips town ure pretty much a dead man. not a great scum strategy really.

DICE (OR ANYONE), was this claim ever re-evaluated on D2?

 

-1 DICE - PAGE 23, POST 460 - A minute ago you said it was a gutsy claim and, depending on the EOD flip, would have to question it.  Now you act like the claim is fact saying hopefully he claims someone other than GF.  While it is great to be optimistic on his claim I just can't overlook the two polar opposite statements (unless I am misreading this).

 

+/- 0 NINIEL - PAGE 24, POST 466 - This brought to mind a question for anyone who can answer it... Do neighbors have special abilities, are they usually independant, one on each side or something else?  Know they're rare but trying to figure their "use" out.

My first thought is that one of the neighbours is mafia but it doesn´t have to be that way. 

 

 

 

+1 TURIN - PAGE 24, POST 467 - All good points as to why the claim could be bad if scum.

 

-1 NINIEL - PAGE 24, POST 468 - Sorry but this post made no sense to me, if you were posting saying where you left off, why post that and nothing else?  If trying to reference something then I must have missed whatever that was.

 

+/- 0 NINIEL - PAGE 24, POST 472 - Well, that answers one of my questions... 

 

ZANDER - PAGE 25, POST 492 & 496 - Just noting for reference on some things he mentioned.

 

 

 

PAGES 1-25 (+ CONFIRMED PLAYERS)

+4 Turin

+3 Alanna

+2 Eldrick

Niniel

Dice - CLAIMED STUMP

Shad

Hallia - CLAIMED DOC

-1 Sooh

-2 Tsuki - CLAIMED COP

 

 

CONFIRMED TOWN

Zander - Town Neighbor

Rey - 2 x Governor

 

CONFIRMED SCUM

RTE - Mafia Sympathiser

 

 

Going to take a quick break but feel I made some decent progress so far and, with luck, can continue in a little bit.  Picking up on page 26 after my break.

[Nikonis]

Well, still catching up so not really in a great place to vote though with so many of you sure of him, and his being null so far with my read list, I'll cross my fingers.

 

[v]SHAD_[/v]

[alannalynn]

Tsuki, curious as to why you didn't get blocked. Anyone wanna claim the N1 block?

I'm assuming he got blocked N1, hence the no result. But N2 makes no sense unless they thought Rey was a threat

 

Eldrick, I sussed her until she came out and said it was in her first post of D2. I then went back and lSO'd her and saw that there was a fair amount of Doc hinting there. Like I said I generally do not look for PR hints as town. Once I actually took a look there then I clearly saw it was there and that there would be literally NO WAY that mafia would miss it. 

 

I would say that there is only a small amount of tinfoil there just because if there was a true mafia RBer then I don't see a world where she is alive today.

 

As for why Rey died, PoE is getting tight for mafia. If they are trying to suss two people and then just happen to pick the one that is town then  the Governor role is very valuable.   This situation is part of my lingering little niggle about Alanna. We were both sitting there looking for an alternative to RTE yesterday. Me because I thought the reasons people were giving were not good, her because she was saying that she had a suspicion he might be town. she said that she would be willing to consider Shad but when push came to shove she elected to go after Rey. We now know Rey was town. 

I completely agree with the bold. The optimal plan for last night would have been RB/kill the doc, so I'm assuming there are other powers at play here.

 

As for the red... What? There is no way in hell I'm not town here with the amount of work I've put into this game and trying to solve. I gave SHAD leeway because he had finally died in the Anni game and I wanted to see him catch up here and prove to me he's town, which he's failed to do. I didn't exactly expect him to get upset with me pushing him either, that's not something I've seen with him of either alignment. Rey has been here all game and I cased him and decided to go that route. Even after he claimed governor I didn't believe him. To say "when push came to shove" is ridiculous, I did what I thought was right at the time and we ended up lynching the symp.

 

i did   i thought he was a scum governor      think laine did too iirc

^

 

Laine seems to be a bit in POE as well after her pushing for a Rey lynch ahead of an RTE one.

 

From Shad's ISO there's at least one post that might suggest the two of them are in cahoots, and I think that's about all we'll get from Shad, because he's an expert at setting it up so that we think people who aren't his partners might be when he's scum. So IF Shad is scum, Laine MIGHT be his partner, and that's where I'm at.

 

Hallia is pretty much confirmed to me now, as is Tsuki and by extension Eldrick. Dice's claim is not likely to be fake IMO, so he might be clear.

 

Turin could still be scum, but it would be very high risk to go out on a limb the way he did on D1, still, I wouldn't put it past a scum team to take that gamble. 

 

I have no idea where to put BFG/Nikon or Niniel at this point.

I really hate being sussed this game. I had second thoughts about RTE, and what you said doesn't even make sense. If I was scum, I would have assumed both were town and wanted to lynch either since mafia traditionally doesn't know who the symp is or even that there is one. The easier route would have been to just push through the lynch on RTE yesterday, and probably earlier than DL since that's where it was going anyways. At least Turin makes sense when he says I chose Rey over Shad as the counterwagon.

 

I like the rest of your reads though, especially Hally/Tsuki/Eldrick/Dice. I would lean more town on Niniel for some earlier posts where she was doing some pretty solid ISOs. Nikon is catching up, so we'll see where that leads us, but I had a town read on BFG.

[alannalynn]

L-1

 

I'll hammer if y'all want me to, otherwise I'm going to look at his ISO

[Eldrick4221]

Don't disagree with the vote. Don't like the reason. You are catching up and not voting is justifiable. You are voting him because others are. Ew.